so can you quote those scriptures that support what you are saying ? Or do I need to just accept you as the source of truth ?
Is the first resurrection divided into two groups?
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so can you quote those scriptures that support what you are saying ? Or do I need to just accept you as the source of truth ?
Can you quote those scriptures that support what you would like for us to believe?
The answer is in the scriptures - but, I will have to address it later - have to get back to work...
it isn’t there brother, but this is there so we can see that heaven is established with his kingdom and inhabited by those who had lived on earth and died ,
while the church continues on esrth warring with Satan until thier own death
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12 KJV
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17 KJV
That’s why Peter and Paul speak
Of this conflict to the church on earth
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
1 Peter 5:8-9 KJV
I’m saying there isn’t enough scripture to build a doctrine for it.
it’s rather plain though isn’t it ? Either it’s true or it’s not . But I’m not trying to argue I was just not understanding what you meant by you didn’t know about it.
this for instance also is only in scripture once
“But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.”
Revelation 20:5 KJV
is that enough to build a doctrine ?
All this shall come to pass after the 1000 years on Earth...
Revelation
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
The Church will be in Heaven attending a wedding prior to returning to Earth at the Second Coming.
Are you looking at revelation as one steady vision that is linear ? Or several visions overlapping one another pertaining to past present and future ?
do you think this hasn’t happened yet ?
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
Revelation 12:5 KJV
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
….And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:10-12, 17 KJV
and do you see how In heaven Satan has been overcome and cast out into earth and those in heaven are rejoicing while at the same time he is making war against the church on earth ?Not at different times but simultaneously the things in heaven are occurring and also on earth ?
I am simply taking it at face value and believing what it says. I don't see it as being complicated at all.
What’s stated in Matthew 27:52-53 is obviously true, but there is an order to the resurrections and there is timing.
Read 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 and tell me where you think the resurrection in the holy city takes place: Christ the first fruits or those that are His at His coming.
The resurrection of the righteous is mentioned repeatedly in scripture. Luke 14:14, Philippians 3:11, and others places.
Revelation 20:4-6 just expands on the first resurrection doctrine.
You know that the Second Coming has not happened yet.
When we read this in the fulness of it's context, we see what it is. It is the story of the ages. It is a vision given by God, who dwells above and outside of time itself. He steps us back and shows us the big picture.
“Read 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 and tell me where you think the resurrection in the holy city takes place: Christ the first fruits or those that are His at His coming.”
I believe that there are many included in christs resirrection brother is my point like the group there on Matthew .
there’s a way of seeing it through the gospel according to Christ and his words it’s how I always am looking at it
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
I’m saying christs resirrection includes any who are “ in him “
then there are others who are going to be resurrected in the end because they rejected the gospel and judged by their works alone.
“the firsfruits” are those like in Matthew who rose up just after he did, those in Christ have died and risen in him and will never see death they are part of him in his resurrection .
the ones rising in the last day are those who maybe said I believe , but didn’t walk in faith accepting his word didn’t believe this part
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:51 KJV
and didn’t accept this resurrection by faith
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
so they will rose for the Judgement at the last day
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12:48 KJV
so the order there in my belief is Christ ( and those in him )
the firstfruits in my opinion (that’s all it is ) are the saints of the ot who rose after Jesus did.
and then those who are dead in Christ and didn’t accept his word , and the rest of the dead in the last day.
but honestly it’s just my own way of seeing it I’m not claiming to be right