Why are we quiet

[EyeWitness]

One of the best ways to speak out is to stop giving the clergy money.

When the money is gone, they will be gone. I would like to see all of the clergy loose their teaching job.

Perhaps then the Church could move forward with growing in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord.

If you will to give money, look first to your own family. Then look out to others in the Church. Give to those truly in need. Stop giving money to the Clergy.

 

[Snacks]

Reformed church in my town had a traditional style pastor and 125 active members. A radical leftist pastor was installed and the church swelled to 400 active members.

The pastor is a fascist demagogue and his new flock aren’t Christian, they’re humanist progressive democrats who love hearing their party policies from behind the pulpit.

I voice my opinion against radical leftists in my town but I’m swimming against a strong, well organized, ungodly current.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I do believe that the church is not doing it's job on either. The church is more worried about butting people in the seats and passing the plate than Gods word and they are not speaking out against what is happing in our world today.

The Holy Spirit has shown me that I should take Matthew 15:14 to heart: "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind."

It's time to stop hoping for the establishment groups to change and start forging a new way without them. I've stopped looking for a group and started looking for like-minded people to fellowship with outside of the mainstream.

 

[ResidentAlien]

One of the best ways to speak out is to stop giving the clergy money.

When the money is gone, they will be gone. I would like to see all of the clergy loose their teaching job.

Perhaps then the Church could move forward with growing in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord.

If you will to give money, look first to your own family. Then look out to others in the Church. Give to those truly in need. Stop giving money to the Clergy.

Excellent points.

 

[kenallen]

Christians excel at saying "sexual immorality is bad", I think where there is room for improvement, how we promote chastity. Feminists have been very good at twisting chastity into a religious philosophy that has cause women to have "internalized mysogyny", and other supposedly malicious things. (this is because in general women use sexual immorality as "empowerment" in the same way men use physical force- but sexual immorality is typically not perceived as "violent", because the wake of destruction it leaves behind is somehow attributed to other things). But, I can say with certainty; the reality is that chastity is far more valuable than promiscuity, and that goes for both women and men. The question; why do people not perceive it this way?

I'm also not sure why in America, we insist on wearing the Fig Leaf, when the tunic is better. We'd be better off naked than with the fig leaf. I acknowledge that no amount of exterior modesty is sufficient to prevent and eliminate sexual immorality- but I'll never be foolish enough to believe that modesty does not have a minimizing effect on sexual attraction that brings it into a more refined and controlled course that would at least cause a reduction in sexual immorality overall. And honestly people are far more attractive in a general sense when they appeal to modesty, while sex appeal is cheap and exists everywhere. That's not shaming, it's stating facts.

From my perspective, biblical marital relations and order have nearly collapsed entirely; causing parenting to be delegated to the State. Now the State is failing to correctly fill a role that it was never ordained to fill in the first place. Without starting a debate on what the proper relationship is between a husband and wife, and the proper training of children- I will simply say that it is in the bible, and that we need to get there, and that it is the only correct solution. AND that we need to take a stand on it- and not bend to corporate or state incentives that would give the temporary rewards of error in exchange for our deviation from the truth.

What we can do- essentially what the church's role is- is provide the correct answer and facilitate change for the people that want it. I doubt we will change people by wresting control of the government and trying to force things.- and in a democracy/republic it would be temporary and ineffectual. The Lord himself deals with powers and authorities at his own discretion, and while we sometimes might play a role in that process, our main responsibility is to persuade men. Men can be persuaded by words- but more persuasive is a demonstration of power. So how is the power of God, and the kingdom of heaven manifested, and demonstrated by us towards men?

I agree with you and in my post I should have been a little more pointed. The church needs to stand up but the point I was real trying to get to is the fact that most of the churches don't teach Gods word if they did they would be standing up against this. They would also have a fire within for the word rightly tought not some nice sermon that does not teach or challenge the people. The meat of Gods word is just not tought enough and this is the symptom of it.
Amos 8:11-13. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
13In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
We are seeing this prophecy play out right in front of our eyes and yet the churches are full of people that set there and shout Amen.
Then they go home and worship there fishing boat, football games Ect. what ever it is that they put before God.

 

[kenallen]

Excellent points.

Amen and Amen

 

[JAPOV]

Let's not give sexuality too much credit for the fall of civilization... Aberrant/irresponsible sexual activity is just a symptom of a bigger problem. When, by law, children don't have to "identify" as the gender God gave them, then the problem is obviously those who write the laws; promoting lawlessness and negating God given common sense!

I believe that Christians should be marching in the streets!; Instead of the usual "minority interest" rabble. The fact that minorities have a voice among the majority in America is a testament to the fundamental Christian principles our constitution is founded upon. However, when the government itself politicizes minority interests to sway public opinion and gain power, convoluting the law so that it does not apply universally to everyone, then it's obvious that the government no longer fairly reflects the will of the people. Christianity still represents the majority in America, if not... America is doomed.

 

[kenallen]

Hi Ken,

Hope this `Big Overview` is helpful.

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Marilyn I have some Questions about your time line. The nations yes they have been her and always will be here God said they were good very good on the 6th day.
Israel do you take that to mean the 12 tribes or just Juda and Benjerman which make up the house of Juda which were in Jerusalem when Jesus was alive and resettled the land in 1948.
Israel ruling in the millennium; You are going to have to show scripture because the millennium or The Day of the Lord.
These are not my words these are the words given to John while he was in the spirit on the Lords Day.
Revelation 20.
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
verse 1, And I (John) saw. This is the vision that God gave him while he was in the spirit on the first day of The Day of The Lord. He was on longer on the island in 94 AD He "his spirit body" was with God being given this wonderful Revelation.
What does verse 4 say "I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them[we will find out more about this judgment later] Verse 5. The rest of the dead [that is spiritually dead flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God. that is why John was taken in the spirit] And they lived not again untill the 1,000 years was finished. [ they are spiritually dead meaning they have a mortal soul that is libel to die] This is the FIRST resurrection. Verse 6. Blessed and holy is he [Who is the he. those spoken of in verse 4] That hath part in the first resurrection [ again first resurrection there is no rapture] but they shall be priests of God and of Christ a thousand years. [What is the job of a priest of God and of Christ? To teach. That is what is going to happen during the thousand years those that make the first resurrection those with immortal will teach those with mortal souls. Again space prohibits but if you want later we can go into this] I hope this helps you under where I am coming from

 

[Edify]

The bombers are flying...it's a fact.
I remember the intense prayer leading up to the 2016 election. During the midterms, people talked of a red wave and took it easy. We lost. Leading up to 2020, enough of the church hated Trump and voted for Biden. They were offended.
Much of the church was lackadaisical, thinking Trump did such a good job and combined with Biden's complete lack of campaigning and obvious ineptitude, it was certain Trump would get in. The left broke all the rules and got away with it (lack of earnest intercession?)
Now we are on the verge of an armed conflict with Russia, and the powers-that-be are hellbent on escalating things.
We are on the road to a nuclear nightmare and all people can do is argue about it. At least that's how I see it.

Strongly disagree on the election. We didn't lose, it was stolen. Individual states are slowly realizing that. That's why the state election laws are changing.
I can only hope John Durham can get to the bottom of it befoer he's killed or replaced.
Think about the prophecies concerning the nation coming from the North against Israel. That nation will have to be very powerful when it fights against Israel. It would seem that Russia would have to win this war to be that.

 

[Oblio]

Strongly disagree on the election. We didn't lose, it was stolen. Individual states are slowly realizing that. That's why the state election laws are changing.
I can only hope John Durham can get to the bottom of it befoer he's killed or replaced.
Think about the prophecies concerning the nation coming from the North against Israel. That nation will have to be very powerful when it fights against Israel. It would seem that Russia would have to win this war to be that.

Yes, it was stolen. Between the dark powers that enabled the opposition and the pettiness of many believers, Trump's not in office. I firmly believe that 2 days before the election, the Lord told me that it was decided in heaven that Trump was to get back in. However, "Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" means that we have a role to play.

 

[kenallen]

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Let's not give sexuality too much credit for the fall of civilization... Aberrant/irresponsible sexual activity is just a symptom of a bigger problem. When, by law, children don't have to "identify" as the gender God gave them, then the problem is obviously those who write the laws; promoting lawlessness and negating God given common sense!

I believe that Christians should be marching in the streets!; Instead of the usual "minority interest" rabble. The fact that minorities have a voice among the majority in America is a testament to the fundamental Christian principles our constitution is founded upon. However, when the government itself politicizes minority interests to sway public opinion and gain power, convoluting the law so that it does not apply universally to everyone, then it's obvious that the government no longer fairly reflects the will of the people. Christianity still represents the majority in America, if not... America is doomed.

You are right the problem lies with the lack of teaching Gods word. The lack of raising up the people to understand and tackle this problem. The buck stops at the feet of the Shepard. A good Shepard leads his flock to good green pastor where they can grow, get strong reproduce and keep the flock going and growing. O do I wish we had 12 strong shepherds with thousands of deciples to help grow and feed the flock.

 

[kenallen]

The bombers are flying...it's a fact.
I remember the intense prayer leading up to the 2016 election. During the midterms, people talked of a red wave and took it easy. We lost. Leading up to 2020, enough of the church hated Trump and voted for Biden. They were offended.
Much of the church was lackadaisical, thinking Trump did such a good job and combined with Biden's complete lack of campaigning and obvious ineptitude, it was certain Trump would get in. The left broke all the rules and got away with it (lack of earnest intercession?)
Now we are on the verge of an armed conflict with Russia, and the powers-that-be are hellbent on escalating things.
We are on the road to a nuclear nightmare and all people can do is argue about it. At least that's how I see it.

This was never to be about politics; It is all about the lack of knowledge and the lack of teaching that goes on in our churches, temples, homes. etc. It is time to wake up the famine of the end times is not for food but the hearing of Gods word. People are out in the wilderness and lost and deair I say one of the biggest wilderness out in the world today is the church.

Warning against Drifting Away Hebrews 5
11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
This says it all. Am I saying every church is this way ? NO. I don't know every church and it is not my place to judge any church. I do have the power of decrement given me by God through the Holy Spirt to know right from wrong.
This is not my thanking, this is what the bible says.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I believe that Christians should be marching in the streets!

Marching in the streets for what?

 

[JAPOV]

Marching in the streets for what?

In direct opposition to the lawlessness and immorality our current globalist anti-Christian administration is propagating!

 

[ResidentAlien]

In direct opposition to the lawlessness and immorality our current globalist anti-Christian administration is propagating!

Are you a Christian? Where did you get this idea? Is it taught in the New Testament? I've read the NT many times and don't recall ever reading such a teaching.

 

[JAPOV]

Are you a Christian? Where did you get this idea? Is it taught in the New Testament? I've read the NT many times and don't recall ever reading such a teaching.

We are not to consider ourselves above the law, but bound by the law of the land unless the law is in opposition to the Word. So, in a free society founded upon fundamental Christian principals, if you do not lawfully participate in your own governance then you are guilty of complacency...

 

[ResidentAlien]

We are not to consider ourselves above the law, but bound by the law of the land unless the law is in opposition to the Word. So, in a free society founded upon fundamental Christian principals, if you do not lawfully participate in your own governance then you are guilty of complacency...

In the US we aren't bound to march in the streets opposing injustice and lawlessness; there's no law that says anyone has to do this. Nor is there any law that says a person has to vote or participate in politics; it's a right all citizens have but certainly not a law. Marching in the streets isn't something we're taught to do in God's word. If you want to that's your right but it's not an obligation for anyone.

You have said it: "Founded on fundamental Christian principles," not Christianity. There's a huge difference between basing your life on Christian principles and being a disciple of the Lord.

 

[JAPOV]

There's a huge difference between basing your life on Christian principles and being a disciple of the Lord.

As a disciple you do both...

 

[ResidentAlien]

As a disciple you do both...

What is marching in the street protesting injustice and immorality? Is that a Christian principle the Lord taught?

 

[JAPOV]

No, our current ungodly administration has set that precedent in opposition to Christianity. So, again, not to answer in kind is complacent and irresponsible!