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iamsoandso said:
Me either,lol I guess I would if I was younger but at my age doing everything from terminal would be like learning to read and write again...everything depends on what it's used for.
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I like using the terminal. But I don't see how anyone could use it for everything.
 
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Seeking-Christ said:
I like using the terminal. But I don't see how anyone could use it for everything.
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Me either other than clicking and drag/drop to fix a few things,,,other than that I'm really tempted to take a Roomba vacuum and use the MB and sensors along with a 20v weed-eater and make me a mower. Bot software is just sitting there waiting,,,lol
 
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Seeking-Christ said:
That is exactly what I was talking about.

I think out of all the OSes Linux Mint has the best updater. What do you think about that?

I like PCLinuxOS, but what I don't like about it is how much work I had to put into the distro before I got it running smooth.

Number 1) I had to change this or I couldn't use my external hard drives with it and Linux Mint.
By default, PCLinuxOS UIDs start at 500, while Linux Mint and almost every other distro, start at 1000.


Number 2) FIX SWAPPINESS: (This is controversial among linux users. But for my computers it works really well, so I do it.)
Create
/etc/sysctl.d/vm.swappiness.conf
vm.swappiness = 10
reboot

Number 3) ENABLE WRITE CACHING ON HARD DISKS
Edit /etc/sysconfig/harddisks and uncomment all the options and reboot. That should get you going. ;D

USE_DMA=1
MULTIPLE_IO=16
EIDE_32BIT=3
LOOKAHEAD=1

reboot

Number 4) FIX INTEL NOT CLEARING OUT CPU

How to check:
run these in terminal :

$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuidle/current_driver

and

$ cat /sys/module/intel_idle/parameters/max_cstate


If the max_state is not 1 there could be the problem.


Edit /etc/default/grub
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet noiswmd nokmsboot resume=UUID=77894d14-fc4b-4535-b2f4-ad8e84d43f4b audit=0 vga=788 intel_idle.max_cstate=1
su
update-grub
reboot

On PCLinuxOS the software is slightly limited because they are against using System D. So anything that depends on System D, you can't use.

When it comes to updating PClinuxOS, Synaptic Package Manager is your best friend. Anything else, doesn't seem to have enough tools, to help you fix things if something goes wrong. Another tool you need is timeshift. Since this is a rolling distro, it is possible that things could get broken. One time something got updated, but not everything I needed. In order to get my sound working again I had to timeshift it back to an earlier time. Wait a day or so, and then re try the updating.

Another thing you like to have installed is dupeclean. It isn't installed by default, but sometimes if something goes wrong, you can end up with duplicate packages, that messes things up. When that happens dupeclean and dupeclean-gui is your friend.

This shouldn't scare you off from using it. Once you get it smoothed out the way you like it, it isn't hard to keep the distro stable. I haven't had any of the problems that I mentioned in nearly a year!
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Have you checked out Fedora lately? Some are saying it IS what Ubuntu USED to be.

 
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Lynx said:
Have you checked out Fedora lately? Some are saying it IS what Ubuntu USED to be.

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I have not. Man it's been years since I've ran a live session of Fedora, and I haven't gotten around to doing the AV Linux testing I wanted to get done. :( Forum posts are really active on this site. I'm afraid that I'll need an intervention. But I am getting ready to watch some videos. So I'll be logging off soon. And I'll take a look at that video. I really wish, Linux OSes would make it easier to run the version of software you want, instead of the version they make you. I know you can try to compile. And I know that there are some app images. And of course the crazy flatpak and snappy stuff. ppas etc. But still I just want something easy that doesn't cause a lot of maintenance. If there was a app image for everything that would probably make me happy. If flatpak ran as smooth as the normal packages then that would make me happy. But nothing is perfect. lol
 
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That's the thing. Fedora seems to have taken flatpak and run with it.

I'm still not sure how I feel about flatpak though. I know it's THE coming thing, but... I dunno.
 
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At least it's not gentoo. :p

Chat quote:
<@insomnia> it only takes three commands to install Gentoo
<@insomnia> cfdisk /dev/hda && mkfs.xfs /dev/hda1 && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/ && chroot /mnt/gentoo/ && env-update && . /etc/profile && emerge sync && cd /usr/portage && scripts/bootsrap.sh && emerge system && emerge vim && vi /etc/fstab && emerge gentoo-dev-sources && cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make install modules_install && emerge gnome mozilla-firefox openoffice && emerge grub && cp /boot/grub/grub.conf.sample /boot/grub/grub.conf && vi /boot/grub/grub.conf && grub && init 6
<@insomnia> that's the first one


Aaaaaand... one chat quote for slackware:

<nulldog> I'm not quite sure who slack is for, it's harder then REdHat, so it's not for newbies, it's less secure then FreeBSD so it's not for experts, and it's not pretty so it's not for desktops.
<DigDug> slack is for linux zealots :-D
 
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I've played with snaps and flatpak. As far as performance goes. Both have let me down. The only current program that I need that I use with flatpak is librewolf web browser on Linux Mint 20.3 xfce. And it works really well, but I haft to update the flatpaks separately from the main updater. Another package I tried to use for a while was the flatpak of audacity. For a while I wanted the latest audacity, and the ppa let me down. So I tried switching to the flatpak. It was a little slower, and then after an update I couldn't do something as well as it used too. Then I just went back to an older deb version. I've been using it ever since.

When it comes to PCLinuxOS, the librewolf is in the repos, as an rprm, I think. Anyways you just install like you normally do with any program from synaptic, or the terminal. Audacity is the same way, which is why I'm stuck on the latest version with broken icons. I could change to another icon set, but I don't want to do that. Everything else is fine. The sad thing is, the older version of audacity was fine too. So it's probably audacity that changed something that made my icon pack incompatible.
 
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I'm downloading the Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-35-1.2. I got some extra hard drives laying around, I probably can install that and see what happens. I don't see any checksums for this spin on the site. It would be good if whoever made it would have put them online too!

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/download/index.html
 
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Seeking-Christ said:
I've played with snaps and flatpak. As far as performance goes. Both have let me down. The only current program that I need that I use with flatpak is librewolf web browser on Linux Mint 20.3 xfce. And it works really well, but I haft to update the flatpaks separately from the main updater. Another package I tried to use for a while was the flatpak of audacity. For a while I wanted the latest audacity, and the ppa let me down. So I tried switching to the flatpak. It was a little slower, and then after an update I couldn't do something as well as it used too. Then I just went back to an older deb version. I've been using it ever since.

When it comes to PCLinuxOS, the librewolf is in the repos, as an rprm, I think. Anyways you just install like you normally do with any program from synaptic, or the terminal. Audacity is the same way, which is why I'm stuck on the latest version with broken icons. I could change to another icon set, but I don't want to do that. Everything else is fine. The sad thing is, the older version of audacity was fine too. So it's probably audacity that changed something that made my icon pack incompatible.
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You would think flatpac on Mint would update it's self? Wasn't it part of the out of the box installation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak
 
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iamsoandso said:
You would think flatpac on Mint would update it's self? Wasn't it part of the out of the box installation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak
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On the Linux Mint forums there have been posts about this. You are correct that flatpak does come with the system. But in my experience, it doesn't appear to update it's self. I go to the terminal and type. flatpak update
 
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Seeking-Christ said:
On the Linux Mint forums there have been posts about this. You are correct that flatpak does come with the system. But in my experience, it doesn't appear to update it's self. I go to the terminal and type. flatpak update
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It's kinda strange, it seemed like audacity flatpak updated it's self, but it sure doesn't appear that librewolf and the nvidia stuff that is mixed in doesn't seem too. It's weird. You might want to do a search if your curious.
 
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Seeking-Christ said:
On the Linux Mint forums there have been posts about this. You are correct that flatpak does come with the system. But in my experience, it doesn't appear to update it's self. I go to the terminal and type. flatpak update
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You can tell it to auto update(search for similar articles/post) such as this https://www.jwillikers.com/automate-flatpak-updates-with-systemd I suppose they then have it set up similar to ROS,LISP ect. so as a link/tether between the OS and the application...
 
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iamsoandso said:
Here's Mint auto update info https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=363061
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I guess I could try the auto update thing. Although I don't mind updating the flatpak from terminal.

I sorta found the checksum on the fedoria website. I'm not a 100% positive that I can get their instructions to work. I kinda hate the gpg stuff. Because sometimes I get it to work, and sometimes I don't. So far I've always gotten it to work for Linux Mint. I have also gotten it to work for MX Linux. But the other day I was trying to get it to work for EndeavourOS and it just refused to work. I spent maybe 30 minutes to an hour troubleshooting with online searches, and didn't come up with a solution. The gpg didn't work this fedora xfce, so I downloaded the official fedora workstation, and I'm going to try again, just in case the xfce isn't included. But it makes me mad when the instructions are right in front of my nose, and it doesn't work, putting me on a wild goose chase looking for answers that I might not find, without taking the time to join the forums and ask.
 
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Instructions for checking the workstation is here.
https://getfedora.org/en/security/

Looks like it works for the Official Workstation. And it looks like we can post code on this site too. :)

Code: 
curl https://getfedora.org/static/fedora.gpg | gpg --import
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
  0     0    0     0    0     0      0      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--     0gpg: key 5323552A: "Fedora (37) <fedora-37-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
100 14221  100 14221    0     0  47909      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 47882
gpg: key 38AB71F4: "Fedora (36) <fedora-36-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 9867C58F: "Fedora (35) <fedora-35-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 45719A39: "Fedora (34) <fedora-34-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 9570FF31: "Fedora (33) <fedora-33-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key DBBDCF7C: "Fedora (iot 2019) <fedora-iot-2019@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 3228467C: "Fedora (epel9) <epel@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 2F86D6A1: "Fedora EPEL (8) <epel@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 352C64E5: "Fedora EPEL (7) <epel@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 9
gpg:              unchanged: 9

$ gpg --verify-files *-CHECKSUM
gpg: Signature made Fri 29 Oct 2021 12:47:13 PM EDT using RSA key ID 9867C58F
gpg: Good signature from "Fedora (35) <fedora-35-primary@fedoraproject.org>"
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 787E A6AE 1147 EEE5 6C40  B30C DB46 3971 9867 C58F

$ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: OK
sha256sum: WARNING: 19 lines are improperly formatted
 
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That one basically worked. What a beautiful mess of text.

Code: 
curl https://getfedora.org/static/fedora.gpg | gpg --import
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
100 14221  100 14221    0     0  31115      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 31186
gpg: key 5323552A: "Fedora (37) <fedora-37-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 38AB71F4: "Fedora (36) <fedora-36-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 9867C58F: "Fedora (35) <fedora-35-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 45719A39: "Fedora (34) <fedora-34-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 9570FF31: "Fedora (33) <fedora-33-primary@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key DBBDCF7C: "Fedora (iot 2019) <fedora-iot-2019@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 3228467C: "Fedora (epel9) <epel@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 2F86D6A1: "Fedora EPEL (8) <epel@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: key 352C64E5: "Fedora EPEL (7) <epel@fedoraproject.org>" not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 9
gpg:              unchanged: 9

$gpg --verify-files *-CHECKSUM
gpg: Signature made Fri 29 Oct 2021 12:46:50 PM EDT using RSA key ID 9867C58F
gpg: Good signature from "Fedora (35) <fedora-35-primary@fedoraproject.org>"
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 787E A6AE 1147 EEE5 6C40  B30C DB46 3971 9867 C58F

$ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
sha256sum: Fedora-Cinnamon-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: No such file or directory
Fedora-Cinnamon-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: FAILED open or read
sha256sum: Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: No such file or directory
Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: FAILED open or read
sha256sum: Fedora-LXDE-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: No such file or directory
Fedora-LXDE-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: FAILED open or read
sha256sum: Fedora-LXQt-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: No such file or directory
Fedora-LXQt-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: FAILED open or read
sha256sum: Fedora-MATE_Compiz-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: No such file or directory
Fedora-MATE_Compiz-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: FAILED open or read
sha256sum: Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: No such file or directory
Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: FAILED open or read
Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: OK
sha256sum: Fedora-i3-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: No such file or directory
Fedora-i3-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso: FAILED open or read
sha256sum: WARNING: 19 lines are improperly formatted
sha256sum: WARNING: 7 listed files could not be read
 
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All that stuff reminds me of myself, messing around with ubuntu, way back in 2005, on an old ipex desktop. Yeah, that used to be a brand of computer. A shoddy one.

I want to never have to know that much about tinkering with computer code ever again.
 
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That code is for security purposes. The idea is, if it checks out then a hacker hasn't changed the iso file. I don't mind looking at the code, It's just that I don't like having to hunt all over the place to find the stuff I need to do the check. And if something goes wrong I don't like having to look all over the place to find additional instructions. I'm not lazy, it's just so time consuming.
 
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