Can a being have two different wills or does two different wills mean two different beings?
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After reading the entire Bible several times, and after keeping track of verses that relate to this topic, I came to the conclusion that a person does either the will of the Devil (prior to Purification) or the Will of the Father (post Purification).
If we are under the Adamic Curse, the Curse of which Jesus relieves His Elect from, part of that Curse means to be handed over to Satan to live out his unholy will. After Christ Circumcises a person's heart of that "Mind of the Devil," a person is then Enabled to do the Will of the Father.
However, now that I consider it, and if what I am offering above it True, how would we explain our sin even after Spiritual Circumcision? This would indicate that human free will is, in fact, a strong possibility unless I were to suggest that it was the Will of the Father that I sin.
Huh . . . I may have just convinced myself that free will is possible if not likely.
If we are under the Adamic Curse, the Curse of which Jesus relieves His Elect from, part of that Curse means to be handed over to Satan to live out his unholy will. After Christ Circumcises a person's heart of that "Mind of the Devil," a person is then Enabled to do the Will of the Father.
However, now that I consider it, and if what I am offering above it True, how would we explain our sin even after Spiritual Circumcision? This would indicate that human free will is, in fact, a strong possibility unless I were to suggest that it was the Will of the Father that I sin.
Huh . . . I may have just convinced myself that free will is possible if not likely.
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The will is constrained by too many factors to truly call it "free." There is self will, and then
there is God's will. The natural man is as 2ndTimothy said above, hostile to God until such
time as his heart is circumcised. A man's will afterward seeks to align itself with the will of
God, which, elementarily speaking, has already happened though coming to believe.
Hebrews 13:20-21
there is God's will. The natural man is as 2ndTimothy said above, hostile to God until such
time as his heart is circumcised. A man's will afterward seeks to align itself with the will of
God, which, elementarily speaking, has already happened though coming to believe.
Hebrews 13:20-21
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https://www.biospace.com/article/re...an-atheist-university-of-york-study-reveals-/
Scientifically speaking people can have “religious brains” or “atheistic brains”. Though typically it’s a combination of both. There are cases of very religious people having brain trauma that damages the parts of the brain associated with religion And they stop believing.
This conversation touches up on it.
https://biologos.org/podcast-episodes/bill-newsome-neuroscience-faith-free-will
Scientifically speaking people can have “religious brains” or “atheistic brains”. Though typically it’s a combination of both. There are cases of very religious people having brain trauma that damages the parts of the brain associated with religion And they stop believing.
This conversation touches up on it.
https://biologos.org/podcast-episodes/bill-newsome-neuroscience-faith-free-will
I love this quote of yours. And . . . the artwork is remarkable. 
CRA Christians in Recovery (anonymous) - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
And I found it ^ there ^ also, which confirms it
Thank you
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Is this a co-incidence or what??? In looking at the file properties, it says it was created three years ago to this very day
CRA Christians in Recovery (anonymous) - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
And I found it ^ there ^ also, which confirms it
Thank you
CRA Christians in Recovery (anonymous) - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
And I found it ^ there ^ also, which confirms it
Thank you
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there’s always been since Adam fell in Eden this conflict
“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,
for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
Genesis 6:3 KJV
that conflict is caused by this
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
we’re in a conflict between our spirit which is of God and our flesh which is corrupted by the knowledge of evil and temptation which comes to us through the flesh. The flesh has a Will that ears against the Will of the spirit
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
Galatians 5:16-17
The way to overcome the flesh is to believe and be quickened by the spirit and follow after the word of Christ
“It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
walk in the spirit and the Will of the flesh will die. We have to be willing to accept the gospel though christs teachings are quite contrary to the Will of the world through the flesh
A good example of flesh and spirit is here
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:38-39 KJV
if someone offends us the flesh wants to respond equally you push me I push you back seems fair to me
the spirit doesn’t agree , you push me , I don’t retaliate i operate in the spirit and the lord do the Pushing back when he sees fit. I forgive when offended by the spirit i do not abide by the Will of the flesh and take revenge and hold a grudge because the spirit says one thing , the flesh desires another they are contrary and always in conflict
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:13 KJV
those are the two wills we all deal with the flesh which thinks and desires the world and it’s ways , and the spirit which hears the gospel and follows Gods ways
the flesh will Is of the world the spirit is from heaven
“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.”
Colossians 3:1-2 KJV
we must after money , popularity , we want to take our own revenge and be justified , we want and lust for the worldly but the gospel is about desiring the things Jesus spoke forth about the eternal kingdom and learning To pursue those things not of this world
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
John 18:36 KJV
and then there’s the worldly kingdom
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:19-20 KJV
We want To let go of the Will
Of the flesh rooted in the lists of the world and look into the fathers kingdom , the gospel can do this if we accept and believe
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:
but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
1 John 2:15-17 KJV
that’s why we want to hear and believe the gospel it’s Gods Will for man
“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”
John 7:16-17 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
….Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:31-32, 51 KJV
we want to start accepting and believing Jesus words even though the world doesn’t agree with him we can and receive his promises. It’s important to note not all Christians will agree with Jesus words some don’t have the ears
“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,
for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
Genesis 6:3 KJV
that conflict is caused by this
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
we’re in a conflict between our spirit which is of God and our flesh which is corrupted by the knowledge of evil and temptation which comes to us through the flesh. The flesh has a Will that ears against the Will of the spirit
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
Galatians 5:16-17
The way to overcome the flesh is to believe and be quickened by the spirit and follow after the word of Christ
“It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
walk in the spirit and the Will of the flesh will die. We have to be willing to accept the gospel though christs teachings are quite contrary to the Will of the world through the flesh
A good example of flesh and spirit is here
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:38-39 KJV
if someone offends us the flesh wants to respond equally you push me I push you back seems fair to me
the spirit doesn’t agree , you push me , I don’t retaliate i operate in the spirit and the lord do the Pushing back when he sees fit. I forgive when offended by the spirit i do not abide by the Will of the flesh and take revenge and hold a grudge because the spirit says one thing , the flesh desires another they are contrary and always in conflict
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:13 KJV
those are the two wills we all deal with the flesh which thinks and desires the world and it’s ways , and the spirit which hears the gospel and follows Gods ways
the flesh will Is of the world the spirit is from heaven
“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.”
Colossians 3:1-2 KJV
we must after money , popularity , we want to take our own revenge and be justified , we want and lust for the worldly but the gospel is about desiring the things Jesus spoke forth about the eternal kingdom and learning To pursue those things not of this world
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
John 18:36 KJV
and then there’s the worldly kingdom
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:19-20 KJV
We want To let go of the Will
Of the flesh rooted in the lists of the world and look into the fathers kingdom , the gospel can do this if we accept and believe
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:
but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
1 John 2:15-17 KJV
that’s why we want to hear and believe the gospel it’s Gods Will for man
“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”
John 7:16-17 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
….Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:31-32, 51 KJV
we want to start accepting and believing Jesus words even though the world doesn’t agree with him we can and receive his promises. It’s important to note not all Christians will agree with Jesus words some don’t have the ears
In Luke 22: 42 Jesus prefers not to go through with His upcoming death and becomes fearful. The Father sends Him an angel from heaven to strengthen Him. There was no lust of the flesh. No one wants to die. Again, two wills involved ( the Father's and the Son). Does that mean two beings involved? The Son does the Father's will and not His own.
Can a being have two different wills or does two different wills mean two different beings?
Can a being have two different wills or does two different wills mean two different beings?
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30 KJV
Jesus was tempted through his flesh as we all are the difference is he never succumb to temptation. Your seeing the flesh of Jesus being tempted to avoid his purpose but he overcame
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
Hebrews 4:15 KJV
Satan was trying to stop Jesus from completing his mission but Jesus overcame the Will of the flesh to stay alive and went with the Will of the spirit to let the flesh die me be glorified in the spirit.
“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”
Hebrews 5:7-8 KJV
that’s why you see him struggling in that moment
but yes we have a corrupt Will and Christ is meaning to change that through the Holy Ghost it doesn’t replace our spirit it revived us and heals our corrupt Will through faith in the word of God
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
Romans 8:14, 16-17 KJV
when we receive the Holy Spirit he comes to lead our spirit home heal us and circumcise the will of the flesh. The competing wills are the old corrupt human Will and the new righteous Will through the gospel. Jesus was never in competition with Gods Will he is one , your seeing jesus flesh being tempted in that moment but he overcame and obeyed the competition of wills is here for us
“that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:22-24 KJV
the thing that renews the spirit of the mind is here
“It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
Jesus had flesh and was tempted like we are but the difference is he never sinned like we have.
“but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
Flesh can be tempted but the spirit can overcome is the idea. Jesus partook of the flesh and perfected the flesh never sin king or submitting to temptation even when it took him to the cross
“and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
Philippians 2:8 KJV
he obeyed even though he knew he was going to suffer and die …..but he was saved from death. Jesus understood this lifetime is temporary , the spirit is forever and lasts through the death of the flesh
John 10:30 KJV
Jesus was tempted through his flesh as we all are the difference is he never succumb to temptation. Your seeing the flesh of Jesus being tempted to avoid his purpose but he overcame
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
Hebrews 4:15 KJV
Satan was trying to stop Jesus from completing his mission but Jesus overcame the Will of the flesh to stay alive and went with the Will of the spirit to let the flesh die me be glorified in the spirit.
“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”
Hebrews 5:7-8 KJV
that’s why you see him struggling in that moment
but yes we have a corrupt Will and Christ is meaning to change that through the Holy Ghost it doesn’t replace our spirit it revived us and heals our corrupt Will through faith in the word of God
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
Romans 8:14, 16-17 KJV
when we receive the Holy Spirit he comes to lead our spirit home heal us and circumcise the will of the flesh. The competing wills are the old corrupt human Will and the new righteous Will through the gospel. Jesus was never in competition with Gods Will he is one , your seeing jesus flesh being tempted in that moment but he overcame and obeyed the competition of wills is here for us
“that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:22-24 KJV
the thing that renews the spirit of the mind is here
“It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
Jesus had flesh and was tempted like we are but the difference is he never sinned like we have.
“but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
Flesh can be tempted but the spirit can overcome is the idea. Jesus partook of the flesh and perfected the flesh never sin king or submitting to temptation even when it took him to the cross
“and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
Philippians 2:8 KJV
he obeyed even though he knew he was going to suffer and die …..but he was saved from death. Jesus understood this lifetime is temporary , the spirit is forever and lasts through the death of the flesh
When Jesus said that He and the Father are One, He didn't mean that they are the same being. Jesus prayed to the Father that His disciples be One just like He and the Father are One. We can never be equal to the Father or Son, so it doesn't mean the same being.
It means having the same Holy Spirit of the Father.
It means having the same Holy Spirit of the Father.
