Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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All you are doing is AVOIDING Scripture and making personal attacks. That's what OSASers do!Dude, your the one attacking here. Stop being a hypocrite.
I am just staying facts. If the truth hurts. Don;t blame me
John 15:6 (NKJV)
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
I quote Scripture. Why don't you?Amazing how you did not refute anything I said. You just attacked me..
Thats how you all always do. One day you may see it..
TrueNope
Just because someone goes to church does not mean they are saved,
Yep.All you are doing is AVOIDING Scripture and making personal attacks. That's what OSASers do!
John 15:6 (NKJV)
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Again, Not everyone who goes to church is saved.
Nice try again..
You keep ignoring eternal life
You keep ignoring never die
You keep ignoring we are saved by grace THROUGH faith not of work
You keep ignoring not of works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy..
Where is Gods mercy in your gospel?
Jesus said come and he will give you rest. Where is rest in your gospel
You do not offer me rest. You offer me a lifetime of working hard and hoping beyond hope I am good enough..
" ONLY a Christian can "depart from the Faith"."Nope
Just because someone goes to church does not mean they are saved,
1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
I have been quoting scripture all night. Just because I do not use a chapter verse does not mean I do not quote scripture..I quote Scripture. Why don't you?
No Scripture? You don't have any.Yep.
Again, Not everyone who goes to church is saved.
Nice try again..
You keep ignoring eternal life
You keep ignoring never die
You keep ignoring we are saved by grace THROUGH faith not of work
You keep ignoring not of works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy..
Where is Gods mercy in your gospel?
Jesus said come and he will give you rest. Where is rest in your gospel
You do not offer me rest. You offer me a lifetime of working hard and hoping beyond hope I am good enough..
Nope" ONLY a Christian can "depart from the Faith"."
1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
If they can depart from the faith as a born again child of God
1. John lied
2. Jesus lied
3. The Bible is a sham
You don't use chapter and verse?I have been quoting scripture all night. Just because I do not use a chapter verse does not mean I do not quote scripture..
Oh ok, so john 3, 4 5 and 6 is not in the Bible (eternal life Never die)No Scripture? You don't have any.
wow man you do not know much scripture do you and your going to school me?? HA HA HA
Again, NO SCRIPTURE! Don't have any? I have plenty.Nope
If they can depart from the faith as a born again child of God
1. John lied
2. Jesus lied
3. The Bible is a sham
Mark 13:13 (NKJV)
13 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
For god so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes WILL NEVER DIE and HAS ETERNAL LIFE.You don't use chapter and verse?
thats not scripture? I have only quoted from that one verse multiple times
Come on man, Your hurting your case.
Mark 13 is about the tribulation periodAgain, NO SCRIPTURE! Don't have any? I have plenty.
Mark 13:13 (NKJV)
13 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
You keep ignoring John 3 4 5 and 6 and Eph 2 and titus 3. I have quoted words from those passages all night..
Why don't you quote Scripture? Because you know it does not teach OSAS!Oh ok, so john 3, 4 5 and 6 is not in the Bible (eternal life Never die)
wow man you do not know much scripture do you and your going to school me?? HA HA HA
It doesn't say that. Even if it did it still means what it says, "he who endures to the end shall be saved. "Mark 13 is about the tribulation period
You keep ignoring John 3 4 5 and 6 and Eph 2 and titus 3. I have quoted words from those passages all night..
dude your on my last nerve.Why don't you quote Scripture? Because you know it does not teach OSAS!
You either do not know scripture and the passages I am quoting, or you are trying to make an excuse to look at them
John 3. I quoted numerous times now
John 4. Ask And I will give you living water flowing to eternal life
John 5. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will,but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
Now can you read scripture..
The you are saved by works, Not grace.It doesn't say that. Even if it did it still means what it says, "he who endures to the end shall be saved. "
Rom 11: 6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
You can;t have it both ways my friend,
Scripture must agree, not contradict itself.
NONE of that says a Christian can't become unsaved! You've been duped.dude your on my last nerve.
You either do not know scripture and the passages I am quoting, or you are trying to make an excuse to look at them
John 3. I quoted numerous times now
John 4. Ask And I will give you living water flowing to eternal life
John 5. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will,but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
Now can you read scripture..
Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
So never die does not mean never dieNONE of that says a Christian can't become unsaved! You've been duped.
Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
Eternal life does not mean eternal life
Live forever does not mean live forever
rom 11 was written to gentiles as a group. They they can be cut off.. and the natural branches (isreal) can be grafted back in, not induviduals.
Your tryign to hear man, Open your heart and let God in.