Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?

[Roughsoul1991]

I'm all for advice, as long as it's good advice.

The "blah, blah, blah" was in relation to the common LIE that is being taught by others.

It has nothing at all to do with me being arrogant.

As far as my "are you ready?" question is concerned, experience (like over the last 33+ years) has shown me that some people aren't.

In other words, it's hard for them to recognize that they've been deceived for so long.

Anyhow, out of all the truths that I shared (and they are all truths), it's somewhat disheartening that that's all that you had to comment on.

Incidentally, I had a rather long encounter with a "Christian" movie producer a while back.

He is the one who produced the heretical nonsense "Before the Wrath" which is based upon a book about this alleged "traditional Jewish wedding".

I offered him scripture after scripture after scripture to refute this nonsense, and what was his response?

He not only never even attempted to refute anything that I shared with him and his followers on his page, but he instead eventually deleted all of my posts, blocked me, and continued to produce and sell a movie which will potentially deceive thousands if not millions of people.

Is that a small matter to you?

It's not a small matter to me because I care enough about my fellow man to intervene in order that he is not deceived.

Furthermore, I also contacted Kevin Sorbo about this whole matter, seeing how he was asked to narrate the farce.

I don't know if he ever read any of my pleas for him not to do so or not, but he did ultimately narrate the deceptive charade.

Again, shouldn't I care about such things?

Do you care enough about your fellow man to tell them the truth?

Tell the truth in love also means we watch how we speak. Not to filter truth but there are good and bad ways to communicate. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You are missing the point. You posted from a letter that you think means the church will be raptured before the Great Tribulation. It says no such thing. I counter that with a letter that promises tribulation which obviously negates the intent of your use of that other letter.

You provided your interpretation. I believe the 7 churches were real but also have prophetic guidance for churches today.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

There are indeed two stages, not three, but you get the gist, we are Raptured Pre Trib, then Jesus shows up to start the Kingdom Age in Israel for 1000 years, and at that time the Martyred Saints of the 70th week will be raised, they alone (Rev. 20:4) will live and reign on earth with Jesus for the 1000 years says Rev. 20:4. So, its a Pre trib Rapture/Resurrection and a Post Jesus Resurrection, but he also Harvests the Jews and the (who are the 144,000, nowhere in the bible does not say they preach and save people, that is the wildest stuff tat EVERYONE REPEATSS but it is not true). The 144,000 and TH-he Woman are both stand ins for Israel, as in the Woman = the Gen 37:9 passage, and the 144,000 means the same thing as the 7000 God stated He had saved unto Himself, its a number with a meaning, times a number with a meaning, which multiplies the MEANING as of Gid is shouting this is ALL Israel [who repent]

7 is divine completion, 10 is completion, thus 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000 or ALL Israel.

12 is Fulness and 10 completion, thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or AL Israel.

God is not choosing any perfect number, that would be Calvinism. God is not going to give out Hs plans in full, he's just telling us it ALL Israel who repent via numbers. The 10 Commandments stand fir all God's Laws. The 10 Plagues, in Rev. 2:10 the Smyrna Church was to have tribulation 10 days, which meant for the complete Church Age (Muslim territory for 1200-1400 years now). We have the 10 Kings and 10 toes in Daniel which simply means ALL Europe, its the E.U. and there are 25-27 nations (who knows what the UK is really doing). In Rev. 5 we see the 7 eyes and 7 spirits, God sees all and is everywhere. The 7 Churches represent all of the Church Age etc. etc. etc.

Those 144,000 are simply Israel fleeing Judea at the AoD just before the Trumpet Judgments (God's Wrath Falls) in the middle of the week. That is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8 and why God says HOLD UP the four winds (Judgments) until the 144,000 are sealed (they have the holy spirit and are protected in the Petra/Bozrah area. Those "144,000" need to be protected just like the Woman in Rev. 18 because they are the fleeing Jews who repented.

Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 will repent and that 2/3 will be cut-off, then in the very next verse, in Zechariah 14:1 we see the Day of the Lord ARRIVES, Israel is THEN conquered in verse 2 and then in verses 3-4 onward Jesus arrives at the 2nd coming to defeat the Beast an his minions.

Now, you have a mission, go find where they preach, ANYWHERE, you will be surprised, its just a legend. In Rev. 14 you will see an Angel is called to preach the gospel unto the whole world.

P.S. If you are saying Jesus was the #1 Resurrection I understand. I was speaking about at the VERY END of time.

I agree and yes a glorified resurrection only became a reality beginning with Jesus is what I was referring to.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

THINK....its unto the Church of Smyrna, so that a Church Age Tribulation, ole EW will conflate the issues. The 10 days = Tribulation for the complete (10 represents completion) Church Age. Why are we speaking about the 70th week when the Church will nit be here? Because THEY do not understand what we u understand lol. So, they are able, at times, to conflate the issues unto us and get us off track, if we don't pay attention. All because you see to them its perfectly logical, they think (in error) that the Church goes through the 70th week, but we will be sipping lemonade in Heaven.

It can be confusing speaking to 5 different people with different believes lol. But I agree, it isn't complicated but I also just practice grace in these areas. I think someone could be completely wrong about eschatology but still have salvation.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The Church and the martyrs are one and the same. The Great Tribulation is gonna separate the wheat from the chaff. Until then, the Church can't be clearly defined, you'll never know who's wheat and who's chaff.

The church is mainly Gentiles who are raptured. The martyrs are going to be Jews and Gentiles who receive Christ during the tribulation period.

 

[pottersclay]

We are not appointed to wrath...your argument is with scripture.

Each time the Lords wrath was kindled against Israel it was for correction. Not to destroy the nation but to save those out of it that repented and turned from their evil ways. A remnant.
Reading revelation you will see this happening. So is the tribulation wrath....yes.
You will also see that the wrath of God brings peace throughout the world for a thousand yrs.
Fulfilling the prophecies.
Some say that we will see this great tribulation and go through it. If that is your view then i ask why would a good father punish a obedient son? Wouldnt that take away the glory of the only begotten? Who had given us the promise of salvation.
Mind you not all the church is to escape... but those who are looking for the bridegroom. Thoses who are expecting, nd whos lamps are not of a dry wick but with oil. Which burn bright in the night.

 

[JTB]

That is indeed one interpretation to say the tribulation events started in 70AD. But to me that doesn't fit the txt or the 7 year timeline with the antichrist.

That's not what I said.

But, to your point, I believe tribulation started the moment Christ ascended. What we see in the final 7 year period is nothing new, It's just on a much larger scale than ever before.

 

[Live4Him2]

Tell the truth in love also means we watch how we speak. Not to filter truth but there are good and bad ways to communicate. I'll leave it at that.

This is nothing more/less than you straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel.

In other words, you're nitpicking for things which aren't even there to begin with while simultaneously ignoring all of the truths that I've shared.

Do you care to address any of THE TRUTHS that I shared in the post that you've now ignored twice?

What about the truths in the other post that I directed towards you which you've yet to acknowledge?

It's almost funny (actually, it's scary) to see you accuse me of such things as "arrogance" when you're the one who is presently believing in and propagating A LIE.

That's not something that the humble do.

Just a friendly reminder.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The church is mainly Gentiles who are raptured. The martyrs are going to be Jews and Gentiles who receive Christ during the tribulation period.

Yeah I’ve heard a lot about it, that a small pack of faithful Philadelphians will be “spared from the trial”, while all the lukewarm Laodiceans are left behind to be martyred. That’s nothing but a false sense of security.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

That's not what I said.

But, to your point, I believe tribulation started the moment Christ ascended. What we see in the final 7 year period is nothing new, It's just on a much larger scale than ever before.

I could agree that the birth pains of the end to come was seen right after Jesus ascended as many apostles were preparing for the end in their lifetime.

But yes the great trib will be a much much large-scale.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

This is nothing more/less than you straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel.

In other words, you're nitpicking for things which aren't even there to begin with while simultaneously ignoring all of the truths that I've shared.

Do you care to address any of THE TRUTHS that I shared in the post that you've now ignored twice?

What about the truths in the other post that I directed towards you which you've yet to acknowledge?

It's almost funny (actually, it's scary) to see you accuse me of such things as "arrogance" when you're the one who is presently believing in and propagating A LIE.

That's not something that the humble do.

Just a friendly reminder.

If you say so, good day.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Yeah I’ve heard a lot about it, that a small pack of faithful Philadelphians will be “spared from the trial”, while all the lukewarm Laodiceans are left behind to be martyred. That’s nothing but a false sense of security.

Not really. The churches are also prophetic warnings or praises. If a church today was faithful or lukewarm then if the rapture occurred today, only one will be saved from the judgments.

It is actually a positive sense of security. If you are secure in Christ then you are saved.

 

[Live4Him2]

If you say so, good day.

Yet another meaningless response that you've given instead of addressing any of THE TRUTHS which I've presented here and which refute the error that you're propagating here.

No surprise.

In the future, I won't even bother to acknowledge such meaningless posts as this, but, instead, I'll continue to refute the absolute lies surrounding the alleged pre-tribulation rapture as time permits me to.

 

[DavidTree]

I agree and yes a glorified resurrection only became a reality beginning with Jesus is what I was referring to.

What must occur in order for the Resurrection to occur?

 

[DavidTree]

We are not appointed to wrath...your argument is with scripture.

Each time the Lords wrath was kindled against Israel it was for correction. Not to destroy the nation but to save those out of it that repented and turned from their evil ways. A remnant.
Reading revelation you will see this happening. So is the tribulation wrath....yes.
You will also see that the wrath of God brings peace throughout the world for a thousand yrs.
Fulfilling the prophecies.
Some say that we will see this great tribulation and go through it. If that is your view then i ask why would a good father punish a obedient son? Wouldnt that take away the glory of the only begotten? Who had given us the promise of salvation.
Mind you not all the church is to escape... but those who are looking for the bridegroom. Thoses who are expecting, nd whos lamps are not of a dry wick but with oil. Which burn bright in the night.

AGREE: God has not appointed us to His wrath.

This does not suggest any type of pre-trib raptured as falsely assumed by many.

Hold fast to the whole counsel of God.

Read 1 Thess & 2 Thess , 1 John , and Revelation again.

 

[Rondonmon]

2 Thess 2:3, the Man of Sin (or Lawless One) must be revealed first.

That is not what it actually says, The DEPARTURE [of the church] AND the Anti-Christ must both happen before the Wrath of God falls. The first 7 English translations had Departure not Falling Away, the KJV twisted it because they were trying to slight the RCC by saying they had Departed the Faith ot fell away from Christ. Now go read the passage again, nowhere does it speak about faith, but it does speak about a Gathering unto Christ in the very first verse!! So, what makes sense, they were not to fear because the Anti-Christ had to come first? Well, since they knew not the day nor hour he could have shown up the very next day, and thus God's wrath could fall in one week. But..........if God's Wrath can't show up until the Church Departs AND the AC shows up then thy do not have to fear, because they will not be in the Wrath of God. I wrote a blog on this years ago, or I copied and pasted something, I forget now.

The Departure got changed (morphed into Apostacy) like the word GAY has been changed from Happy to a perverted lifestyle meaning.

 

[Rondonmon]

It can be confusing speaking to 5 different people with different believes lol. But I agree, it isn't complicated but I also just practice grace in these areas. I think someone could be completely wrong about eschatology but still have salvation.

Of course they can most really have not much understanding of it tbh, but it is my calling for 37 plus years. Only when we understand the 1290 and 1335 does the veil about the end times lift. Then we can see the timelines clearly.

God Bless.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

What must occur in order for the Resurrection to occur?

Nothing. It could happen any minute.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Of course they can most really have not much understanding of it tbh, but it is my calling for 37 plus years. Only when we understand the 1290 and 1335 does the veil about the end times lift. Then we can see the timelines clearly.

God Bless.

37+ years wow!
Cool, what is 1290 and 1335?

 

[eXric]

My opinion is. If a good Christian of the body of Christ that Jesus knows, was to die. The mercy is that you would not feel the pain of death, and transition to heaven. If a believer been killed by loin and did not feel pain, it would just be a odd transition to heaven.

As for a rapture type event. The parable of the 10 virgins( Christians) meeting the Bride Grooom (jesus). Shows that all 10 where there when it turned dark. Christian will be waiting in the dark( tabulation) at midnight not aware. Then they where alerted to Jesus coming and told to go out meet Him. They all got ready, and wise ones had enough oil (Holy Spirit) in their vessels( indwelt Holy Spirt) and the foolish had no oil in them. All were alerted but not all have the holy spirt to wait in the darkness. The wise ones with Holy Spirit told foolish to go to where the they sell oil and missed Jesus. Later to be told by Jesus that he did not know them. Looks like wheat gathered and the rest left. Soooooo, be ready always.