Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Oblio]

cursed above all cattle implies cattle are also cursed - else it would have just been written, "cursed"

this is a great mystery -- what had cows done? or do they suffer curse through no fault of their own?
why is the ground cursed, instead of Adam?

everything goes back through Genesis 3 -- it is a 'strange attractor' or a 'super-node' of scripture, if we put it into a fractal or complex-network frame.

Perhaps that's why we ask the Lord to bless our hamburgers?

 

[Magenta]

Isn't your Father the same Father as the cows? If not, you can kill them and eat them. As for my Father, He is also the Father of the cows, and everything that moves upon the earth. So they are all my brothers of the same Father. Which is why you can't eat me, it is unlawful to kill your brothers:

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man

-Have mercy on your brothers, if you desire also to find mercy:

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

It is not unlawful to kill under certain circumstances. What is unlawful is murder.

Murder and killing are not the same thing.

You really ought to get that sorted out.

The command is not to murder

Since killing animals is allowed by GOD, it is not murder.

 

[posthuman]

The innocent blood, was first betrayed by Judas, then shed by those who pierced Him. He commanded His Spirit into the Hands of the Father, of His own accord. The only Blood He shed was His Truth and Life, which is the Light of the world. The carnal red blood was shed by the pharisees and the romans.

no one takes His life from Him; He lays it down and He takes it up again

omniscience cannot be 'betrayed' -- the word is 'delivered' and He chose Judas, knowing his heart and Satan eventually entering him.
He chose with full knowledge and according to His purpose: part of that purpose being that Judas should deliver Him.

His blood is sprinkled on the true ark in heaven; He Himself did this

 

[CS1]

why does He call "Satan cursed above all cattle" ?

do you accept or delete Genesis 3:14 . . ?

it is hard to reason with someone who rejects evidence you see as incontrovertible - when it isn't a matter of interpretation but a matter of wholly ignoring data.

i do not really know how to continue with you

I wonder why some have not asked her about the pigs Jesus allowed the demons to go into and they were killed by Drowning oh my Jesus is now a murderer? On that right, they were unclean and not innocent.I did not see the pigs say "ok yes send them into us"

 

[maxwel]

that's a problem -- and the obvious solution is that you are not correctly interpreting what you read. you need to ask why does God do this, instead of presuming God's book is untrue.

just my opinion, as always

Exactly.


This would mitigate the majority of interpretation choices found among "progressive" churches.

But the progressive churches aren't interested in interpretation... they're busy about deconstruction.



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[CS1]

Exactly.


This would mitigate the majority of interpretation choices found among "progressive" churches.

But the progressive churches aren't interested in interpretation... they're busy about deconstruction.



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never truer words spoken Progress churches are liberal and support homosexuality, gay marriage and are moving very fast into universalism to accept all types of heathen and Occult practices.

 

[DanielLL]

cursed above all cattle implies cattle are also cursed

No, you can't "imply" a curse on those whom God has not cursed:
2 Enoch 31 – neither mankind I cursed, nor the earth, nor any other creature, but only mankind’s evil fruit-bearing.
This is why the fruit of doing good is sweat and exertion.

Murder and killing are not the same thing.

First understand that all creatures under heaven have the same Creator, because He alone Created all things, all things are His.
So if animals and humans were created by the same Father, that makes them brothers, because they are of the same Father.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

"His brother" is all creatures of the same Father, the only way your are allowed to kill other creatures is if you are not of the same Father as them, and if they aren't your brothers. In that case you are of that "other father" you know whom.

 

[CS1]

No, you can't "imply" a curse on those whom God has not cursed:
2 Enoch 31 – neither mankind I cursed, nor the earth, nor any other creature, but only mankind’s evil fruit-bearing.
This is why the fruit of doing good is sweat and exertion.

First understand that all creatures under heaven have the same Creator, because He alone Created all things, all things are His.
So if animals and humans were created by the same Father, that makes them brothers, because they are of the same Father.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

"His brother" is all creatures of the same Father, the only way your are allowed to kill other creatures is if you are not of the same Father as them, and if they aren't your brothers. In that case you are of that "other father" you know whom.

I can see you hold up a sign and act like "Karen " as people fish for trout that reads "murderer" !!!!

 

[DanielLL]

as people fish for trout

Matthew 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.

 

[CS1]

Matthew 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.

I can see you hold up a sign and act like "Karen " as people fish for trout that reads "murderer" !!!!

 

[DanielLL]

interpretation choices

-There is no way you "interpret" yourself out of the Lord hating hands that shed innocent blood:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Which is why no other interpretations have been given.

 

[Magenta]

First understand that all creatures under heaven have the same
Creator, because He alone Created all things, all things are His.

Yep, yep, no problem with that...

So if animals and humans were created by the same Father, that makes them brothers, because they are of the same Father.

So you are a brother to Satan. Francis of Assisi would be proud of you.

 

[presidente]

Isn't your Father the same Father as the cows? If not, you can kill them and eat them. As for my Father, He is also the Father of the cows, and everything that moves upon the earth. So they are all my brothers of the same Father. Which is why you can't eat me, it is unlawful to kill your brothers:

God is Creator. He does not call Himself the Father of the cows. That is your title. God gave man flesh to eat. You don't like it, but He did. He just did not give the blood to man to eat.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man

The KJV isn't consistent with it's use of 'kill'. But these are two Hebrew words. The latter one is a word that means 'slay.' Exodus 20 says not to murder, (ratsach) a man. The verse from isaiah66 there says he that slays an ox as if he who sacrifices a man. The words are different in Hebrew- schachat and another word that is used for sacrifice, as if these Israelites slaying oxen were like human sacrifice. But the point is NOT that it was wrong to sacrifice oxen... as the Lord had commanded... but that their sacrifices were unacceptable. God did not like idolatrous or otherwise sinful people living lives of rebellion, then sacrificing to him.

And 'schachat' shows up elswhere when God COMMANDS Israel to slay an animal, like in Exodus 12:6

And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Do you even really care what God wants, or are you just using religious language to promote animal rights? Or do you think you have some kind of mystical power to determine some parts of the Bible false and some parts true?

The word shows up here in Exodus 12:21 when God COMMANDS slaying a Passover lamb
Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go and take for yourselves lambs according to your families, and slay the Passover lamb.(NASB)

Israelites would kill an animal if they did not want to sin against the Lord by disobeying.

I don't know if you cannot figure out the sense of these verse or if you are intentionally just trying to take verses out of context to support your agenda. This is a commentary for you to read to help you get a sense of it. Notice that 'abominations' often refers to idolatry in certain contexts, or the idols themselves.

You can find the following commentary at: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/66-3.htm
I think it will give you a good idea of the gist of the verse, if you care to understand something.

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
3. The first part of the verse runs literally thus: “The slaughterer of the ox, a slayer of a man; the sacrificer of the sheep, a breaker of a dog’s neck; the offerer of an oblation,—swine’s blood; the maker of a memorial of incense, one that blesseth vanity (i.e. an idol)”;—four legitimate sacrificial acts being bracketed with four detestable idolatrous rites. The first member of each pair is probably to be taken as subj., the second as pred., of a sentence. But this leaves open a choice between two interpretations. (a) That the legal sacrificial action is as hateful in the sight of God as the idolatrous rite, so long as it is performed by unspiritual worshippers. (b) That he who does the first series of actions does also the second, i.e. combines the service of Jehovah with the most hateful idolatries. It is extremely difficult to decide which is the true sense. The words “as if” in E.V. are of course supplied by the translators, but the rendering is a perfectly fair one. The one fact that favours the second explanation (b) is that the latter part of the verse speaks of those who “delight in their abominations.” Unless there be a complete break in the middle of the verse, which is unlikely, this would seem to imply that the abominations enumerated were actually practised by certain persons, who at the same time claimed to be worshippers of Jehovah. Cf. Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 65:3-5, Isaiah 57:3-9.

as if he slew a man] The reference may be either to murder merely or to human sacrifice; most probably the latter, since every other member of the sentence expresses a religious act. That human sacrifice was actually perpetrated by those spoken of may be safely inferred from ch. Isaiah 57:5.

breaketh a dog’s neck] “This sacrifice … seems … to be alluded to as a Punic rite in Justin xviii. 1. 10, where we read that Darius sent a message to the Carthaginians forbidding them to sacrifice human victims and to eat the flesh of dogs: in the connexion a religious meal must be understood.” (W. R. Smith, Rel. of the Semites2, p. 291.) The whole paragraph should be consulted for other important references to the sacredness of the dog amongst the Semites. See also the note in Cheyne’s Commentary.

he that offereth an oblation (see on ch. Isaiah 1:13) (offereth) swine’s blood] See on ch. Isaiah 65:4.

burneth incense] R.V. marg. maketh a memorial of incense. The Hebr. verb (hizkîr) is connected with ’azkârâh, the technical name of the part of the meal offering which had to be burned with incense on the altar (cf. Leviticus 2:2; Leviticus 24:7).

blesseth an idol] Lit. “vanity,” but the rendering rightly expresses the sense; cf. ch. Isaiah 41:29.

My brother is not an ox or a monkey. Also, don't call your mother a cow. You should honor your father and mother.

 

[presidente]

-There is no way you "interpret" yourself out of the Lord hating hands that shed innocent blood:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Which is why no other interpretations have been given.

Shedding innocent blood has to do with shedding blood that should not be shed.

It is wrong to lie in wait for your brother and murder him and take is goods.

It was not a sin to slay Amalekites, for example, in battle.
It was a sin for Israel not to slay all the Amalekites and their cattle when God commanded it.
It was not a sin for the community to execute those who committed capital crimes the way God.
It is not a sin to slaughter cattle for food, as long as you aren't stealing. If you drink or eat the blood, then you may be guilty.

If you think half the verses in the Bible were corrupted, why wouldn't you think the 'innocent blood' verses which you are misinterpreting are the wrong verses?

 

[presidente]

I'm against murder:

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

-The Good shepherd, doesn't take the life away from the sheep, no, He gives them life:

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

The sheep are people in this case. You do know that, don't you?

 

[maxwel]

So if animals and humans were created by the same Father, that makes them brothers, because they are of the same Father.

"His brother" is all creatures of the same Father.

BROTHERS:

If someone wants to believe that ALL CREATURES (like cockroaches, tapeworms, and salmonella) are their BROTHERS....
we've moved far beyond a conversation that is the slightest bit biblical, or even rational.

If tapeworms are your brothers... I'll have to move on, and leave you and your family to yourselves.

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[DanielLL]

So you are a brother to Satan.

No, God is not the Father of sin. Even tho God created the serpent, the sin itself was created by that old serpent, not God:

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

You can say God created the serpent as an animal of the field, you can say God created the angels, but "Satan" that wicked one, was not His doing. It was Satan's own lust that brought forth sin. Because of this, Satan became his own father, the father of lies, because he begat them himself along with his own lusts. That is why "When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

So, because God is not the Father of lies, Satan is not my brother, because we are of a different Father. My Father created all that which was good, and He saw it was very good. But Satan created sin and lies out of his own lusts.

Which brings me back to my point:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

"His brother" means they have the same Father. So if God is the Father of all creatures, then you can't hate any creature that God has created. If you do, you are a murderer, not a brother of the same Father. Because God is not the Father of murderers.

 

[Magenta]

No, God is not the Father of sin. Even tho God created the serpent, the sin itself was created by that old serpent, not God:

Twist away. God created all that is. Satan is one of His creations. You claim him as your brother.

For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones
or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16

Here is some music for you to do the twist to:

 

[Magenta]

PS ~ Evil is not a "thing." It is the absence of good.

 

[Dino246]

No, God is not the Father of sin. Even tho God created the serpent, the sin itself was created by that old serpent, not God:

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

You can say God created the serpent as an animal of the field, you can say God created the angels, but "Satan" that wicked one, was not His doing. It was Satan's own lust that brought forth sin. Because of this, Satan became his own father, the father of lies, because he begat them himself along with his own lusts. That is why "When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

So, because God is not the Father of lies, Satan is not my brother, because we are of a different Father. My Father created all that which was good, and He saw it was very good. But Satan created sin and lies out of his own lusts.

Which brings me back to my point:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

"His brother" means they have the same Father. So if God is the Father of all creatures, then you can't hate any creature that God has created. If you do, you are a murderer, not a brother of the same Father. Because God is not the Father of murderers.

That's illogical. Satan is a created being, and therefore, according to you, is your brother as is every other created being. You don't get to have it both ways.

Either you're wrong for thinking that Satan is uncreated (therefore like God) or you're wrong for having Satan as your brother.

As usual, you're wrong, but this is a whole new level of wrong. That's quite an accomplishment, even for you.