need help

[kenallen]

to everyone thank you for your input and words of encouragement. Like a little kid I may ask to many questions, and some may be like why is the sky blue.
With love Ken

 

[ResidentAlien]

I am new here and new to being a christian. I have not found a church not sure I want one if you read my hello post you know my background. Where do I start to read my bible? New testament Old testament or just open it. I am reading some of these posts and I am lost. Who do you listen to?

Hi kenallen, welcome.

Proverbs 13:20 says: "Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm." I don't belong to any congregation at this point, but I haven't given up; I think it's important to belong to one. But I'm still looking for the wise. Every group I've been to lately are not wise and they're getting less wise every day.

As far as reading the scriptures, this is a good opportunity to follow your heart not your head. Just start with something you feel led to. If it seems to be the wrong choice move on to something else. Eventually you'll find something that speaks to you.

God bless and many thanks to Him for calling you out of darkness!

 

[Jesusfollower]

I also noticed that some followed the process of KjV only. I disagree. It’s good to use multiple translations.

This is actually a fantastic app. It’s created by The Bible Project.
https://bibleproject.com/app/

The most accurate translation from the original texts must be used, not multiple translation!!! so far as I know the most accurate one in english is the KJV.

 

[Jesusfollower]

I am new here and new to being a christian. I have not found a church not sure I want one if you read my hello post you know my background. Where do I start to read my bible? New testament Old testament or just open it. I am reading some of these posts and I am lost. Who do you listen to?

Dear Kenallen,

I would start reading the bible first before finding a church to be certain the church you find follows the word of GOD and not a man made version of it.

As for reading the bible I would recommend the first 5 books of the bible in the old testament and at the same time of just after, the 4 first books of the new testament. From what i know the most accurate translation in English ( important) is king James version ( KJV) these books are the base to proper understanding.

There are great bible tools on the web i do not know them all but i use bible hub;

https://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm,

Bibiehub has maps, timelines, commentary and much more to help understanding, quite useful tool this site is. also you have the interlinear version word by word of the original text in english, it lelps sometimes to clarify.

example;

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/1-1.htm

Blessings

JF

 

[Snacks]

I'm not going to let some street church waste my time feeding me milk at best

I like your passion, but remember, at this point in time, the OP needs milk.

 

[Magenta]

Hi kenallen, welcome.

Proverbs 13:20 says: "Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm." I don't belong to any congregation at this point, but I haven't given up; I think it's important to belong to one. But I'm still looking for the wise. Every group I've been to lately are not wise and they're getting less wise every day.

As far as reading the scriptures, this is a good opportunity to follow your heart not your head. Just start with something you feel led to. If it seems to be the wrong choice move on to something else. Eventually you'll find something that speaks to you.

God bless and many thanks to Him for calling you out of darkness!

I started this one last night

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I like your passion, but remember, at this point in time, the OP needs milk.

I hear what you're saying, but here is what virtually no modern-day church is teaching:

Creation is under the Curse of the Lord, meaning that all of creation is corrupt, decaying, and dying. This Curse must be dealt with. And this is the Purpose of Christ, to Redeem His Fathers Elect of this Curse so that upon physical death, the Elect will be raised from the dead, like Christ, and Live forever in Eternity with the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and the rest of the Holy Elect.

How is this done? The modern-day "church" does not teach the Circumcision of Christ, the primary act that separates a person from the Curse of the Lord. Some churches teach that Repentance is granted by Christ, but many do not. Most churches teach that Jesus sends the Holy Spirit to a believer, and most churches teach that the death of Christ on the cross pays the debt for our sin. But what is critical is that to be empowered to Turn from sin, which means a change of thought followed by lifestyle . . . to Repent . . . our heart must be relieved of the Curse that causes disobedience and confusion. What is critical to be taught is that if we are not relieved of this Curse, we cannot be Indwelt by the Holy Spirit. What is critical to be taught is that if we are not relieved of this Curse, the death of Christ on the cross is meaningless.

So, we are not taught the True Purpose of Christ, nor are we taught the Work of Christ. Third, the modern-day "church" does not teach the Holy Effect of Christ, which is a Transformation of thought, followed by Transformed behavior. Paul is a classic example of such a change of thinking and behavior, for while on the Damascus Road, Paul began his Transformation (outside of his own will) from Christian killer, to Christian apologist. Likely within two weeks, Paul went from Christian killer to Christian preacher. This is why when most "christians" read Romans 12:2, they find some human, logical way of bypassing that Scripture to explain away why they have not Transformed. They find a way to justify how they have not improved to reflect the Glory of God more and more, but instead fall deeper and deeper into sin . . . all the while claiming that "there is nothing that can separate me from the Love of Christ." Unfortunately, these people who continue to live in debauchery of sorts . . . Christ never "Knew" them. And what does it mean to be "Known" by Christ? It is to have received the Circumcision of Christ. How else can one be "complete" in Christ unless they have received the Circumcision of Christ? How else can the Devil be "defeated" in a person's heart unless they have received the Circumcision of Christ? Note the Bold text below:

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."

The Church that I will attend is the Church that teaches the obvious and plain Truth. But at nearly 55 years of age, I've never found one. I have never found a Church that teaches the Truth.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I started this one last night

I love it exactly as it is. It's amazing.

 

[Magenta]

I love it exactly as it is. It's amazing.

Thank you. Ha, of course I realize you know that by saying I started it last night means I am most likely going to keep tinkering with it, and it will morph miniscully over time. Posting it helps me better see things I might marginally modify to make minor improvements

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Thank you. Ha, of course I realize you know that by saying I started it last night means I am most likely going to keep tinkering with it, and it will morph miniscully over time. Posting it helps me better see things I might marginally modify to make minor improvements

You are just Magnificent.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

I like your passion, but remember, at this point in time, the OP needs milk.

I apologize.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I apologize.

Humility in itself is remarkable . . . Truly amazing.

 

[Snacks]

I apologize.

No need to apologize, beloved. Occasionally we lose sight of how blessed we are regarding our knowledge and relational strength in the Lord. I’m the same way sometimes.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

No need to apologize, beloved.

That's what I'm talkin' about! This is how I'd like to see the Brethren talk to each other . . . consistently.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I am new here and new to being a christian. I have not found a church not sure I want one if you read my hello post you know my background. Where do I start to read my bible? New testament Old testament or just open it. I am reading some of these posts and I am lost. Who do you listen to?

start with the gospel of John. It identifies Jesus and where eternal
Life is found and it establishes a foundation for every Christian to build thier understanding upon. And branch out into Matthew mark and Luke and the epistles from there and then look back into the ot because it’s extremely helpful at that point.

 

[kenallen]

start with the gospel of John. It identifies Jesus and where eternal
Life is found and it establishes a foundation for every Christian to build thier understanding upon. And branch out into Matthew mark and Luke and the epistles from there and then look back into the ot because it’s extremely helpful at that point.

I started in Matthew but I will pick up John also. Thanks

 

[kenallen]

I love it exactly as it is. It's amazing.

I love it exactly as it is. It's amazing.

 

[kenallen]

I started this one last night

I spent or wasted about 31/2 hrs today listing to sermons on line today nobody really tought anything. What I have come up with in Matthew if it is right I thank it is I hope it is I pray before I start and if I am not quite getting something. I learned what a winnoing shovel is and the ganer is in Matthew 3.
Love your art work KenA

 

[kenallen]

The following is a brief synopsis of the New Testament of the Bible and how in the simple form it is laid out.


Genesis 3:15 to Revelation 22:21 The primary topic is Jesus Christ.

The Bible is addressed to one of three groups of believers Jews, Gentiles, and Church of Christ. The Church of Christ refers to those of us today who have accepted or wish to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. The period of time we now live is the Age of Grace. In this age of grace, the believers are referred to as the “church of Christ” “body of Christ” “saints” “believers” “born again believers” “Church of God”.… The entire Bible is written FOR our learning…. but not all is directly written TO us. Below I have outlined what books in the New Testament are written directly to us, and what is for our learning.



The book of ACTS….. Is the fulcrum point between the Old and New Testament. It shows the rise and expansion of the First Century Church of Grace…starting with the day of Pentecost in Acts 2, It basically gives a synopsis of how The age of Grace evolved….


((Understanding…. TO and FOR …
If I send a letter addressed to you, telling you I deposited a million dollars in your account ….the letter and the money is yours. If someone else reads the letter they may learn what is in the letter, and that you received a million dollars, but there is no money for them…. it was to you. Such is how the Epistles are written directly to us ….but the entire Bible is for our leaning.))




ROMANS, 1&2 CORINTHIANS, GALATIANS, EPHESIANS, PHILIPPIANS, COLISSIANS, and 1&2 THESSALONIANS

The seven Church epistles in the New Testament, are addressed DIRECTLY to those of us who are born again in this age of Grace.
Although there is a portion in Romans, between Chapter 9 and 12 that Paul (by revelation) is addressing Israel, and then to the Gentiles in chapter 11.


ROMANS, EPHESIANS and THESSALONIANS are “Doctrinal” Epistles = right or correct believing….. written for the walk of the believers in the Body of Christ.

CORINTHIANS & PHILIPPIANS are “Reproof” Epistles to show believers where they are off from the doctoral revelation.

GALATIANS & COLISSIANS are “Correction” Epistles to get the believers back to the right believing of the doctrine.

Thessalonians stands alone as a doctrinal epistle. Although it is last in the Church epistles it was written first, between 48-50AD. No reproof or correction is necessary as it deals with the hope. Thessalonians were the first epistles written so that the believers had the hope before them due to the mental pressure and persecution they endured. They are the last of the Church epistles as it is the culmination of the grace administration…..(when Christ return for the body of believers)


1 THESSALONIANS although a doctrinal epistle deals primarily with the return of Christ for the church of the body, and touches on Him returning with the church of the body.

2 THESSALONIANS mildly covers Christ return for the body ….but provides information as to what takes place after we are gone.



1&2 TIMOTHY, TITUS and I will include PHILEMON (although there is some disagreement with this) are called the Pastoral Epistles. These are written to the Church of grace…. but are directed towards leadership (Pastors, Teachers) within of the Body of Christ.
.
HEBREWS is not addressed to the church in the sense that we know the Church established on Pentecost. It is addressed to born again believers (Judeans), but those who have never walked in the freedom of the new birth……. those who are still zealous for the law.

JAMES Much like Hebrews was written to the Christian Jews of the dispersion, “the twelve tribes scattered abroad”. Those born again who seem to want to put themselves under the law. 1&2 PETER, 1,2&3 JOHN and JUDE closely align themselves to this category also. The reason so much of this seems applicable to many of us …is that we find ourselves not adhering to the doctrinal Epistles of Romans, Ephesians, and Thessalonians.


REVELATION….

For obvious reasons is the last book in the Bible.
So many people want to talk about Revelation…. so I will add this note. The book of Revelation is written about events that will take place after Christ returns for the Church of body. It deals with the second half of the Parousia when He returns “WITH” the church of the body.
The only people Revelations is applicable to, is those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior; living or deceased and all those (believers and unbelievers) prior to Age of Grace.



THE FOUR GOSPELS give the account, of the life and walk of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ from four different perspectives. MATTHEW as the “King”, MARK as the “Servant”, LUKE as the “Man”, and JOHN as the “Son”

The gospels although printed in the New Testament are figuratively the binding or the cohesive bond of the Bible; they stand alone, being neither in the Old nor the New.

For clarification…the page that says NEW TESTAMENT between Malachi and Matthew is not God breathed….it was added. Just as punctuation, chapter heading, chapters, verses, capitalization… were all added by translators over the years…and thank God they were….BUT…they are devoid of authority when it comes to rightly dividing the truth.


Although the GOSPELS are vitally important in our understanding of what Jesus Christ accomplished by his walk, death, resurrection and ascension….. it must be noted that Jesus Christ came to minister to Israel, the Bride. Israel rejected him and killed their King the Bridegroom. The church of the bride is at this time held in abeyance and picks up again in Revelation.
There is a BIG difference between….the THE BRIDE OF CHRIST in the gospels, which is for our learning .....and BODY OF CHRIST in the epistles written directly to us…. they are not the same, and if not distinguished it will cause you much confusion…and your brain will hurt…because you cannot correlate the two.

ALSO: Any reference to the return of Christ in the gospels, is NOT speaking of the return (gathering together) of Christ in Thessalonians……. It is speaking of His return as King of Kings when He returns WITH US. (the body of Christ.)

WHY? …because the mystery of the one body ….the age of Grace was kept secret with God and not revealed until it was given to Paul by revelation (Ephesians 3)..... So, there can be no reference to anything regarding the gathering together of the Church of the Body or the age of Grace → in the gospels. When Christ returns for the Church of the body…. He will not physically come to the earth….we will meet him in the air.
When He returns with his saint some 7 years later… for the second part of the Parousia (coming) …. He then returns as King of Kings…and will physically come to the Mt. of Olives.

A lot of info thanks it is going to take some time but I am glad I have it.

 

[kenallen]

I hear what you're saying, but here is what virtually no modern-day church is teaching:

Creation is under the Curse of the Lord, meaning that all of creation is corrupt, decaying, and dying. This Curse must be dealt with. And this is the Purpose of Christ, to Redeem His Fathers Elect of this Curse so that upon physical death, the Elect will be raised from the dead, like Christ, and Live forever in Eternity with the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and the rest of the Holy Elect.

How is this done? The modern-day "church" does not teach the Circumcision of Christ, the primary act that separates a person from the Curse of the Lord. Some churches teach that Repentance is granted by Christ, but many do not. Most churches teach that Jesus sends the Holy Spirit to a believer, and most churches teach that the death of Christ on the cross pays the debt for our sin. But what is critical is that to be empowered to Turn from sin, which means a change of thought followed by lifestyle . . . to Repent . . . our heart must be relieved of the Curse that causes disobedience and confusion. What is critical to be taught is that if we are not relieved of this Curse, we cannot be Indwelt by the Holy Spirit. What is critical to be taught is that if we are not relieved of this Curse, the death of Christ on the cross is meaningless.

So, we are not taught the True Purpose of Christ, nor are we taught the Work of Christ. Third, the modern-day "church" does not teach the Holy Effect of Christ, which is a Transformation of thought, followed by Transformed behavior. Paul is a classic example of such a change of thinking and behavior, for while on the Damascus Road, Paul began his Transformation (outside of his own will) from Christian killer, to Christian apologist. Likely within two weeks, Paul went from Christian killer to Christian preacher. This is why when most "christians" read Romans 12:2, they find some human, logical way of bypassing that Scripture to explain away why they have not Transformed. They find a way to justify how they have not improved to reflect the Glory of God more and more, but instead fall deeper and deeper into sin . . . all the while claiming that "there is nothing that can separate me from the Love of Christ." Unfortunately, these people who continue to live in debauchery of sorts . . . Christ never "Knew" them. And what does it mean to be "Known" by Christ? It is to have received the Circumcision of Christ. How else can one be "complete" in Christ unless they have received the Circumcision of Christ? How else can the Devil be "defeated" in a person's heart unless they have received the Circumcision of Christ? Note the Bold text below:

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."

The Church that I will attend is the Church that teaches the obvious and plain Truth. But at nearly 55 years of age, I've never found one. I have never found a Church that teaches the Truth.

Thanks I like that. I don't quit understand all of it but I will be looking at Romans and Colossians