WHO ARE DENIED HEAVEN-ENTRY?

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1John3:20: "For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things".

The moment Adam and Eve chose the forbidden knowledge of good and evil, their heart started to condemn them & they fled from God.

Similarly, won't all humans who were also born without the knowledge of good and evil & have chosen it as they grew up, be condemned by their heart & lose heaven-entry unless they repent?
 
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Original sin seems to pass the responsibility to Adam!
 
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Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

I think we know good and evil as well as Adam and Eve, and we all have a sense of shame.

I don't know who can't go to heaven.
Pls pray for all can be saved.
All is all, No matter who he is, how bad it is.
 
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soberxp said:
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

I think we know good and evil as well as Adam and Eve, and we all have a sense of shame.

I don't know who can't go to heaven.
Pls pray for all can be saved.
All is all, No matter who he is, how bad it is.
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Personally, I woul like to see this kind of witnessing from all who believe Jesus Yeshua. God bless you, and continue with your love for all in Jesus, amen.
 
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The understanding of good and evil has changed since we have the cognitive ability.

As God said, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Just like in the Cold War era, the Soviet Union believed that the United States was evil, and the United States believed that the Soviet Union was evil. The result of distinguishing good from evil may be the world war, which means the death.

So Jesus said: no one is good but God.
Only by knowing God， we can know what is good, because God is good

1 cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
 
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soberxp said:
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

I think we know good and evil as well as Adam and Eve, and we all have a sense of shame.

I don't know who can't go to heaven.
Pls pray for all can be saved.
All is all, No matter who he is, how bad it is.
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Babies do not have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. All babies believe in Jesus. As they grow up they forsake Jesus & choose the forbidden knowledge of good & evil & are thus separated from God to end up in hell.
 
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Sudakar said:
Babies do not have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. All babies believe in Jesus. As they grow up they forsake Jesus & choose the forbidden knowledge of good & evil & are thus separated from God to end up in hell.
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Nothing in the Bible comes anywhere near to suggesting that.
 
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Sudakar said:
Babies do not have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. All babies believe in Jesus. As they grow up they forsake Jesus & choose the forbidden knowledge of good & evil & are thus separated from God to end up in hell.
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Why do you understand as this?
I think I can understand it from your perspective, but I still want to know your thinking process and basis.
 
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Magenta said:
Nor have you proven it relates to all babies. Try again!
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Mark10:15: "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein".
Jesus refers to all babies in the context.
 
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Magenta said:
Nor have you proven it relates to all babies. Try again!
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Mark10:15: "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein". Jesus refers to all babies.
 
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Sudakar said:
1John3:20: "For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things".

The moment Adam and Eve chose the forbidden knowledge of good and evil, their heart started to condemn them & they fled from God.

Similarly, won't all humans who were also born without the knowledge of good and evil & have chosen it as they grew up, be condemned by their heart & lose heaven-entry unless they repent?
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Yes they fled and hid BUT....

.... But God called them back to face their sin. God passed judgement but He gave them hope of a Saviour.

I believe fervently it is wrong for us to pre judge people. I don't believe it right for us to tell any man or woman they are going to hell. Warn them of the judgement to come, warn them that the wicked will face eternal punishment but it is Christ who will judge.

He will judge with perfect fairness.
 
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Those who reject the Atonement of The LORD Jesus Christ will not enter the eternal kingdom of God..
 
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Evmur said:
Yes they fled and hid BUT....

.... But God called them back to face their sin. God passed judgement but He gave them hope of a Saviour.

I believe fervently it is wrong for us to pre judge people. I don't believe it right for us to tell any man or woman they are going to hell. Warn them of the judgement to come, warn them that the wicked will face eternal punishment but it is Christ who will judge.

He will judge with perfect fairness.
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God states the criteria for His judgement. It's not arbitrary.
Genesis 2:17: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die".
 
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Those who reject the Atonement of The LORD Jesus Christ will not enter the eternal kingdom of God..
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Purpose of atonement includes deliverance from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. Romans7:4,6.
 
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Sudakar said:
Mark10:15: "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein".
Jesus refers to all babies in the context.
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No Jesus does not say anything there about all babies. He is speaking in fact of our attitude
being as little children, and has nothing to do with the spiritual condition of babies at birth.
 
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Sudakar said:
God states the criteria for His judgement. It's not arbitrary.
Genesis 2:17: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die".
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Yes that is the law ... but there has been an atonement made, A Saviour has come.

What do you make of the scripture anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward and again if anyone shall give a cup of water to one of these little ones who believe in Me shall not lose their reward.
 
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