Why is God's Name NOT in the Bible?

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I never once advocated in this thread that anyone refer to God the Father as YHWH.
I do disagree with you statement that "It doesn't matter". Why would God insist throughout scripture that his NAME be known?
See Ex3 and use "YHWH" instead of "the Lord".
BTW when Jesus did not pray to himself.
This is silly.
 

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The Letter Vav (ו) In the Hebrew Alphabet
The letter Vav is the sixth letter in the Hebrew alphabet. Through the ancient Phoenician language, the letter Vav actually became the modern letter “F” used in the English and Latin alphabets. Unlike many other letters in the Hebrew alphabet, the original meaning of the letter Vav actually seems quite obvious and straightforward. The word “vav” means a “hook,” “spear,” or “tent peg” in Hebrew, therefore the name and shape of the letter are directly connected to this meaning. The Hebrew letter Vav itself has a very interesting pronunciation history and a variety of different uses and meanings.

Most scholars agree that the ancient pronunciation of the letter was more like a “W” and less like the “V” that it currently has in the Modern Hebrew language. This assertion has a lot of support if we simply look around at modern use in other Semitic languages. In Arabic, for example, only the “W” sound exists, and the “V” sound does not exist. Among certain Jewish pronunciations, the original still holds true, as Yemenite Jews to this day pronounce the Vav as a “W” in specific cases. When Hebrew is written with pronunciation markings (nikud), a Vav without any markings is pronounced like the “V” in “very,” a Vav with a dot in the middle is pronounced “oo,” as in “fool,” and a Vav with a dot on top is pronounced “o,” as in “go.”

Not the stipulation that "most scholars" agree.
A"s per Yiddish, this stems from German Jews speaking in "Their own form of German. It is frowned upon being usesed in Is4rael. At least it was when I lived theree.
 

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The Letter Vav (ו) In the Hebrew Alphabet
The letter Vav is the sixth letter in the Hebrew alphabet. Through the ancient Phoenician language, the letter Vav actually became the modern letter “F” used in the English and Latin alphabets. Unlike many other letters in the Hebrew alphabet, the original meaning of the letter Vav actually seems quite obvious and straightforward. The word “vav” means a “hook,” “spear,” or “tent peg” in Hebrew, therefore the name and shape of the letter are directly connected to this meaning. The Hebrew letter Vav itself has a very interesting pronunciation history and a variety of different uses and meanings.

Most scholars agree that the ancient pronunciation of the letter was more like a “W” and less like the “V” that it currently has in the Modern Hebrew language. This assertion has a lot of support if we simply look around at modern use in other Semitic languages. In Arabic, for example, only the “W” sound exists, and the “V” sound does not exist. Among certain Jewish pronunciations, the original still holds true, as Yemenite Jews to this day pronounce the Vav as a “W” in specific cases. When Hebrew is written with pronunciation markings (nikud), a Vav without any markings is pronounced like the “V” in “very,” a Vav with a dot in the middle is pronounced “oo,” as in “fool,” and a Vav with a dot on top is pronounced “o,” as in “go.”

Not the stipulation that "most scholars" agree.
A"s per Yiddish, this stems from German Jews speaking in "Their own form of German. It is frowned upon being usesed in Is4rael. At least it was when I lived theree.
YHWH is Ancient Hebrew. NOT Modern Hebrew. The letter is WAW and NEVER expressed as a V.
I'm pretty sure that Yiddish is NOT a Germanic language.

Ex3 clearly portrays God telling Moses to tell them "I am who I am". This is a descriptor. God follows this with:

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YHWH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (Exodus 3:13-15)

YHWH being his name. Elohim is a title or descriptor meaning heavenly being.
 

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I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
this part

the manifest person of Jesus Christ is the name of God


how do i pronounce His being?
 

posthuman

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Simply. because the Jews thousands of years ago, decided that it was a sin to say His Name. So they refused to write or say His Name. The Bible translators decided to follow that tradition.

So you end up with a Bible minus the name of God in the Old Testament.

I am not impressed.
i do not think it is a mistake that the scriptures record the Tetragrammaton without any vowels,
such that we presently have this mystery of how it is to be pronounced, with many opinions.


i reckon this is God's intention.

we know there is a name above all names, which we say in English, JESUS
as @JaumeJ reminded us by calling attention to Zephaniah 3, He will one day restore to us a pure language, undoing the confusing of tongues at Babel, Nimrod's rebellion, and we will know Him fully as He is known.


for now we have this surety, Yashuah, "Yah is Salvation"
 
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Yes, I believe we should call God Yahweh again, just like the faithful Israelites of old would have done.

The Holy Name of God distinguishes the True God from every false god. We should call His Name Yahweh.

It's Very Clear to me that our God likes to be called by His Name. The Holy Bible is full of His Holy Name.

The Name Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation. We cannot begin to understand Yeshua until we know Yahweh.

We know the Son through the Father and the Son is He Who is blessed because He came in the Name of YAH.

We see so much Power in the Invocation "Hallelu-YAH". HalleluYAH does not just mean "Praise the Lord".

It rather means, Specifically, "Praise Yahweh" or, Praise the One True God, the God of Israel, the True Lord, Yahweh.

If people want to use a reverential "The Lord" in the Commandments, they can render it "I am [the Lord] Yahweh your God" etc.

In His Name,
N. Xavier.
 

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Although the subject here is not about the Gospel or salvation, we do know that God does not change. They even had sacrifices and Sabbath in the days of Adam and Eve. The OP is suggesting that God does want his Name known, not just titles which can be used to describe anyone with any kind of authority. I call my wife by her name, not her title. (and certainly not by another woman's name).
I just thought it would be a good topic academically. Isn't that why we are here? To Learn, share, edify, ....
 

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not with a bunch of J's and V's.
the 'J' and 'V' come from early German Bibles that put 'Jehovah' for YHWH

in German '
J' is pronounced like 'Y' in English, and 'W' is pronounced like 'V' in English.
'
V' in German can be pronounced in a few subtle ways, but usually like an hard 'F' in English.

i don't know how helpful this information is, but at least when you meet a JW you can tell them quite factually that their cult's name is definitely a mispronounced German word, which i find hilarious.

. . . the ones i have met don't seem to share my sense of humor, weirdly?
 

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YHWH is Ancient Hebrew. NOT Modern Hebrew. The letter is WAW and NEVER expressed as a V.
I'm pretty sure that Yiddish is NOT a Germanic language.

Ex3 clearly portrays God telling Moses to tell them "I am who I am". This is a descriptor. God follows this with:

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YHWH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (Exodus 3:13-15)

YHWH being his name. Elohim is a title or descriptor meaning heavenly being.
While in Israel, I was blessed to have several Kibbutz families. The family I spent most time with was composed of Jews from A"rgintina, Rumania, Germany, and Issrael. I was given to speak to the father in Spanish, the mother in French, the Bubba in German, and the child in Hebrew and French since myu Hebrew was new to me there. I was obliged to use German n conversing with the Graqndfather for He spoke to me in Yiddish. Now I did and do know a very small bit of Yiddish, so conversing with him was not too difficult.
The saving grace of tis situation was that when I did not understand one, another woud fill it in for me in his or her language.

As for the original vav pronunciation, you may count that as my accent, and recall also that the scholars are the ones who traqnslated all of the versions of the Word b eginning with Torah, the wirtings and thwe prophets. I do not give much creddit to this intellectual system of vogine. rather I tend to do as oBLIO
 
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Throughout the Bible it is clear that GOD wants his name to be known and proclaimed.
In this day and age we can easily figure out that his name is YHWH (Pronounced Yahuah).
His name is always replaced with a Title, "the Lord". (about 6,800 times).
Can anyone explain why this has not been corrected? (IN ANY mainstream Bible).

Jesus is YHWH.


The Name that the eternal Godhead has chosen to represent it s JESUS.


Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; Colossians 2:8-9



Jesus is the name God has chosen to reveal to mankind; the name above ALL NAMES.


Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11



The name of the Father given to the Son —

Words of Christ in red:


I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. John 17:11 NIV



  • protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me







JPT
 

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Although the subject here is not about the Gospel or salvation, we do know that God does not change. They even had sacrifices and Sabbath in the days of Adam and Eve. The OP is suggesting that God does want his Name known, not just titles which can be used to describe anyone with any kind of authority. I call my wife by her name, not her title. (and certainly not by another woman's name).
I just thought it would be a good topic academically. Isn't that why we are here? To Learn, share, edify, ....
on that point my opinion is that "Yah" is almost certainly correct.
but the rest of the Tetragrammaton -- a lot of people have a lot of strong opinions, but i don't think we can be sure


therefore the OP question IMO isn't answered by 'yeah this is definitely correct vowels and pronunciation for YHWH... no idea why no one else can figure it out it's so easy'
but the answer to the OP question is the answer to '
why has God chosen to hide His name and given us Jesus?'


if that makes sense?
i have YAH - i have the beginning of His name. i have Jesus - i know Yah is Salvation.
i am a betrothed bride, and when our marriage is consummated, He will give me a new name, and tell me His full name, and i will know Him fully, as i am fully known
 
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Throughout the Bible it is clear that GOD wants his name to be known and proclaimed.
In this day and age we can easily figure out that his name is YHWH (Pronounced Yahuah).
His name is always replaced with a Title, "the Lord". (about 6,800 times).
Can anyone explain why this has not been corrected? (IN ANY mainstream Bible).
God is known by several names in the Bible, including Creator, et al.

The Lord is a different setting name than God...although the same person.

Why are you limiting Him to one name....if I understand correctly ......is Hebrew....and is a Jewish name reference?
Further, what is the point you wish to achieve?
 
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God is known by several names in the Bible, including Creator, et al.

Why are you limiting Him to one name....if I understand correctly ......is Hebrew....and is a Jewish name reference?
Further, what is the point you wish to accompolish?
Lord is His title, God is His nature or identity, only YHVH is His name.
 

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YHWH is Ancient Hebrew. NOT Modern Hebrew. The letter is WAW and NEVER expressed as a V.
I'm pretty sure that Yiddish is NOT a Germanic language.

Ex3 clearly portrays God telling Moses to tell them "I am who I am". This is a descriptor. God follows this with:

"
YHWH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (Exodus 3:13-15)

YHWH being his name. Elohim is a title or descriptor meaning heavenly being.
While in Israel, I was blessed to have several Kibbutz families. The family I spent most time with was composed of Jews from Argentine, Rumania, Germany, and Israeli. I was given to speak to the father in Spanish, the mother in French, the Bubba in German, and the child in Hebrew and French since my Hebrew was new to me there. I was obliged to use German n conversing with the Grandfather for He spoke to me in Yiddish. Now I did and do know a very small bit of Yiddish, so conversing with him was not too difficult.
The saving grace of tis situation was that when I did not understand one, another wood fill it in for me in his or her language.

As for the original vav pronunciation, you may count that as my accent, and recall also that the scholars are the ones who translated all of the versions of the Word beginning with Torah, the writings and the prophets. I do not give much credit to this intellectual system of voting. rather I tend to do as Oblio, I say it as it was given to me.

The jury is out on what you have decided is true, and what you have decided about is not terribly important regarding salvation, so I do not worry about my pronounce or yours.

You should check on the origin of Yiddish more closely.
 

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God is known by several names in the Bible, including Creator, et al.

Why are you limiting Him to one name....if I understand correctly ......is Hebrew....and is a Jewish name reference?
Further, what is the point you wish to achieve?
God is known by many Titles. Only ONE Name. YHWH

Ex 6
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord YHWH:

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah YHWH was I not known to them.

"by my name YHWH was I known to them". The word "Yadda" never means "not known"
 
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The text of the Ten Commandments according to the Book of Exodus begins:

I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
– Exodus 20:2-6 (WEB)​
According to the Hebrew bible, Yahweh is the personal (proper) name of the God of Israel.[3] that was revealed to Moses in the account of the bush.[4] Many English translations render the Hebrew YHWH as “LORD” or “Jehovah” but modern scholarship suggests that “Yahweh” is a more reasonable English rendering. The introduction to the Ten Commandments establishes the identity of God by both his personal name and his historical act of delivering Israel from Egypt. The language and pattern reflects that of ancient royal treaties in which a great king identified himself and his previous gracious acts toward a subject king or people.[5] Establishing his identity through the use of the proper name, Yahweh, and his mighty acts in history distinguishes Yahweh from the gods of Egypt which were judged in the killing of Egypt’s firstborn,[6] and from the gods of Canaan, the gods of the gentile nations, and the gods that are worshipped as idols, starry hosts, or things found in nature, and the gods known by other proper names.[7] So distinguished, Yahweh demands exclusive allegiance.[8] “I am the LORD your God” occurs a number of other times in the Bible also.

By saying, “I am the LORD (Yahweh) your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery,” God introduces himself by name to establish his authority behind the stipulations that follow. The implicit imperative is to believe that God exists and that his proper name is “Yahweh.” This verse also serves as the motive clause for the following imperatives. Since Yahweh alone freed Israel from Egypt, he is Israel’s King, hence its legislator. Yahweh alone is also Israel’s God, and the worship of other gods is prohibited as the central doctrine of Biblical religion.[9][10][11] From: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Ten_Commandments/I_am_the_Lord_your_God

When our Jewish Friends hear us praising Yahweh, they know our God is the Same God as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob also.
 
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You are splitting hairs and for what purpose?
For the purpose that you don't name yourself by your job title or your ethnic identity. You are not your job or your job. A lot of names in the bible reflect the character of the bearer. When Moses asked in the name of what god should he return and speak to the Israelites, the answer was I AM, that was God telling him that He was none of those man made idols, nobody created Him, He was and is and will be the Creator of the universe.
 
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For the purpose that you don't name yourself by your job title or your ethnic identity. You are not your job or your job. A lot of names in the bible reflect the character of the bearer. When Moses asked in the name of what god should he return and speak to the Israelites, the answer was I AM, that was God telling him that He was none of those man made idols, nobody created Him, He was and is and will be the Creator of the universe.
Here is the question I present...are you saying that the reference of the name...God...is in appropriate....incorrect....insufficient....etc or what? Example...should we be using Our Creator instead of God? ....Should we use I AM instead of others mentioned here?

To your point is important for reasonable comment. Just trying to assist.
 

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The reason I believe God's name to be Yahuah rather than Yahweh can be illustrated in the name ELIJAH.
This name in Hebrew is EliYAHU meaning "my God is Yahu" or "Yah is God"
When the letters YAD-HEI are used, it is pronounced "YAH"
When the WAW is added (YAD-HEI-WAW), it is pronounced "YAHU"
It's the same with Jerimiah (YIRMIYAHU). It is well precedented.

Just my take on it. Like I said before, I usually use "God" and "Jesus". This is just a matter of the discussion topic.