Where did the fouls of the air come from? The waters or the Earth?
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You’re misquoting scripture like Satan did when he tempted Jesus to challenge God by jumping off a pinnacle. Whatever animals God brought to Adam, they already existed. God formed new ones simply for the purpose of having Adam to meet them, name them and having dominion over them, which is exactly the first commandment for mankind in Gen 1. Again, this was a test run, Adam must subdue Eden before he could go out and subdue the earth.
No, I'm not. You are misrepresenting scripture because it doesn't say what you claim it does.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
What's so hard to understand here? Adam is alone, no animals are there so God creates animals for him. This isn't rocket science.
Yes you are. Creation of Eden was NOT creation of the Universe. There was no man created before Adam. “Through Adam all have sinned”. What’s so hard to understand is that you’re so adamantly distorting the creation account just because it doesn’t suit your evilutionary view.
No I'm not and there is literally no one who believes Eden was creation of Universe. That's a strawman fallacy you have created.
Yes, there were.
You assume things about people you know NOTHING ABOUT. I reject Dawins theory of evolution so stop saying I believe in it. I'm just better at reading the bible than you are. I also know some Hebrew and know how to identify verb forms (like verb tenses) and is in imperfect form which means God is in fact making new animals for Adam right in front of Adam. You are like a student trying to correct a teacher. You are wrong!
Those animals were of existing species God made in Gen 1. Also, there are verses that support the conclusion that Adam was the first man, such as Romans 5:12, but there was no verse suggests that there was anybody created before Adam.
orm something from.o41, member: 276330"]No, I'm not. You are misrepresenting scripture because it doesn't say what you claim it does.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
What's so hard to understand here? Adam is alone, no animals are there so God creates animals for him. This isn't rocket science.[/QUOTE]
...and allow me to add...they were not made from water.........just as the land was not made from water.
God does not need something to form something from.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
What's so hard to understand here? Adam is alone, no animals are there so God creates animals for him. This isn't rocket science.[/QUOTE]
...and allow me to add...they were not made from water.........just as the land was not made from water.
God does not need something to form something from.
The verb form disagrees with you. The bible says God was creating animals right there in front of Adam.
That doesn't matter at all. You're simply ignoring the context. Gen 2 was about Eden, not the universe. God gave the first commandment for man in Gen 1:28 to rule over all living creatures, and Gen 2:19 was the fulfillment of that in a small scale. If you agree that Eden is NOT the whole world, then what's the problem of God creating the SAME SPECIES he created in Day 5 and Day 6 IN EDEN so that Adam could name them and had dominion over them? Actually Satan as the snake was among those animals, Adam couldn't rule over him, he ruled over Adam.
It does matter. Hebrew grammar is VERY important. It cannot be brushed away. The imperfect form means the creating of animals was actually happening at that moment. It would have to be in the perfect form (like our past tense in English) to mean what you are claiming. The truth and the language sides with me and against you.
Not in this case. Adam was the prototype for Christ, and Eve, as the "mother of all nations", was the prototype of the church. There was prophetic significance. There was no other human created before them.
Hardly. He has more in common with Lucifer, falling from grace and making people sinners.
Nope, she is more like the apostate church.
There were many people before them. Adam was merely the first of his kind, Adamites, modern humans who were farmers rather than the older peoples who were hunter gatherers.
... Adam, the son of God. Luke 3:38
The only reason you would say that and use terms like "hunter gatherers" is because the EVILutionary view is your default world view. Don't pretend that you're not.
Wasn't Cain a "tiller of the ground" while Abel a herdsman? Both were farmers in argricultural practice, neither of them was a "hunter gatherer". Ironically, Isralites in the wilderness were hunter gatherers - hunting quails and gathering manna, but not the first human family.
Further proving my point.
That's because they were traveling. You can't farm and travel.
No it doesn't, no bible verse suggests there were primitive "hunter gatherers".
No, that's because God was testing them. Shaping their identity. Bringing them out of Egypt is one thing, bringing egypt out of them is another.
Wrong.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
They were literally hunters and gatherers of seed and fruit and veges. Not a word about tilling ground because they weren't advanced enough to do that.
Wrong.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female created he them.
Those were referring Adam and Eve, not anybody else. First Adam, then Eve. They were all on a vegan diet until God changed that after the Flood. All "them" were referring to Adam and Eve, all mankind from them.
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Although I am a big fan of the KJV, I believe the translation may not be as clear as it could be...
Genesis 1:20
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
The consensus from almost all other translations show something like this...
Genesis 1:20
"And God said, Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
Even the Scholars and Commentators I have looked at agree that the birds were not made from the waters, but from the ground.
I am in favor of the ground as well, which the KJV seems to agree with in this verse...
Genesis 2:19
"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."
Now, as far as the order, that is another matter entirely. No one here has it correct, but some have come close.
