Does the Earth have only four corners and four winds?

[GaryA]

Now it seems like you aren't using your comments to keep the conversation flowing.

No, you stopped the conversation in its tracks when you made the claim that there were bible verses that showed the earth moving.

I just wanted you to back up your claim.

(And, because I don't know of any such verses. If they exist, I would like to know about them.)

 

[Runningman]

First - that is your interpetation based on the assumption that the earth spins - not what it actually says.

Second - do you realize what would have to happen for this to play out in a Ball Earth scenario?

For this to happen in a ball earth scenario the Earth would need to be spinning. This can be demonstrated using a ball and a flashlight.

 

[GaryA]

This is talking about the Earth's rotation and the sun's apparent movement from the perspective of Earth.

First - that is your interpetation based on the assumption that the earth spins - not what it actually says.

Whether you look at it in terms of absolute or relative motion, the implication is made that both the sun and the moon were moving.

absolute motion:

~ whether the earth was moving or not, the sun and moon move naturally by default

relative motion:

~ if the earth was moving, the sun and moon would have to move in-sync with the earth movements so precisely as to create the appearance of not moving.

Considering how far away the sun and moon are thought to be, do you realize how fast they would have to move through space - and the distance traversed - just to "keep up" with the movement of the earth?

Based on the assumption that the earth spins naturally by default, it is utterly unreasonable to think that the earth stopped spinning for 24 hours.

It says nothing directly about the earth moving or not.

Only by implication - and, by comparison with other scriptures - do we arrive at the conclusion that (in this passage) the earth is not moving.

 

[GaryA]

For this to happen in a ball earth scenario the Earth would need to be spinning. This can be demonstrated using a ball and a flashlight.

I would love to see that demonstration. But - watch out for that far-flinging fast-moving flashlight!

 

[GaryA]

Whether you look at it in terms of absolute or relative motion, the implication is made that both the sun and the moon were moving.

By 'were moving', I mean before they 'stood still', etc.

 

[Runningman]

Whether you look at it in terms of absolute or relative motion, the implication is made that both the sun and the moon were moving.

absolute motion:

~ whether the earth was moving or not, the sun and moon move naturally by default

relative motion:

~ if the earth was moving, the sun and moon would have to move in-sync with the earth movements so precisely as to create the appearance of not moving.

Considering how far away the sun and moon are thought to be, do you realize how fast they would have to move through space - and the distance traversed - just to "keep up" with the movement of the earth?

Based on the assumption that the earth spins naturally by default, it is utterly unreasonable to think that the earth stopped spinning for 24 hours.

It says nothing directly about the earth moving or not.

Only by implication - and, by comparison with other scriptures - do we arrive at the conclusion that (in this passage) the earth is not moving.

Or the earth just stopped rotating. Why is it “utterly unreasonable” to think the Earth stopped spinning when that’s apparently what God caused to happen in Joshua 10:13?

Are you trying to tell me you think the sun and moon orbit the Earth?

 

[GaryA]

Or the earth just stopped rotating. Why is it “utterly unreasonable” to think the Earth stopped spinning when that’s apparently what God caused to happen in Joshua 10:13?

Are you trying to tell me you think the sun and moon orbit the Earth?

The time it would take to "spin down" and then "spin up" the earth whereby no one would sense the changes would take a multiple-factor of the total time involved.

If it were abrupt, it would probably kill most everyone on earth due to the resulting forces from inertia.

The sun and moon do not 'orbit' the earth; rather, they move in a clockwise circular path above the earth.

 

[GaryA]

When God made time "go back", did He "spin down" the earth - then make it spin backwards - and then "spin up" the earth - in order to "back time up" ten minutes?

(Think about this very carefully. How do you make time "go backwards"...?)

 

[GaryA]

The answer - the sun must "go backwards" relative to the earth - or, the earth must "go backwards" relative to the sun.

 

[GaryA]

Of course, the passage of time continued forward; however, for the sake of the sundial, the sun had to go backwards.

 

[tourist]

I stood on the 'four corners' of Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Utah.

I'm going to have to do that one day. You can get to 4 states in 4 seconds I guess.

 

[GaryA]

I'm going to have to do that one day. You can get to 4 states in 4 seconds I guess.

You can literally stand on all four corners together at the same time. There is a '+' crossing of the border lines that you can stand on and "walk all over"...

(There is a large 'marker' in the ground.)

 

[GaryA]

When I was there, it was something small and out in the open - more like this:

https://external-content.duckduckgo...id=OIP.ZuIMgbRlGQBkoEqcBwfQyQAAAA&pid=Api&f=1

It seems they have built around it since then and made it more "touristy"...

Hey, they did it for you!

 

[tourist]

You can literally stand on all four corners together at the same time. There is a '+' crossing of the border lines that you can stand on and "walk all over"...

(There is a large 'marker' in the ground.)

I'm gonna check this out Gary in the next year or two, God willing.

 

[GaryA]

I'm gonna check this out Gary in the next year or two, God willing.

Be sure to let me know when you make that trip - especially if you plan to travel through Texas on your way there...

 

[GaryA]

@Runningman: Sorry about the derail.

 

[GaryA]

Of course, the passage of time continued forward; however, for the sake of the sundial, the sun had to go backwards.

It seems from scripture that those who witnessed it simply saw the shadow draw back in time on the sundial - which would mean that God performed it directly and immediately (or, "in short order") without any 'physics' miracles to make it happen.

He simply stopped the sun it its circuit path and moved it back far enough to draw the shadow back 10 degrees on the sundial.

 

[GaryA]

in order to "back time up" ten minutes?

ten degrees [on the sundial]

 

[GaryA]

He simply stopped the sun it its circuit path and moved it back far enough to draw the shadow back 10 degrees on the sundial.

In the Joshua event, He merely stopped the sun and moon - held them there for 24 hours - and then let them continue on their way...

 

[GaryA]

oh I am here

No - you are there --- I am here...