WHO ARE DENIED HEAVEN-ENTRY?

[Sudakar]

Good Morning!

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Outside of the prophet part of this, I consider all people...the child did not ask to be here.
This is that "strong families in God and His Christ" part that God instituted and we (mankind) missed
the mark.....



Agreed!


But you missed the 2 important spcriptures related back to "the family"


Prov 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise
Eph 6:3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

God Bless!

Luke19:10: "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost".

'Lost' means all adult humans did not believe in Jesus. Amid that state, Jesus says little children believe in Him. This proves all babies believe in Jesus.

 

[Sudakar]

No one can be called justified before believing in Jesus, no matter how good work it is.
After believing in Jesus, our previous actions were justified not according to good work, but according to faith.
But since we believe in Jesus, we should have good works that match our beliefs.

So you don't have any evil works?

 

[soberxp]

So you don't have any evil works?

I update myself every day.

 

[Sudakar]

Jesus doesn't "take" the wheel, so to speak. You have to give him the wheel, and it looks like this; Paul explains it better than me.

days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek
11We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
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1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
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You absolutely have the ability to take the wheel back and swerve into oncoming traffic. People do it all the time. Something happens to them, and they ignore the spirit that cries abba father- they try to take control and start walking in the flesh, and not in the spirit. Temptations and sin follow after that... and if you're in sin, you should feel conviction- it's a very bad sign if you don't.

If you have given the wheel to Jesus, why do you worry?

 

[Sudakar]

I update myself every day.

So you admit you have evil works? What you mean by updating?

 

[soberxp]

So you admit you have evil works? What you mean by updating?

If I say I have no evil thoughts, then the truth is not in me.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

 

[walknlight]

Hi Again!

If you are saved by grace through faith, why does the moral law still stand?

Ok..lets look at the moral law.

1 “I am the LORD your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.

2 “You shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my Commandments.

3 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

4 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labour, and do all your work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

5 “Honour your father and your mother: that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God giveth you.

6 “You shall not kill.

7 “You shall not commit adultery.

8 “You shall not steal.

9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.

10 “You shall not covet your neighbour's house, you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbour's.”

These are written in the hearts to those who believe God and the report of His Son.

Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

God Bless!

 

[walknlight]

Luke19:10: "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost".

'Lost' means all adult humans did not believe in Jesus. Amid that state, Jesus says little children believe in Him. This proves all babies believe in Jesus.

I do not disagree, yet cant agree, according to scripture.
The only reason is, Judas Iscariot.
I believe that the husband and wife should be the covering for the child(ren) until accountability age....
The child is still in sin flesh, yet still a child.

 

[walknlight]

I update myself every day.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[FreeGrace2]

1John3:20: "For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things".

The moment Adam and Eve chose the forbidden knowledge of good and evil, their heart started to condemn them & they fled from God.

Similarly, won't all humans who were also born without the knowledge of good and evil & have chosen it as they grew up, be condemned by their heart & lose heaven-entry unless they repent?

To answer the question of this thread: heaven-entry is denied to those who have not believed in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior.

To be clear, heaven-entry is denied all who are condemned.

Rom 8:1 - Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Original sin seems to pass the responsibility to Adam!

Though Romans 5 does show that Adam is the one who brought the sin nature to the human race, and passed on to all humans through their fathers, responsibility is on EVERY PERSON. No one can blame Adam for their sin, because everyone sins.

But the good news is that Jesus Christ died for the sins of everyone. With the "sin barrier" removed, each person is responsible for recognizing God as Creator and being thankful to Him.

Rom 1:19-20
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

 

[Blik]

So what is your interpretation? Jesus is the way. Jesus said that. Thst is not the theory of evangelicals.

To summarize that Jesus is the way we follow what Jesus told us to do about it.

Sin kills, this is scripture. Jesus forgives sin. Jesus takes us through this step by step, and the first and important step is to not want sin in our lives, to repent of all of it. When we do that, Jesus wipes sin out of our life, we are forgiven and saved.

A saved person has invited Christ to live within him, and that leads to many wonderful adventures like being baptized, or living with joy and peace.

 

[Sudakar]

To summarize that Jesus is the way we follow what Jesus told us to do about it.

Sin kills, this is scripture. Jesus forgives sin. Jesus takes us through this step by step, and the first and important step is to not want sin in our lives, to repent of all of it. When we do that, Jesus wipes sin out of our life, we are forgiven and saved.

A saved person has invited Christ to live within him, and that leads to many wonderful adventures like being baptized, or living with joy and peace.

Sin gains life after one chooses the forbidden moral law (Romans7:9: "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died").

That's why Jesus delivered us from the forbidden moral law through His sufferings & death.

 

[Sudakar]

Though Romans 5 does show that Adam is the one who brought the sin nature to the human race, and passed on to all humans through their fathers, responsibility is on EVERY PERSON. No one can blame Adam for their sin, because everyone sins.

But the good news is that Jesus Christ died for the sins of everyone. With the "sin barrier" removed, each person is responsible for recognizing God as Creator and being thankful to Him.

Rom 1:19-20
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

How did everyone sin? God created humans with faith in Jesus & without the knowledge of good and evil. But as they grow up they forsake believing in Jesus & choose the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Sudakar]

To answer the question of this thread: heaven-entry is denied to those who have not believed in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior.

To be clear, heaven-entry is denied all who are condemned.

Rom 8:1 - Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Believing in Jesus means believing that He has delivered us from the forbidden moral law by His perfect sacrifice (Romans7:6: "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held").

 

[Sudakar]

I do not disagree, yet cant agree, according to scripture.
The only reason is, Judas Iscariot.
I believe that the husband and wife should be the covering for the child(ren) until accountability age....
The child is still in sin flesh, yet still a child.

Humans believe in Jesus from birth but parents teach the forbidden knowledge of good and evil to children & lead them away from Jesus.

 

[Sudakar]

Hi Again!


Ok..lets look at the moral law.

1 “I am the LORD your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.

2 “You shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my Commandments.

3 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

4 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labour, and do all your work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

5 “Honour your father and your mother: that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God giveth you.

6 “You shall not kill.

7 “You shall not commit adultery.

8 “You shall not steal.

9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.

10 “You shall not covet your neighbour's house, you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbour's.”

These are written in the hearts to those who believe God and the report of His Son.

Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

God Bless!

That which is written in the hearts of believers is: Hebrew8:12:"For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more" as simply as Adam and Eve's iniquities were not remembered.

 

[Sudakar]

If I say I have no evil thoughts, then the truth is not in me.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

You said: 'we should have good works that match our beliefs'.

So you admit you don't have belief?

 

[soberxp]

You said: 'we should have good works that match our beliefs'.

So you admit you don't have belief?

2Timothy 2:23
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

 

[Sudakar]

2Timothy 2:23
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

It's circular.