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What you said here does not seem to prove your point totally.
You understanding of parables seems literal. From what you wrote a man can not get to heaven with out a wedding garment. Therefor it must be on earth? But if it is on earth after the tabulation he can then be cast to hell or some other outer darkness place where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Is that a New York place? jk
You understanding of parables seems literal. From what you wrote a man can not get to heaven with out a wedding garment. Therefor it must be on earth? But if it is on earth after the tabulation he can then be cast to hell or some other outer darkness place where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Is that a New York place? jk
Well, it cannot be the Church for She is a SHE and not a HE.
God never refers to His Bride as a HE - that would be a perversion of Scripture = Rev 19 "and the Bride has made HERSELF ready"
Remember this: "HE who has the Bride is the Bridegroom" - John 3:29
Who do we know there is a HE and HE stands against satan in scripture?
It could be this Guy =But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses, did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
It could be the Holy Spirit, who also is referred to as HE.
Notice that the scripture does not say 'raptured away' or removed off the earth
Have you ever heard of a 'Bouncer'? A Big Strong Guy who job was to stand at the door and not let anybody thru that door unless they were given the OK by him.
So we have two possible 'HE' Bouncers that have withheld satan from manifesting in the AC.
Peace
God never refers to His Bride as a HE - that would be a perversion of Scripture = Rev 19 "and the Bride has made HERSELF ready"
Remember this: "HE who has the Bride is the Bridegroom" - John 3:29
Who do we know there is a HE and HE stands against satan in scripture?
It could be this Guy =But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses, did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
It could be the Holy Spirit, who also is referred to as HE.
Notice that the scripture does not say 'raptured away' or removed off the earth
Have you ever heard of a 'Bouncer'? A Big Strong Guy who job was to stand at the door and not let anybody thru that door unless they were given the OK by him.
So we have two possible 'HE' Bouncers that have withheld satan from manifesting in the AC.
Peace
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We just read where Jesus descends to rapture His Bride: 1 Thess 4:16-18
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven
with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven
with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.
I agree, that is why the scripture does not say HE is taken away, instead the scripture says HE is taken out of the way.
The Holy Spirit will not leave the earth until the LORD Comes for His Bride/His Saints.
Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you."
Hebrews 13:4-5
The Apostles Paul and John say the focus is on His Bride and the Bride is focused on His Second Coming.
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
The Holy Spirit will not leave the earth until the LORD Comes for His Bride/His Saints.
Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you."
Hebrews 13:4-5
The Apostles Paul and John say the focus is on His Bride and the Bride is focused on His Second Coming.
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
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Of course we will meet Him in the air - why wouldn't we........no where does the Scripture say that Christ must first place His Feet on the ground BEFORE HE resurrects the dead and raptures those who are alive at His Coming.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
no apology needed but thank you anyways for the good spirit offered there
“To your point, how would you reconcile "it is appointed unto men once to die" with the fact that the saints who are yet alive at Christ's second coming will be raptured without ever dying?”
well to understand most of my positions like for instance what your asking there it comes from things Jesus said , this one particular we in Christ have died once , by faith
So this sort of idea I’m taking by faith rather than sight and counting that as the appointed death for a believer only through baptism who hear his word
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-6, 9-11 KJV
So I’m counting that as of Christ died for us who believe which reconciles that point he took our place in death , that we may live having passed through death with him .
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
Hebrews 2:9, 14-15 KJV
Rome it’s just a matter of hearing and believing but I’m not claiming I’m right just offering my own take smoother parts of doctrine come into line
“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
2 Corinthians 5:16-17 KJV
“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
Colossians 3:1-3 KJV
I’m looking at it by what I believe is faith believing the word , rather than what I see when I look at my aging and dying body , I believe when my body gives way and fails , I will never enter death as non believers I believe tether there is an eternal kingdom waiting where those who are resurrected this way in faith are currently and will be gathered until the end
I don’t believe they are part of the last resurrection but of the one present Jesus was talking about before he then explained of a second one to come in John 5
I hope this clears up my own view but there’s so much doctrine hat follows this line of thinking is what’s convinced me the whole New Testament really is modeled through christs death , our inclusion into it , and his resurrection and our inclusion into it
but again it’s only my own way of seeing it I realize others don’t see it the same and respect everyone’s views also
“To your point, how would you reconcile "it is appointed unto men once to die" with the fact that the saints who are yet alive at Christ's second coming will be raptured without ever dying?”
well to understand most of my positions like for instance what your asking there it comes from things Jesus said , this one particular we in Christ have died once , by faith
So this sort of idea I’m taking by faith rather than sight and counting that as the appointed death for a believer only through baptism who hear his word
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-6, 9-11 KJV
So I’m counting that as of Christ died for us who believe which reconciles that point he took our place in death , that we may live having passed through death with him .
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
Hebrews 2:9, 14-15 KJV
Rome it’s just a matter of hearing and believing but I’m not claiming I’m right just offering my own take smoother parts of doctrine come into line
“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
2 Corinthians 5:16-17 KJV
“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
Colossians 3:1-3 KJV
I’m looking at it by what I believe is faith believing the word , rather than what I see when I look at my aging and dying body , I believe when my body gives way and fails , I will never enter death as non believers I believe tether there is an eternal kingdom waiting where those who are resurrected this way in faith are currently and will be gathered until the end
I don’t believe they are part of the last resurrection but of the one present Jesus was talking about before he then explained of a second one to come in John 5
I hope this clears up my own view but there’s so much doctrine hat follows this line of thinking is what’s convinced me the whole New Testament really is modeled through christs death , our inclusion into it , and his resurrection and our inclusion into it
but again it’s only my own way of seeing it I realize others don’t see it the same and respect everyone’s views also
If you say so. If I was you would not show your post to an English teacher.
I will just try harder to understand what you are trying to say.
Seems I get to choices. I am guessing you are saying is, Would you want to know him or do your want to know him.
Looks like you want to put me in your not saved place. The two choices seem to have the same out come. You trying to introduce me to the truth. Is that correct?
I will just try harder to understand what you are trying to say.
Seems I get to choices. I am guessing you are saying is, Would you want to know him or do your want to know him.
Looks like you want to put me in your not saved place. The two choices seem to have the same out come. You trying to introduce me to the truth. Is that correct?
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Saint i want to ask a serious question that ive never really asked before. Of anyone .
I know your stance on pre trib and all that but in all honesty do you think God would allow the faithful to go through the trib. To watch their love ones be violated, tortured, murdered, starved, humiliated, beyond your wildest dreams.
Do you honestly think he would allow us to face that kind of torment and use that as a pulpit to preach a loving father who want to forgive our sins and save us?
Do you honestly think that you a mere man not devine could over come that? That your faith is that great.?
Look back at the holocaust times that by 100 and put yourself in there as a jew and your loved ones and friends for several years.
Scripture tells us.... to be saved from the wrath which is to come. Whos wrath? Gods wrath.
I know your stance on pre trib and all that but in all honesty do you think God would allow the faithful to go through the trib. To watch their love ones be violated, tortured, murdered, starved, humiliated, beyond your wildest dreams.
Do you honestly think he would allow us to face that kind of torment and use that as a pulpit to preach a loving father who want to forgive our sins and save us?
Do you honestly think that you a mere man not devine could over come that? That your faith is that great.?
Look back at the holocaust times that by 100 and put yourself in there as a jew and your loved ones and friends for several years.
Scripture tells us.... to be saved from the wrath which is to come. Whos wrath? Gods wrath.
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That is the whole point basically we get thousands of guesses and no one seemed to know. One day while I was kicking myself for the thousandth time about not being able to explain Daniel 11 in detail, I decided to tackle this chapter once and for all and to do an Exegesis on it and name every king and every player in ever verse and what it all meant, and in so doing I understood that I also had to do Daniel 12 as they were one vision (Daniel 10 also in reality).
So, once I did the hard part in Dan. 11 I was rewarded by God with the key (imho) to understanding all end time prophecy via the timelines. In Dan. 12:1-2 we see the end time resurrection of the Jews has come, then the Man in Linen (Jesus preincarnate) told Daniel to shut up the book until the time of he end when knowledge would be increased and people rant to and fro (NOW...of course).
In verse 6 the Angel (probably Gabriel, maybe be Michael, both were there imo) asked Jesus HOW LONG WILL IT BE UNTIL THE END OF THESE WONDERS (The Dan. 11:36-45 Anti-Christ/Little Horn) and Jesus answers with the "Time, time and half[time] answer, from the time the holy peoples or Israel are conquered until all of these wonders (Dan. 11:36-45) ends will be 1260 days. So, basically he is saying the Anti-Christ will rule over Israel for 1260 days, but what no one knew back then, which we do today, is what ends it, the "Second Coming of Jesus Christ ends all of those wonders, and Dan. 11:45 says so, it says he comes to his end !!
Now, here is where everyone goes off the rails (I know why now, we perceive an event to be someone it is not). So, Daniel still doesn't understand, and wont (LOL) so he asks the exact same question the Angel asked in verse 8, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? Then Jesus says go your way, these things are sealed until the end, but he gives him to more clues via his "QUESTION" !!
Dan. 11:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
We have people that turn these into years, that say these 45 extra days and 75 extra days extend into Jesus' 1000 year reign, you name it, I have heard it brother. But as I was pondering, God blessed me with understanding and wisdom, I saw that which I had never seen before, why would the 1260 be ENDED by the 2nd Coming but not the other two numbers? The question was the exact same question!
So, instead of accepting something, I always try it out first, no fit, no part of God. Could these other two numbers come before the 1260 event, was the 1335 merely 1335 days before the 2nd coming ended all of these wonders, the 1290 merely 1290 days before the 2nd coming ended all of these wonders and the 1260 likewise 1260 days before the 2nd coming ended it all for the Beast and wicked mankind as rulers on this earth? I didn't like my first thought, that would mean the Anti-Christ could have no part in the 1290 because the 1260 would be 30 days later, Oh well, I thought, it looked promising. But God has trained me in the last 5 years to not just trust old understandings in full and to press on, so I did. If something fits in 99 pieces of a 100 piece puzzle, that last piece will fit somewhere.
So, could the Anti-Christ not be the one who takes away the "Sacrifice" and places the AoD in the temple, did that make any sense? This is why God blessed me because of my Exegesis, I had discovered a man named Jason (real name Yeshua) who bribed Antiochus Epiphanes to become the High Priest of Israel, thereby having his own brother, a pious High Priest named Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus on the Altar of God !! Jason then tried to Hellenize the Jews, leading unto the infamous Maccabean Revolt. There it was, we clearly had our TYPE Anti-Christ and our TYPE False Prophet living at the same time almost 2200 years ago, thus the end time False Prophet was going to be a Jewish High Priest !! So, now I had a framework. The 1290 had to be a Jewish High Priest gone rogue and the Anti-Christ must get him to do these things just before he goes forth conquering, if this was correct.
As I looked back to Dan. 9:27 I saw it says "HE CAUSES" the sacrifice and oblation to cease !! Then as I thought about Rev. 13 I remembered it says the 2nd Beast gets mankind to build an IMAGE of the first Beast and demands they all worship him, so that also fit, the FP places the AoD. I was now convinced the Anti-Christ only comes to power 30 days after the 1290, and this also solved another thorny issue I had always been bothered by. I often wondered why God would allow the Anti-Christ to conquer the Jews BEFORE He gave them the sign to flee Judea, that just never made no sense to me, but now the AoD being the False Prophet meant the Jews had 30 days to flee unto the Mountains before the AC was allowed to go forth conquering, everything was coming together !! But hold up, if they FLEE Judea that means Israel has to Repent before the Day of the Lord, did that fit? YES.
Now I understood (took many days) what the 1335 BLESSING was, its the Two-witnesses showing up 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ends all of these wonders. That is truly a blessing unto Israel and it fits scriptures. Malachi 4:5-6 says Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the coming DOTL. In Zechariah 13:8-9 we see that 2/3 of the Jews refuse to repent and will perish, but 1/3 will repent and God will bring them through the fire, try them, then call them His people and they call God their God again. Then in the very next verse in Zechariah 14:1 it says the Day of the Lord has arrived, Israel gets conquered. But the cherry on top was when I said, I KNOW HOW TO TEST THIS...........BOOM.......If the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast by Conquering Israel they must also DIE 75 days before he dies because God has given them both 1260 day Ordained Offices on this earth. I didn't even have to turn the book to Rev. 11 and 16, I knew instantly, the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe and the Beast DIES at the 7th Vial, I got chills !! Its all true In thought to myself.
But what does he TAKES AWAY the Sacrifice really mean with all of this added info? You see it yet? If the Jews repent at the 1335 (3-5 million Jews) and start worshiping Jesus in the temple of God for the next 45 days until the 1290 event, it is thus Jesus Worship this old Jewish High Priest forbids in the temple, then out of spite he places an Image of the E.U. President in the temple. The Covenant is simply an Agreement, Israel becomes part of the E.U. why else would they give up their Nukes? And no one is conquering them until they give up their nukes. God forbids this action in the holy bible. That is the last straw that brings God's Wrath/Judgment. Thinking back now, it blows my mind that I ever, ever thought Jesus and Gabriel (LOL) were ever discussing a FILTHY MEAT SACRIFICE and saying that taking that away would defile the temple, the Meat Sacrifice would be a slap in the face to Jesus, it would be an abomination in and of itself, the Sacrifice that this False Prophet TAKES AWAY is Jesus Worship.
Now all the timelines become clear.
So, once I did the hard part in Dan. 11 I was rewarded by God with the key (imho) to understanding all end time prophecy via the timelines. In Dan. 12:1-2 we see the end time resurrection of the Jews has come, then the Man in Linen (Jesus preincarnate) told Daniel to shut up the book until the time of he end when knowledge would be increased and people rant to and fro (NOW...of course).
In verse 6 the Angel (probably Gabriel, maybe be Michael, both were there imo) asked Jesus HOW LONG WILL IT BE UNTIL THE END OF THESE WONDERS (The Dan. 11:36-45 Anti-Christ/Little Horn) and Jesus answers with the "Time, time and half[time] answer, from the time the holy peoples or Israel are conquered until all of these wonders (Dan. 11:36-45) ends will be 1260 days. So, basically he is saying the Anti-Christ will rule over Israel for 1260 days, but what no one knew back then, which we do today, is what ends it, the "Second Coming of Jesus Christ ends all of those wonders, and Dan. 11:45 says so, it says he comes to his end !!
Now, here is where everyone goes off the rails (I know why now, we perceive an event to be someone it is not). So, Daniel still doesn't understand, and wont (LOL) so he asks the exact same question the Angel asked in verse 8, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? Then Jesus says go your way, these things are sealed until the end, but he gives him to more clues via his "QUESTION" !!
Dan. 11:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
We have people that turn these into years, that say these 45 extra days and 75 extra days extend into Jesus' 1000 year reign, you name it, I have heard it brother. But as I was pondering, God blessed me with understanding and wisdom, I saw that which I had never seen before, why would the 1260 be ENDED by the 2nd Coming but not the other two numbers? The question was the exact same question!
So, instead of accepting something, I always try it out first, no fit, no part of God. Could these other two numbers come before the 1260 event, was the 1335 merely 1335 days before the 2nd coming ended all of these wonders, the 1290 merely 1290 days before the 2nd coming ended all of these wonders and the 1260 likewise 1260 days before the 2nd coming ended it all for the Beast and wicked mankind as rulers on this earth? I didn't like my first thought, that would mean the Anti-Christ could have no part in the 1290 because the 1260 would be 30 days later, Oh well, I thought, it looked promising. But God has trained me in the last 5 years to not just trust old understandings in full and to press on, so I did. If something fits in 99 pieces of a 100 piece puzzle, that last piece will fit somewhere.
So, could the Anti-Christ not be the one who takes away the "Sacrifice" and places the AoD in the temple, did that make any sense? This is why God blessed me because of my Exegesis, I had discovered a man named Jason (real name Yeshua) who bribed Antiochus Epiphanes to become the High Priest of Israel, thereby having his own brother, a pious High Priest named Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus on the Altar of God !! Jason then tried to Hellenize the Jews, leading unto the infamous Maccabean Revolt. There it was, we clearly had our TYPE Anti-Christ and our TYPE False Prophet living at the same time almost 2200 years ago, thus the end time False Prophet was going to be a Jewish High Priest !! So, now I had a framework. The 1290 had to be a Jewish High Priest gone rogue and the Anti-Christ must get him to do these things just before he goes forth conquering, if this was correct.
As I looked back to Dan. 9:27 I saw it says "HE CAUSES" the sacrifice and oblation to cease !! Then as I thought about Rev. 13 I remembered it says the 2nd Beast gets mankind to build an IMAGE of the first Beast and demands they all worship him, so that also fit, the FP places the AoD. I was now convinced the Anti-Christ only comes to power 30 days after the 1290, and this also solved another thorny issue I had always been bothered by. I often wondered why God would allow the Anti-Christ to conquer the Jews BEFORE He gave them the sign to flee Judea, that just never made no sense to me, but now the AoD being the False Prophet meant the Jews had 30 days to flee unto the Mountains before the AC was allowed to go forth conquering, everything was coming together !! But hold up, if they FLEE Judea that means Israel has to Repent before the Day of the Lord, did that fit? YES.
Now I understood (took many days) what the 1335 BLESSING was, its the Two-witnesses showing up 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ends all of these wonders. That is truly a blessing unto Israel and it fits scriptures. Malachi 4:5-6 says Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the coming DOTL. In Zechariah 13:8-9 we see that 2/3 of the Jews refuse to repent and will perish, but 1/3 will repent and God will bring them through the fire, try them, then call them His people and they call God their God again. Then in the very next verse in Zechariah 14:1 it says the Day of the Lord has arrived, Israel gets conquered. But the cherry on top was when I said, I KNOW HOW TO TEST THIS...........BOOM.......If the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast by Conquering Israel they must also DIE 75 days before he dies because God has given them both 1260 day Ordained Offices on this earth. I didn't even have to turn the book to Rev. 11 and 16, I knew instantly, the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe and the Beast DIES at the 7th Vial, I got chills !! Its all true In thought to myself.
But what does he TAKES AWAY the Sacrifice really mean with all of this added info? You see it yet? If the Jews repent at the 1335 (3-5 million Jews) and start worshiping Jesus in the temple of God for the next 45 days until the 1290 event, it is thus Jesus Worship this old Jewish High Priest forbids in the temple, then out of spite he places an Image of the E.U. President in the temple. The Covenant is simply an Agreement, Israel becomes part of the E.U. why else would they give up their Nukes? And no one is conquering them until they give up their nukes. God forbids this action in the holy bible. That is the last straw that brings God's Wrath/Judgment. Thinking back now, it blows my mind that I ever, ever thought Jesus and Gabriel (LOL) were ever discussing a FILTHY MEAT SACRIFICE and saying that taking that away would defile the temple, the Meat Sacrifice would be a slap in the face to Jesus, it would be an abomination in and of itself, the Sacrifice that this False Prophet TAKES AWAY is Jesus Worship.
Now all the timelines become clear.
That's correct. And let's not forget the Rapture of the two witnesses or two prophets after their resurrection. However, we need to take the doctrIne of the Rapture line by line:
Seventeen Truths about the Rapture
1. NO IGNORANCE, NO DESPAIRING SORROW FOR THE SAINTS
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
2. IT IS GOD THROUGH CHRIST WHO BRINGS SOULS AND SPIRITS FROM HEAVEN
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
3. CHRIST HIMSELF ASSURES OUR RESURRECTION AND TRANSFORMATION
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [precede] them which are asleep [dead].
4. THE LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FOR THE RESURRECTED SAINTS
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
5. THE LORD HIMSELF WILL TRANSFORM THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AT HIS COMING
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
6. WE ARE TO TAKE COMFORT IN THE RAPTURE SINCE IT IS THE BLESSED HOPE
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
7. THERE MUST BE NO DATE SETTING FOR THE RAPTURE
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
8. THE RAPTURE WILL BE SUDDEN, UNEXPECTED, AND UNDISCLOSED TO THE WORLD
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
9. FOR THE WORLD: A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
10. THE SAINTS SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED AT THE RAPTURE
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
11. THE SAINTS ARE CHILDREN OF LIGHT, NOT CHILDREN OF DARKNESS
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
12. THE SAINTS ARE TO BE WATCHFUL -- THE RAPTURE CAN OCCUR AT ANY MOMENT
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
13. THE UNSAVED WILL SLEEP AND BE DRUNK WHEN THE RAPTURE OCCURS
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
14. FAITH, LOVE, HOPE, SALVATION: THE KEY INGREDIENTS
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. [Note: the Resurrection/Rapture is the culmination of salvation, which is the perfection and glorification of the saints]
15. GOD HAS NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH: WHY THE SAINTS DO NOT GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
16. CHRISTIANS LIVE WITH CHRIST ETERNALLY AND ARE NOT SUBJECT TO DAMNATION
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
17. COMFORT FOR OURSELVES, EDIFICATION FOR OTHERS BECAUSE OF THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
Seventeen Truths about the Rapture
1. NO IGNORANCE, NO DESPAIRING SORROW FOR THE SAINTS
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
2. IT IS GOD THROUGH CHRIST WHO BRINGS SOULS AND SPIRITS FROM HEAVEN
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
3. CHRIST HIMSELF ASSURES OUR RESURRECTION AND TRANSFORMATION
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [precede] them which are asleep [dead].
4. THE LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FOR THE RESURRECTED SAINTS
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
5. THE LORD HIMSELF WILL TRANSFORM THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AT HIS COMING
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
6. WE ARE TO TAKE COMFORT IN THE RAPTURE SINCE IT IS THE BLESSED HOPE
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
7. THERE MUST BE NO DATE SETTING FOR THE RAPTURE
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
8. THE RAPTURE WILL BE SUDDEN, UNEXPECTED, AND UNDISCLOSED TO THE WORLD
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
9. FOR THE WORLD: A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
10. THE SAINTS SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED AT THE RAPTURE
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
11. THE SAINTS ARE CHILDREN OF LIGHT, NOT CHILDREN OF DARKNESS
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
12. THE SAINTS ARE TO BE WATCHFUL -- THE RAPTURE CAN OCCUR AT ANY MOMENT
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
13. THE UNSAVED WILL SLEEP AND BE DRUNK WHEN THE RAPTURE OCCURS
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
14. FAITH, LOVE, HOPE, SALVATION: THE KEY INGREDIENTS
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. [Note: the Resurrection/Rapture is the culmination of salvation, which is the perfection and glorification of the saints]
15. GOD HAS NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH: WHY THE SAINTS DO NOT GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
16. CHRISTIANS LIVE WITH CHRIST ETERNALLY AND ARE NOT SUBJECT TO DAMNATION
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
17. COMFORT FOR OURSELVES, EDIFICATION FOR OTHERS BECAUSE OF THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
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I am Pre Trib, but the Second Coming will be with us the Church and Angels by his side. Rev. 14 is The Harvest Chapter, the 144,000 are simply the 3-5 million Jews(Wheat who have to be crushed) who come unto Christ, then in verses 17-20 we see the Wine-press of His Wrath Harvest the Grapes. BUT...in a Flash back to the Pre Trb Rapture in verse 14 we are Harvested by Jesus from upon a cloud. We are the Barley First-fruits, Barley doesn't need to be crushed to be sifted, Wheat does.
As per the Day nor the Hour, allow me to explain why tat can only mean Pre Trib and why it proves the Pre Trib Rapture 100 percent. Most people do not understand what it means, when I tell the mid and post tribbers they run and hide (LOL) pretending they didn't see it, they are too invested in "THEIR UNDESTANDINGS".
God gave Israel a History Lesson in the 7 Feasts, they told everything that would happen to both the Jews and the Gentiles in all history as per unto God. They were called Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals). So, the 3 spring and fall Feats are about Israel, the Summer Harvest (Church Age) is about the Time of the Gentiles). This is so easy, but they can't admit it is truth, so they dodge it. Or come in with some nonsensical quip.
Three Spring Feast that Jesus has already fulfilled.
1.) Feast of Passover, (he even died at exactly 9:00 AM, he is our Passover).
2.) Feast of Unleavened Bread (Jesus was WITHOUT SIN)
3.) Feast of First-fruits (Jesus was the first-fruits of the grave, Amen.)
Summer Harvest/Church Age
4.) Feast of Weeks/Pentecost/Harvest/Church Age ( Jesus is harvesting souls via us his Church, this was always all alone on the calendar unto itself, just like the Time of the Gentiles. But what always ended the Harvest? The LAST TRUMP !! The New Year was always celebrated when the New Moon came in, but since Israel is on a Lunar Calendar, they had to send out two witnesses to spy on the moon, it could always come in over a two day period of time, thus then could not know the "Exact day nor hour" to sound the Trumpets that would end the Harvest. When they two witnesses sent back word, they sounded the Shofar in 9 sets of 11 or 99 times, and then with the 190th Trump, or with the LAST TRUMP it sounded Longer & Louder than the other 99 and thus the LAST TRUMP Paul was speaking of was the one which will end the Gentile Harvest of Souls (Church Age) and then we will be taken to Heaven, in spite of their protestations (LOL) and we will Marry the Lamb and reside with Jesus for 7 Years BUT, Now Israel is back on the prophetic clock on earth !! That will cover the other 3 Feasts.
Fall Feasts yet to come to pass
5.) Feast of Trumps ( I explained this above because Jesus blows that Trump as Rev. 4:1 says, but the Trumpets also ANOUNCE that the Feasts of Atonement and Tabernacle are nigh at hand.)
6.) Feast of Atonement ( Who is it that is Prophesied to gave to repent before the 70th week can come to pass? Israel !! Who Repents in Zechariah 13:8-9 (1/3 or 3-5 million) just before the DOTL arrives in Zechariah 14:1 ? Israel, do you see how EVERY FEAST was Just God telling Israel ahead of time the whole history of the world to come back over 3500 years ago? LOL, Glory to God.
7.) The Feast of Tabernacles (to TABERNACLE means to Dwell with God !! So, Jesus sets u the Kingdom Age in Jerusalem, amongst his 3-5 million Jewish brothers, thus Israel will be DWELLING with God.)
That is just about all we need to know, Amen. The number 8 is New Beginnings, so I guess the New Heaven and New Earth is number 8.
Hope I didn't confuse you into thinking I am Pre Trib.
God Bless
As per the Day nor the Hour, allow me to explain why tat can only mean Pre Trib and why it proves the Pre Trib Rapture 100 percent. Most people do not understand what it means, when I tell the mid and post tribbers they run and hide (LOL) pretending they didn't see it, they are too invested in "THEIR UNDESTANDINGS".
God gave Israel a History Lesson in the 7 Feasts, they told everything that would happen to both the Jews and the Gentiles in all history as per unto God. They were called Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals). So, the 3 spring and fall Feats are about Israel, the Summer Harvest (Church Age) is about the Time of the Gentiles). This is so easy, but they can't admit it is truth, so they dodge it. Or come in with some nonsensical quip.
Three Spring Feast that Jesus has already fulfilled.
1.) Feast of Passover, (he even died at exactly 9:00 AM, he is our Passover).
2.) Feast of Unleavened Bread (Jesus was WITHOUT SIN)
3.) Feast of First-fruits (Jesus was the first-fruits of the grave, Amen.)
Summer Harvest/Church Age
4.) Feast of Weeks/Pentecost/Harvest/Church Age ( Jesus is harvesting souls via us his Church, this was always all alone on the calendar unto itself, just like the Time of the Gentiles. But what always ended the Harvest? The LAST TRUMP !! The New Year was always celebrated when the New Moon came in, but since Israel is on a Lunar Calendar, they had to send out two witnesses to spy on the moon, it could always come in over a two day period of time, thus then could not know the "Exact day nor hour" to sound the Trumpets that would end the Harvest. When they two witnesses sent back word, they sounded the Shofar in 9 sets of 11 or 99 times, and then with the 190th Trump, or with the LAST TRUMP it sounded Longer & Louder than the other 99 and thus the LAST TRUMP Paul was speaking of was the one which will end the Gentile Harvest of Souls (Church Age) and then we will be taken to Heaven, in spite of their protestations (LOL) and we will Marry the Lamb and reside with Jesus for 7 Years BUT, Now Israel is back on the prophetic clock on earth !! That will cover the other 3 Feasts.
Fall Feasts yet to come to pass
5.) Feast of Trumps ( I explained this above because Jesus blows that Trump as Rev. 4:1 says, but the Trumpets also ANOUNCE that the Feasts of Atonement and Tabernacle are nigh at hand.)
6.) Feast of Atonement ( Who is it that is Prophesied to gave to repent before the 70th week can come to pass? Israel !! Who Repents in Zechariah 13:8-9 (1/3 or 3-5 million) just before the DOTL arrives in Zechariah 14:1 ? Israel, do you see how EVERY FEAST was Just God telling Israel ahead of time the whole history of the world to come back over 3500 years ago? LOL, Glory to God.
7.) The Feast of Tabernacles (to TABERNACLE means to Dwell with God !! So, Jesus sets u the Kingdom Age in Jerusalem, amongst his 3-5 million Jewish brothers, thus Israel will be DWELLING with God.)
That is just about all we need to know, Amen. The number 8 is New Beginnings, so I guess the New Heaven and New Earth is number 8.
Hope I didn't confuse you into thinking I am Pre Trib.
God Bless