Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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I'll take OSAS, the doctrine of unconditional election, Calvinism, and whatever else you have, put them in a pile, get into my bulldozer, and push them off the cliff into the sea.
I am my Beloved's and He is mine...I don't see anything to argue about. Though I'm sure someone else will!
I am on the road...to my home...in the New Jerusalem. And nobody's gonna stop me. Hallelujah!
 
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Duckybill said:
Amen! And that disproves OSAS!
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It would

Sadly for you. We are told God will NEVER FORSAKE US.

Where can we go that God is not there., As the psalmist says. wherever I go, there you are.

You think you can run from God??

Salvation is on God. not on you or I. If God fails to complete what he started. thats on him.
 
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rogerg said:
Wait - I don't understand, what's wrong with OSAS, isn't OSAS a good thing?
Duckybill said:
OSAS is a license to sin and still be Christian, issued by Satan.
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How silly. And totally unbiblical.

First, no one needs a "license to sin". The freedom to sin comes with your human nature. In fact, Paul directly addressed the issue of who the believer will obey: either sin or righteousness. Rom 6.

Second, there is NOTHING in the world that can make a Christian an unChristian.

You need to check your sources and get rid of them. Stay with the Bible and you won't go wrong.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Trying to move the goalposts?? I never said that people can't forsake God.
Duckybill said:
Amen! And that disproves OSAS!
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Well, let's see what the Bible says about your opinions.

First, an example. We have Chuck Templeton, a world class evangelist who mentored Billy Graham when he started out. But he couldn't reconcile a problem that he thought he found in the Bible and left the faith, and died an atheist. OK?

Now, what does the Bible say?

John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

I would like you to focus on the bolded words, which occur in both verses: "have not believed".

That is who will be condemned at the GWT. Those who "have not believed".

Now, you may try to argue that Chuck Templeton was a fraud, a phony, and never believed what he preached. Really?? A man who dedicated his life to preaching the gospel, training and mentoring Billy Graham and leading thousands to Christ.

Why would anyone do that? It really stretches the imagination to even sugget such nonsense.

So, the 2 verses above teach that condemnation is for those who NEVER BELIEVED.

Without a doubt, Chuck T did believe. Then he changed his mind later on. It happens. But because he DID believe at one time, Jesus taught that those who believe POSSESS eternal life in John 5:24. Then He taught that those given eternal life (believers) shall never perish.

So, prepare to meet Chuck T in heaven after you die.
 
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Duckybill said:
Don't you know that Christianity is a "works" religion? What kind of cult are you in?
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Wow. EVERY religion in history is a "works religion". Christian is the sole exception to religion. In fact, Christianity is NOT a religion.

It is a relationship with God, the Creator of the universe, through His Son, by means of faith.

What kind of cult are you in?
 
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Oblio said:
I'll take OSAS, the doctrine of unconditional election, Calvinism, and whatever else you have, put them in a pile, get into my bulldozer, and push them off the cliff into the sea.
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Then your Bible must be in that pile as well.

I certainly don't agree with either Calvinism or Arminianism, but eternal security was taught directly and clearly by Jesus Himself. So being anti-eternal security is rejecting what Jesus taught.
 
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Duckybill said:
That's great, if you ignore MANY Scriptures!



Written to Christians:


Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
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nope.. written to a church. Not everyone in a church is saved,

These people had grace in their hands, and let it go before they acted on it. They went to their first and real love and what they had faith in, the law.
 
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Oblio said:
I'll take OSAS, the doctrine of unconditional election, Calvinism, and whatever else you have, put them in a pile, get into my bulldozer, and push them off the cliff into the sea.
I am my Beloved's and He is mine...I don't see anything to argue about. Though I'm sure someone else will!
I am on the road...to my home...in the New Jerusalem. And nobody's gonna stop me. Hallelujah!
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this looks like OSAS to me,

Unless your doing the driving. In which case, You better let Jesus take the wheel
 
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Oblio said:
You'd better pay attention to your own driving so you don't go into the ditch.
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Jesus has the wheel of my car.

He who began a good work will complete it until the day.. I may try to take control and put myself in danger. But I have no fear. Because Jesus always is there to correct me.

Its sad you do not have that assurance, if that is true
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Jesus has the wheel of my car.

He who began a good work will complete it until the day.. I may try to take control and put myself in danger. But I have no fear. Because Jesus always is there to correct me.

Its sad you do not have that assurance, if that is true
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I died, He lives
And dwells inside of me
I am finally assured
Of eternity
He never left my side
Not even when I died
He was with me in the dark
Right by my side
Faithful is His name. -oblio

He said to me (He actually did) "I will never leave you nor forsake you"
I believe Him.
I don't know what you're talking about...
 
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Oblio said:
I died, He lives
And dwells inside of me
I am finally assured
Of eternity
He never left my side
Not even when I died
He was with me in the dark
Right by my side
Faithful is His name. -oblio

He said to me (He actually did) "I will never leave you nor forsake you"
I believe Him.
I don't know what you're talking about...
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then like I said.

this sounds like OSAS to me.

so why would you say you will bulldoze it as if it is trash.

That makes no sense to me
 
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Because I have no time for the doctrines of men...nor the 40,000 denominations.
'that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me." - John 17:21
I'm not OSAS, I'm not this, I'm not that
I am what I am, a child of the great I Am
By the blood of the Lamb, the Lamb who was slain
I'm precious in His sight, the apple of His eye
I am fearfully and wonderfully made -oblio

I don't need to be anything else.

I've always been His...I was His before I was in the womb.
I was His when He pierced my heart with John 3:16
I was His when I turned away from Him
I was His when, in desperation, I turned back to Him
I was His when he revealed His great love for me to me
I was His when I died in the hospital and gazed into His eyes in the New Jerusalem
I am His as I spend my latter years afflicted and friendless
I will be His when my time here is complete

I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever

He is faithful...to me! Hallelujah!
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
It would appear that Calvinism teaches that some "deserve" salvation while other "deserve" damnation. See the Westminster Confession of Faith.
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I don't know about the Westminster Confession, but biblically speaking, your doctrine is wrong. No one deserves salvation. That anyone receives it is only because God in His mercy has chosen some to it and justified them through Christ.
 
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Oblio said:
Because I have no time for the doctrines of men...nor the 40,000 denominations.
'that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me." - John 17:21
I'm not OSAS, I'm not this, I'm not that
I am what I am, a child of the great I Am
By the blood of the Lamb, the Lamb who was slain
I'm precious in His sight, the apple of His eye
I am fearfully and wonderfully made -oblio
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Is your salvation secure? yes or no. Your posts aren't clear.
 
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rogerg said:
I don't know about the Westminster Confession, but biblically speaking, your doctrine is wrong. No one deserves salvation. That anyone receives it is only because God in His mercy has chosen some to it and justified them through Christ.
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Kinda backwards there.

God's grace offers salvation to everyone. Titus 2:11
God is pleased to save those who believe. 1 Cor 1:21
Man is justified by faith. Rom 5:1

Election isn't about salvation, but about service. Even the unbeliever Judas was chosen for service. John 6:70,71 The nation of Israel was chosen for service.
 
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