WHO ARE DENIED HEAVEN-ENTRY?

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Blik

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Genesis 3:11: "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

"Fruit" refers to the knowledge of good & evil. Does a fruit tell you, you are morally guilty?
We are back to schripture telling us not to eat the knowledge of good and evil, and to eat is very different from the idea of not to know of good and evil.
 

Magenta

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You come in circles & haven't quoted a single verse about babies not having faith in Jesus.
There is no verse saying all babies are born with faith in Jesus. You made the claim, it is up to
you to prove it. So far all you have done is lied and twisted Scripture to fit your false narrative.
 

Magenta

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"These little ones believe in Me" in Mathew18:6 proves all babies believe in Jesus.
Mathew 18:6 does not say all babies believe in Jesus. You lie.

Mathew18:6: "these little ones which believe in me". Jesus says humans believe in Him from birth.
Jesus did not say all babies believe in Him from birth. You lie.

All babies believe in Jesus & also free from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. This is biblical truth.
Scripture does not anywhere say all babies believe in Jesus from birth. You spread lies.
 
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Mathew 18:6 does not say all babies believe in Jesus. You lie.

Jesus did not say all babies believe in Him from birth. You lie.

Scripture does not anywhere say all babies believe in Jesus from birth. You spread lies.
Mathew 18:5: "And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me".

'One such little child' refers to any child & all little children. It is in this background that Jesus says 'one of these little ones which believe in me (Mathew18:6)' to refer to all little children.

This is clear proof Jesus says all little children believe in Him.

So reply rather than accuse.
 
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We are back to schripture telling us not to eat the knowledge of good and evil, and to eat is very different from the idea of not to know of good and evil.
You say so because you believe you are justified before God by fulfilling the moral law.
 

Evmur

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Are you justified before God by fulfilling the moral law?
Is that how you understand Romans 2. 14 - 16?
For when the Gentiles which have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law, these having not the law are a law unto themselves.
Which shew that the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness and their thoughts the meanwhile accusing or else excusing one another in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Their justification comes from having the work of the law written in their hearts as shown by their works.

... you have been made to consider this scripture and not just pass over it.
 

Blik

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You say so because you believe you are justified before God by fulfilling the moral law.
Why are you making statements that does not agree with scripture and then falsely accuse me of believing what isn't of God?

God is clear about how we are to handle the law. We are to repent of sin.
 
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Why are you making statements that does not agree with scripture and then falsely accuse me of believing what isn't of God?

God is clear about how we are to handle the law. We are to repent of sin.
Are you saying you are justified before God by fulfilling the moral law or by faith Jesus has fulfilled the moral law on our behalf?

If you are justified by faith in Christ's fulfillment of the moral law on our behalf, why do you need the moral law?
 
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Is that how you understand Romans 2. 14 - 16?
For when the Gentiles which have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law, these having not the law are a law unto themselves.
Which shew that the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness and their thoughts the meanwhile accusing or else excusing one another in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Their justification comes from having the work of the law written in their hearts as shown by their works.

... you have been made to consider this scripture and not just pass over it.
So do you mean to say you are justified before God by fulfilling the moral law? Clarify your position.
 

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Mathew 18:5: "And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me".

'One such little child' refers to any child & all little children. It is in this background that Jesus says 'one of these little ones which believe in me (Mathew18:6)' to refer to all little children.

This is clear proof Jesus says all little children believe in Him.

So reply rather than accuse.
I think Jesus was talking about the innocence of little children Sudakar nothing more. Jesus wants us to be without blemish, innocent, not thinking of sin AND HAVE A PURE HEART. Do you not remember the innocence of children?

Jesus will be the judge of who enters paradise.

Blessings,

JF
 
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I think Jesus was talking about the innocence of little children Sudakar nothing more. Jesus wants us to be without blemish, innocent, not thinking of sin AND HAVE A PURE HEART. Do you not remember the innocence of children?

Jesus will be the judge of who enters paradise.

Blessings,

JF
So God made a mistake by creating most babies without faith in Jesus while creating only some babies with faith in Jesus? Was God partial?
 

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So do you mean to say you are justified before God by fulfilling the moral law? Clarify your position.
Well you say scriptures do not raise questions, do not need explanation. What does Romans 2. 14 - 16 say to you? it is very plain. The problem is it doesn't fit in with your doctrine or for that matter the doctrines concerning the last judgement generally taught by evangelicals.

You have it all nicely worked out pat, the sheep are the church, they's saved, the goats are everybody else they's damned.

I don't think so.

What you believe is what the church has taught since earliest times. But it has always stuck in the throat of anybody out winning souls. Because ...

Because it condemns BILLIONS of human souls to hell who never once heard the gospel. That cannot be right, and it isn't.

Romans 2. 14 - 16. is one good scripture that says so. .... there are others.
 
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Well you say scriptures do not raise questions, do not need explanation. What does Romans 2. 14 - 16 say to you? it is very plain. The problem is it doesn't fit in with your doctrine or for that matter the doctrines concerning the last judgement generally taught by evangelicals.

You have it all nicely worked out pat, the sheep are the church, they's saved, the goats are everybody else they's damned.

I don't think so.

What you believe is what the church has taught since earliest times. But it has always stuck in the throat of anybody out winning souls. Because ...

Because it condemns BILLIONS of human souls to hell who never once heard the gospel. That cannot be right, and it isn't.

Romans 2. 14 - 16. is one good scripture that says so. .... there are others.
Romans2:14-16 implies moral law was chosen by all humans from Eve & none can escape condemnation without believing in Jesus who delivered us from the moral law according to Romans7:4,6.

Rom 1: 20:For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 

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John 3: 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Does not get any simpler than this. Don't read to much into things.. Just take the word as it is written.
 

posthuman

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Mark10:15: "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein". Jesus refers to all babies.
Your interpretation of this does not jive with Psalms 58:3

"The wicked are estranged from the womb;
They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies."