Did Jesus died on Good Friday and rise Sunday, first day of the week?

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ewq1938

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Two sabbath days in one week is not mentioned by the gospel authors.
It is mentioned. Thursday was a high Sabbath, the regular Sabbath is not called that.

At least mine has three days and nights, yours has two nights and thus is incompatible with scripture.
 
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Correct. He died on Wednesday close to the start of the next day. That Thursday was a High Sabbath separate from the "low" or common weekly Sabbath on Saturday. That had to get him in the tomb at a precise time so that first day could count to the full three days and nights.
Wrong. That high sabbath was on FRIDAY, not Thursday. Thursday was Passover, the day of crucifixion. Palm Sunday was Nissan 10, lamb selection day; Passover was Nissan 14, the FIFTH day of the week, not the fourth day. Everything took place in the passion week was strictly on God's schedule, their timing was precise. Scripture never said three FULL days and nights, only three days and nights. He was dead there for three nights, then risen at the beginning of the third day, fulfilling the Scripture.

Why don't you read Matt. 27:62-64 carefully? In 27:62 it specifically said "On the NEXT day, which followed the Day of Preparation", that was the "high sabbath" after crucifixion day. Then "after three days" in 27:63 was counting from crucifixion on Thursday as the first day, whereas in 27:64, "until the third day" was counting from Friday as the first day. The purpose is to reconcile all these different records, not picking one as your favorite and using it to beat others like a club.
 

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Wrong. That high sabbath was on FRIDAY, not Thursday. Thursday was Passover, the day of crucifixion. Palm Sunday was Nissan 10, lamb selection day; Passover was Nissan 14, the FIFTH day of the week, not the fourth day. Everything took place in the passion week was strictly on God's schedule, their timing was precise. Scripture never said three FULL days and nights, only three days and nights. He was dead there for three nights, then risen at the beginning of the third day, fulfilling the Scripture.

Why don't you read Matt. 27:62-64 carefully? In 27:62 it specifically said "On the NEXT day, which followed the Day of Preparation", that was the "high sabbath" after crucifixion day. Then "after three days" in 27:63 was counting from crucifixion on Thursday as the first day, whereas in 27:64, "until the third day" was counting from Friday as the first day. The purpose is to reconcile all these different records, not picking one as your favorite and using it to beat others like a club.

remember, the center of some people's theology is Sabbath keeping.

they just use Jesus and the Resurrection to point to the Sabbath, not the other way around.
 

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Wrong. That high sabbath was on FRIDAY, not Thursday. Thursday was Passover, the day of crucifixion.
They did not crucify on a Passover. Your entire view of this is all wrong. He was arrested late Tuesday, tried and crucified and died on Wednesday, in the grave when it turned thursday, and in Friday and Saturday where we get the full three days and nights rising on both the third day and after three days as per ALL the various scriptures.
 
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They did not crucify on a Passover. Your entire view of this is all wrong. He was arrested late Tuesday, tried and crucified and died on Wednesday, in the grave when it turned thursday, and in Friday and Saturday where we get the full three days and nights rising on both the third day and after three days as per ALL the various scriptures.
Was Jesus the Passover Lamb or not? Per various scriptures He was the passover lamb, he MUST be crucified on passover whatsoever.
 

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Was Jesus the Passover Lamb or not? Per various scriptures He was the passover lamb, he MUST be crucified on passover whatsoever.

He ate the Passover in the last supper proving he did not die on Passover.
 

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That's correct, Magenta. The first day of Unleavened Bread is not called a Sabbath day in Leviticus 23. No mention of a Sabbath, or even a preparation day for that Sabbath. No mention of a complete rest either. Stick with the text and you cannot go wrong.

Incorrect again, Magenta.

The only reason that the Sabbath is called a high day is because the first day of U.B, occurred on that Sabbath day.

The text states that Jesus was crucified and entombed on the preparation day.

"Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath"

Notice please, that John simply says, "the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath".

John does not say, the bodies would not remain on the cross on the first day of U.B.

John makes no mention of a mid-week sabbath.

Nor does John state that there were two sabbaths that week.

There is nothing in any of the gospels to support your idea.

Not one gospel author says anything about a midweek sabbath or two sabbath days.

Do you find it odd, that no author mentions these two sabbath days?

Your building your case on a misunderstanding of John 19:31.

Your interpretation cannot be supported from the scripture.
No mention of complete rest? No customary work was to be done. The same language used for the regular weekly Sabbaths (Leviticus 23:3) was used in relation to high holy days, using two particular phrases: "Holy convocation" (Exodus 12:16; Leviticus 23:24; 23:35-36; Numbers 28:18), and "you shall do no servile work" (Exodus 12:16; Leviticus 16:29; 23:25; 23:35-36; Numbers 28:18). Any straightforward reading of Scripture will reveal this plainly in the text. I am not sure how "that Sabbath was a high day" can be taken to mean work was allowed when the word Sabbath itself means rest.
 
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He ate the Passover in the last supper proving he did not die on Passover.
Biblical day starts on 6:00 pm instead of 0:00 am. If that supper took place after 6:00 pm, then that was technically Passover. Then arrest and trial in the 12 hours of night time, crucifixion and burial in the 12 hours of day time.
 

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Biblical day starts on 6:00 pm instead of 0:00 am. If that supper took place after 6:00 pm, then that was technically Passover. Then arrest and trial in the 12 hours of night time, crucifixion and burial in the 12 hours of day time.

And he was not on the cross yet at 6pm:

Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
Joh 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
Joh 19:16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
Joh 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

So this is after 6pm meaning it was next day officially. It took Christ a long time to get that cross to where he would be crucified. So he is Lamb but he did not die on Passover, but certainly close to it.
 
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And he was not on the cross yet at 6pm:

Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
Joh 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
Joh 19:16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
Joh 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

So this is after 6pm meaning it was next day officially. It took Christ a long time to get that cross to where he would be crucified. So he is Lamb but he did not die on Passover, but certainly close to it.
In the same chapter, John 19:31 also says that was the Preparation Day of Sabbath, how do you explain that? "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day) ..." That's because Passover was simply lumped together with the following week of Unleavened Bread. In Leviticus 23:6-8, the first day of Unleavened Bread on Nissan 15 was that high sabbath, it was instructed that no customary work should be done on that day. It didn't say that no customary work should be done on Passover.
 
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And he was not on the cross yet at 6pm:

Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
Joh 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
Joh 19:16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
Joh 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

So this is after 6pm meaning it was next day officially. It took Christ a long time to get that cross to where he would be crucified. So he is Lamb but he did not die on Passover, but certainly close to it.
And in John 19:14, that "preparation of the passover" doesn't mean preparation for the next day of Passover, it was referring to the preparation for the ritual of passover sacrifice of the selected lamb without blemish, which typically took place at evening, known as "evening sacrifice".
 

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In the same chapter, John 19:31 also says that was the Preparation Day of Sabbath, how do you explain that?

I already said there two Sabbaths that week, one on Thursday and one on Saturday. He died late Wednesday and was buried right before it turned to the Thursday Sabbath. Three days and nights later, it was Early Sunday which to us is night of a Saturday.
 
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I already said there two Sabbaths that week, one on Thursday and one on Saturday. He died late Wednesday and was buried right before it turned to the Thursday Sabbath. Three days and nights later, it was Early Sunday which to us is night of a Saturday.
And I already said that high Sabbath was on Friday, not Thursday, unless it was palm saturday in the previous week instead of palm sunday in the passion week.
 
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The Friday, Saturday Sunday theory will never be true because it doesn't have a enough nights. It's an old error probably from the RCC.
There is no high Sabbath in RCC, they mistake good Friday for the Preparation day and the day of crucifixion.
 

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Your trying to create division within the church.

That is a dangerous pursuit to undertake.

You lack the hard evidence from the scripture to support your sabbath resurrection.

You also lack the witness of the disciples for a sabbath resurrection.

Finally, you also lack the tradition of the early church.

Jesus rose on the third day and not after the third day.

Not one verse states that Jesus rose on the Jewish sabbath day.

Both the Passover and the first day of Unleavened Bread are not even called sabbaths in Leviticus 23.

None of the gospels mention that there were two sabbath days in the week, when Jesus was crucified.

You have nothing to work with, an empty tool box, no evidence, but a figure of speech in Matthew 12:40.

I am not under the law and the sabbath day is meaningless to me, the sabbath day is merely a shadow of the rest we have in Christ.

Your interpretation of the scripture is erroneous and dangerous.

Jesus was crucified and buried on the preparation day (Friday) for the sabbath (Saturday).

Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, Jesus rose on the third day!

The scripture is solid on this chronology.
Well, it's knowledge and understanding is what you lack, and that comes in time. One should take note, that what the majority of modern day Christians practice or follow come directly from the Roman Catholic Church. You had non spiritual people trying to decipher events that were spiritual. Since the scriptures stated, that the preparation day, was the day before the Sabbath, they automatically assumed this event took place on a Friday, because they knew the Lord's Sabbath was from Friday evening to Saturday evening. That is how they came up with the concept that Jesus died on Friday and He rose early Sunday morning. What they failed to take into account were the Lord's Holy Days or as they are also called High Sabbaths. There are seven yearly Sabbaths, and they, with the exception of Pentecost, can fall on any day of the week.

At the beginning of this lesson, it was explained in Leviticus (23:4) that the Passover which is the 14th of the month, is the day before the feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a Holy Day or A High Sabbath. The Passover is sometimes referred as the preparation day because they used this day to prepare for the feast. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the Sabbath which was being refereed to in Mark 15:42) when it was stated that Joseph craved the body of Jesus. Jesus had been crucified on the Passover and the next day was the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus foretold when His death would occur. Also by Jesus being the Passover himself, Jesus had to come off the cross because, Sundown bring in the feast of unleavened Bread. Let’s take a look and see in John 19: 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

(Matthew 26:1) And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, (2) Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Now remember God's days start at evening and end the next evening. Keep that in mind as you view the next set of scriptures. Jesus had been betrayed by Judas the evening of the Passover. John 13 tells how Jesus and His disciples, that evening, were sharing the Passover meal. John (18:3) shows that same evening; Jesus was betrayed and taken away. It was still nighttime when they took Jesus, because the men that came and took and bound Him had lanterns and torches.

Jesus was crucified the next day but it was still the Passover. Remember God's days run from sundown to sundown. Jesus had been taken into custody the night of the Passover and the next morning which is the day of the Passover, He was condemned and crucified. So Jesus would Have been in the Grave Wednesday night, Thursday daytime and Thursday night, Friday daytime, Friday night, Saturday daytime and Jesus rose right before the sun went down on Saturday. Hence one has the 3 days and 3 nights which Jesus prophesied.

His death Wednesday night is consistent with the comment of the prophet Daniel, stating the Messiah would be cut off (killed) in the midst of the week.
 

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Mary arrived at the tomb at sunrise on Sunday morning. That is 12 hours after Sunday had started. The guards were frozen in terror when Mary arrived. I can assure you that the guards were not frozen in terror for 12 hours or more. Jesus must have risen just before sunrise.

Jesus was never witnessed to have risen before Sunday. That is the crucial point. That is what you blatantly choose to ignore. We are bound by the witness of the disciples. Once again, the exact time of the resurrection is unknown.

You need a verse that states that Jesus had risen after the third day. I have thirteen that state that Jesus had risen on the third day, not after the third day. Your attempt at getting Jesus risen after the third day is based on a figure of speech.

It is really that simple, Jesus rose on the third day, fact!

That's good that Mary arrive at that time because it still prove Jesus was gone before she came and in (John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

So in John 20, it further gives us more understanding on the condition of the day, because it was still dark. Even at this time Jesus was gone already. Because the day starts in the evening, not the morning.
 

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How could you claim Jesus had ascended to the father when Jesus clearly said that I am NOT YET ascended to my father? Paul talked about Jesus as the First Fruit because He rose on First Fruit, which was sunday. He fulfilled Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruit, then the Church fulfilled Pentecost, and the second coming will fulfill the last three fall feasts. Yes, he couldn't rise on any day, He must rise on sunday, not just because that was first fruit, but also because that was the third day counting from the day after crucifixion - Friday, Saturday, then Sunday morning.

The point I made was Jesus hadn't ascended yet, that's why he told Mary not to touch him. I post the verse to prove that didn't I. Jesus didn't rise on Sunday according to scriptures the prophet Daniel.