What do we know about the resurrected body of the unsaved?

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glen55

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The term possible fights impossible by every beliefs from impossible to the term possible that is always truth for how you think about both terms, the fact presented by every creation is by same one power from one Spirit that is unbelieved and believed by the same mind where its responsible for every terms that is defeated by your own measure called possible or impossible which like electricity needs positive and negative to work through what's first is only happening naturally called lightning before man was actually learning how to make dangerous power to safe power to use any time needed, before this was captured by thought first then word was used to explain how its invented from creation that always existed but wasn't grasp how we use it safely was also happening back before douting happens continuous till another thought about possibly passing impossibility again under the Sun. Any term about what is God who created every good also bad and dangerous that isn't able to be safe involving man said to be sons man who reaches being mature to become a father also or mother.
Sons of God is facing book challenges from seen sons of natural limitations to flesh and blood considering how deep does grace and mercy can reach in a bottomless water lakes, is your possible belief still overcome by unbelief even Spirit doubt if that's possible for pure Love. Your decision so decide just on books and other mans being able to count every sand in Galaxy. Good lluke.
 

Magenta

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The text does not say they will not have a body like ours.
Nor does it say they will have a body like ours.

Why you would think they would be given the same as believers rather boggles the mind.
 
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Bro, 1Cor15 is clearly about the first resurrection.
What's different is the final destination. Immortal bodies of believers are united with God in New Jerusalem, immortal bodies of UNbelievers are united with Satan in the Lake of Fire. There was no annihilation.
 
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The lost will be resurrected and have a human body. They will be cast into the lake of fire, but not consumed. That will ensure that they will be tormented day and night. The simple thing for everyone to do is to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
 

TheLearner

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Yes there is. Read the parable of wheat and tares. Tares are thrown into the Lake of Fire, where there is eternal torment.
Matthew 13:24-30
New King James Version
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”
 

TheLearner

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What do the Scriptures tell us the Kingdom of God is?
"The kingdom of God is referenced often in the gospels (e.g., Mark 1:15; 10:15; 15:43; Luke 17:20) and other places in the New Testament (e.g., Acts 28:31; Romans 14:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50). The kingdom of God is synonymous with the kingdom of heaven. The concept of the kingdom of God takes on various shades of meaning in different passages of Scripture.
Broadly speaking, the kingdom of God is the rule of an eternal, sovereign God over all the universe. Several passages of Scripture show that God is the undeniable Monarch of all creation: “The LORD has established his throne in heaven, and his kingdom rules over all” (Psalm 103:19). And, as King Nebuchadnezzar declared, “His kingdom is an eternal kingdom” (Daniel 4:3). Every authority that exists has been established by God (Romans 13:1). So, in one sense, the kingdom of God incorporates everything that is.

More narrowly, the kingdom of God is a spiritual rule over the hearts and lives of those who willingly submit to God’s authority. Those who defy God’s authority and refuse to submit to Him are not part of the kingdom of God; in contrast, those who acknowledge the lordship of Christ and gladly surrender to God’s rule in their hearts are part of the kingdom of God. In this sense, the kingdom of God is spiritual—Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world (John 18:36), and He preached that repentance is necessary to be a part of the kingdom of God (Matthew 4:17). That the kingdom of God can be equated with the sphere of salvation is evident in John 3:5–7, where Jesus says the kingdom of God must be entered into by being born again. See also 1 Corinthians 6:9.

There is another sense in which the kingdom of God is used in Scripture: the literal rule of Christ on the earth during the millennium. Daniel said that “the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed” (Daniel 2:44; cf. 7:13–14), and many of the other prophets predicted the same thing (e.g., Obadiah 1:21; Habakkuk 2:14; Micah 4:2; Zechariah 14:9). Some theologians refer to the future, open manifestation of the kingdom of God as the “kingdom of glory” and the present, hidden manifestation of the kingdom of God as the “kingdom of grace.” But both manifestations are connected; Christ has set up His spiritual reign in the church on earth, and He will one day set up His physical reign in Jerusalem.

The kingdom of God has several aspects. The Lord is the Sovereign of the universe, and so in that sense His kingdom is universal (1 Timothy 6:15). At the same time, the kingdom of God involves repentance and the new birth, as God rules in the hearts of His children in this world in preparation for the next. The work begun on earth will find its consummation in heaven (see Philippians 1:6).":
https://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-of-God.html
 

TheLearner

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The phrase ‘Kingdom of God’ (also ‘Kingdom of Heaven’ or ‘Kingdom of Light’) appears more than 80 times in the New Testament. Most of these references occur in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. While the exact term is not found in the Old Testament, the existence of God’s Kingdom is expressed similarly in the Old Testament.


Kingdom of God
  • The Kingdom of God can be summarized as the everlasting realm where God is sovereign and Jesus Christ rules forever.
  • The Kingdom of God is mentioned more than 80 times in the New Testament.
  • The teachings of Jesus Christ center on the Kingdom of God.
  • Other names in the Bible for the Kingdom of God are the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of Light.

The central theme of Jesus Christ’s preaching was the Kingdom of God. But what is meant by this phrase? Is the kingdom of God a physical place or a present spiritual reality? Who are the subjects of this kingdom? And does the kingdom of God exist now or only in the future? Let’s search the Bible for answers to these questions.


Defining the Kingdom of God
The concept of a Kingdom of God is not primarily one of space, territory, or politics, as in a national kingdom, but instead, one of kingly rule, reign, and sovereign control. The Kingdom of God is the realm where God reigns supreme, and Jesus Christ is King. In this kingdom, God’s authority is recognized, and his will is obeyed.


Ron Rhodes, Theology Professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, offers this bite-size definition of the Kingdom of God: “…God’s present spiritual reign over His people (Colossians 1:13) and Jesus’ future reign in the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20).”


Old Testament scholar Graeme Goldsworthy summarized the Kingdom of God in even fewer words as, "God's people in God's place under God's rule."


Jesus and the Kingdom
John the Baptist began his ministry announcing that the kingdom of heaven was at hand (Matthew 3:2). Then Jesus took over: “From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ ” (Matthew 4:17, ESV)


Jesus taught his followers how to enter the Kingdom of God: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21, ESV)


The parables Jesus told illuminated truth about the Kingdom of God: “And he answered them, ‘To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.’ ” (Matthew 13:11, ESV)


Likewise, Jesus urged his followers to pray for the coming of the Kingdom: “Pray then like this: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.’ ” (Matthew 6:-10, ESV)


Jesus promised he would come again to earth in glory to establish his Kingdom as an eternal inheritance for his people. (Matthew 25:31-34)


In John 18:36, Jesus said, "My kingship is not of this world." Christ was not implying that his reign had nothing to do with the world, but that his dominion came not from any earthly human, but from God. For this reason, Jesus rejected the use of worldly fighting to achieve his purposes.


Where and When Is the Kingdom of God?
Sometimes the Bible refers to the Kingdom of God as a present reality while other times as a future realm or territory.


The apostle Paul said the Kingdom was part of our present spiritual life: “For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17, ESV)


Paul also taught that followers of Jesus Christ enter into the Kingdom of God at salvation: “He [Jesus Christ] has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son.” (Colossians 1:13, ESV)


Nevertheless, Jesus often spoke of the Kingdom as a future inheritance:


“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world.’ ” (Matthew 25:34, NLT)

“I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 8:11, NIV)

The apostle Peter described the future reward of those who persevere in the faith:


“Then God will give you a grand entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:11, NLT)​

Summary of the Kingdom of God
The simplest way to understand the Kingdom of God is the realm where Jesus Christ reigns as King and God’s authority is supreme. This Kingdom exists here and now (in part) in the lives and hearts of the redeemed, as well as in perfection and fullness in the future.

"https://www.learnreligions.com/what-is-the-kingdom-of-god-701988
 

TheLearner

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#54
The text tells he is able and will do it using hell/ lake of fire
It does not say He will. Only he is able.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:22 ESV
 
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#56
Everyone will be resurrected in a body that endures for eternity.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/resurrection_of_the_dead
The first verse on the list in the link you referenced says the resurrected of the unsaved are to a resurrection of damnation. The word damnation just means judgement. In English we tend to dramatize the word damn and damnation, but it just means judgement.

John 5:29 KJV
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Only the resurrected bodies of the saved are immortal.

Luke 20:35-36 KJV
35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

John 11:25-26 KJV
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The resurrected bodies of the unsaved can die:

Matthew 10:28 KJV
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Revelation 20:14-15 KJV
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

Magenta

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It does not say He will. Only he is able.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear
him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:22 ESV
Do you believe that Jesus gives idle threats?
 

Beckie

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"The kingdom of God is referenced often in the gospels (e.g., Mark 1:15; 10:15; 15:43; Luke 17:20) and other places in the New Testament (e.g., Acts 28:31; Romans 14:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50). The kingdom of God is synonymous with the kingdom of heaven. The concept of the kingdom of God takes on various shades of meaning in different passages of Scripture.
Broadly speaking, the kingdom of God is the rule of an eternal, sovereign God over all the universe. Several passages of Scripture show that God is the undeniable Monarch of all creation: “The LORD has established his throne in heaven, and his kingdom rules over all” (Psalm 103:19). And, as King Nebuchadnezzar declared, “His kingdom is an eternal kingdom” (Daniel 4:3). Every authority that exists has been established by God (Romans 13:1). So, in one sense, the kingdom of God incorporates everything that is.

More narrowly, the kingdom of God is a spiritual rule over the hearts and lives of those who willingly submit to God’s authority. Those who defy God’s authority and refuse to submit to Him are not part of the kingdom of God; in contrast, those who acknowledge the lordship of Christ and gladly surrender to God’s rule in their hearts are part of the kingdom of God. In this sense, the kingdom of God is spiritual—Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world (John 18:36), and He preached that repentance is necessary to be a part of the kingdom of God (Matthew 4:17). That the kingdom of God can be equated with the sphere of salvation is evident in John 3:5–7, where Jesus says the kingdom of God must be entered into by being born again. See also 1 Corinthians 6:9.

There is another sense in which the kingdom of God is used in Scripture: the literal rule of Christ on the earth during the millennium. Daniel said that “the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed” (Daniel 2:44; cf. 7:13–14), and many of the other prophets predicted the same thing (e.g., Obadiah 1:21; Habakkuk 2:14; Micah 4:2; Zechariah 14:9). Some theologians refer to the future, open manifestation of the kingdom of God as the “kingdom of glory” and the present, hidden manifestation of the kingdom of God as the “kingdom of grace.” But both manifestations are connected; Christ has set up His spiritual reign in the church on earth, and He will one day set up His physical reign in Jerusalem.

The kingdom of God has several aspects. The Lord is the Sovereign of the universe, and so in that sense His kingdom is universal (1 Timothy 6:15). At the same time, the kingdom of God involves repentance and the new birth, as God rules in the hearts of His children in this world in preparation for the next. The work begun on earth will find its consummation in heaven (see Philippians 1:6).":
https://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-of-God.html
AGREE until the third paragraph
 

ewq1938

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It does not say He will. Only he is able.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:22 ESV

The "in hell" part tells us he will because that is where he sends the unsaved.