What would be the point?

[Pilgrimshope]

Hebrews 13:14

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“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world…”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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You should address this to me if you wish to properly discuss. How was it in my notifications without the header? interesting.

See post #15

Dont know how it was in your notifications wasn’t responding to you that I’m aware of …..

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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The Lord didn't do away with any "sacrificial" laws or "religious" laws. He fulfilled them and is currently fulfilling them. As with ALL other laws, including the law of Moses, the 10 commandments.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that PART of the Law has been fulfilled or you are not under PART of the Law. That is a construct built by people who have no faith and have not been to Christ. Trying to place everyone under the same curse they are under.

Galatians 3:10

amen , they were always only a pattern of the true things that came in Christ. From the law to the tabernacle and everything between the truth is found in Christ and the gospel

 

[Nehemiah6]

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world…”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This verse should not be (a) taken out of context, (b) misunderstood or (c) misapplied. When Christ said that His Kingdom is not of this world, He affirmed that His Kingdom is of heavenly origin. He has also affirmed in other Scriptures that He will set up and establish His Kingdom on earth at the appropriate time. And in that Kingdom the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This verse should not be (a) taken out of context, (b) misunderstood or (c) misapplied. When Christ said that His Kingdom is not of this world, He affirmed that His Kingdom is of heavenly origin. He has also affirmed in other Scriptures that He will set up and establish His Kingdom on earth at the appropriate time. And in that Kingdom the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Ok

 

[Thewatchman]

The Lord didn't do away with any "sacrificial" laws or "religious" laws. He fulfilled them and is currently fulfilling them. As with ALL other laws, including the law of Moses, the 10 commandments.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that PART of the Law has been fulfilled or you are not under PART of the Law. That is a construct built by people who have no faith and have not been to Christ. Trying to place everyone under the same curse they are under.

Galatians 3:10[/QUO
Matthew 5:17-19
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
If what you say is true I can covet my Neighbors wife, I can commit murder, I can steal ect. I can brake any of them I want, and it is OK. The only problem is they are still enforced and I will go to jail for it.

 

[DavidTree]

Messiah fulfilled the Law and then nailed it to His Body on the Cross and in doing so put to death the curse of the Law and it's ordinances that were against us.
We are not under the Mosaic Law but are under CHRIST and the Law of CHRIST which is walking in the Holy Spirit.

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.


Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are [g]the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

I think that I rode 75 most of the way (except where they were working on I10 from Las Vegas NV. to Lawton OK. and I was just cruising. I had a 750 Yamaha Seca. AZ. NM. & OK. turnpikes are 75 daytime.

BTW; I was trying to follow rt 66 or what's left of it.

Nice! My first bike was a Seca 400, nice looking bike. Had a Nighthawk 650 for the trip, shaft driven no maintenance. It was McDonald's anniversary, so 39 cent hamburgers all summer. Had 9 hamburgers a day, breakfast , lunch and dinner. Don't know how I survived! They must put vitamins in those burgers!
For my trip it was Montreal to Tijuana and then back up along the West Coast.
Today I looked at the internet for route 66 and the devils highway and remarked why was it not near the 4 corners where I saw it on my trip. The sizes on the internet are huge. Nothing compared to the 1 mile stretch of the route 66, which then became another mile stretch of the devils highway. Today I realized, it was to take a tourist photo! Bummer, thought it was real!

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

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Dont know how it was in your notifications wasn’t responding to you that I’m aware of …..

Ok.

 

[Cabrillo]

Highway 666 was renumbered 'cause too many weirdos and satanists were having sacrifices and ceremonies. I knew a Native American from the 4 corners area who told me about ceremonies & drunken orgies south of Flagstaff in the canyons off rt666.

 

[Grandpa]

I think you misunderstand the implication of what you are saying.

"No. A plane is not supposed to be on the highway..."
I mostly agree with what you say. But you are implying that the highway code does not exist. Conform all the verses then your understanding will be complete.

Here is a spiel on Objective Morality - Why is murder wrong?
A bible believer would say "because God said so"
An atheist would say "because..." with a lot arm waving. Basically he/she would try to virtue signal his/her system of relative morality.

Here is the subtlety - how is the atheist system different from your moral system? If your interpretation of Gospel of Jesus differs from another?

God decrees the morality, Jesus shows us how to obey it. It is a good thing to obey Jesus. But know where the Wisdom comes from.

1 Timothy 1:9 - I ain't no dirty killer. Are you are teaching the Law is a dirty judaizing thing?
A little up - what are you teaching - see spiel on Objective Morality
1 Tim 1
7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Galatians 3:3 - Are you saying OSAS or some new age Shirley MacLaine "I am god" schtick?
A little down
Galatians 3
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 3:10 - Are you saying Jesus made new law? I don't think so. Jesus does what Father says to do.
A little down - subject is Promise to Abraham,
Galatians 3
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(nor can you self proclamation)

Galatians 3:24-25 - You are graduated from the school of the dirty judaizing law, so there is no need for the Law?
A little up - I should map this understanding about the Law. It is in Romans also
Galatians 3
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Galatians 2:19-21 - Apostolic succession is not magisterial. Can't change the laws no matter how you self proclaim your own brand of righteousness.
A little up - Does Paul who obeys Jesus who Obeys God - transgress? What did Paul destroy?
Galatians 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

I wasn't implying that the highway code doesn't exist.

I was implying that the highway code is for certain people still driving cars on the highway. (Those who haven't been to Christ).

For those who are in planes, the highway code obviously doesn't apply. Even though silly people still driving on highways insist it does.

 

[Grandpa]

Matthew 5:17-19
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
If what you say is true I can covet my Neighbors wife, I can commit murder, I can steal ect. I can brake any of them I want, and it is OK. The only problem is they are still enforced and I will go to jail for it.

I think you need to read Matthew 5 again to get a better understanding of what the REAL Law is.


I'll just leave you with one question.

Do you think Jesus failed to do what He came to do, to fulfill the Law?

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

Highway 666 was renumbered 'cause too many weirdos and satanists were having sacrifices and ceremonies. I knew a Native American from the 4 corners area who told me about ceremonies & drunken orgies south of Flagstaff in the canyons off rt666.

I am not a superstitious fellow, but I think it should be like the 13th floor. No fuss no muss.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

I wasn't implying that the highway code doesn't exist.

I was implying that the highway code is for certain people still driving cars on the highway. (Those who haven't been to Christ).

For those who are in planes, the highway code obviously doesn't apply. Even though silly people still driving on highways insist it does.

How do you have to get to the airfield?

 

[Cabrillo]

I am not a superstitious fellow, but I think it should be like the 13th floor. No fuss no muss.

In 1981 I hitchiked from Phoenix to Flagstaff. Around 3pm I got tired north of Sedona and took my back pack & sleeping bag off into a canyon. I sensed an unholy presence, very erie so I packed up and split. I asked the Lord to protect and help me. A Greyhound bus pulled over and let me aboard, On a 2 lane road.

Who knows the history of the area before It became a US territory?

I'm not superstitious either, Native Americans were Pantheistic. I do firmly believe that evil exists!

 

[Thewatchman]

The point, that you missed, is that you are placing people under a law that they aren't under.

No. A plane is not supposed to be on the highway. But if you applied that speed limit to it as it was over the highway it would be forced to be on that highway, following, or TRYING to follow the law.

Same with Moses Law.

1 Timothy 1:9, Galatians 3:3, Galatians 3:10, Galatians 3:24-25, Galatians 2:19-21

Grand pa which of the 10 commandments can I brake without going to jail? I am going way off the rail here but according to you I can covet my Nabors wife, daughter, son or even the dog and it is ok, because there is no law.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

In 1981 I hitchiked from Phoenix to Flagstaff. Around 3pm I got tired north of Sedona and took my back pack & sleeping bag off into a canyon. I sensed an unholy presence, very erie so I packed up and split. I asked the Lord to protect and help me. A Greyhound bus pulled over and let me aboard, On a 2 lane road.

Who knows the history of the area before It became a US territory?

I'm not superstitious either, Native Americans were Pantheistic. I do firmly believe that evil exists!

I am sure there are funky spirits out there. Whenever the spidey sense tingles, I start a conversation with Jesus. I get very aggressive when I get interrupted in a conversation with Jesus. Attack first, ask questions later. You what I mean.

But then again after watching "The Omen", I screamed like a little girl when a chihuahua barked at me. Ran up a snow bank.

A third of heaven fell and only the biggies where Abyssed. The less significant ones seems to be wandering the earth (i.e legion and the lemming pigs).

 

[Grandpa]

Grand pa which of the 10 commandments can I brake without going to jail? I am going way off the rail here but according to you I can covet my Nabors wife, daughter, son or even the dog and it is ok, because there is no law.

The better question would be, after reading Matthew 5 again with understanding, which of the 10 commandments did you EVER KEEP???

NONE.

Which are you keeping now? NONE.


But you don't understand Matthew 5 yet.

 

[DavidTree]

The better question would be, after reading Matthew 5 again with understanding, which of the 10 commandments did you EVER KEEP???

NONE.

Which are you keeping now? NONE.


But you don't understand Matthew 5 yet.

You gave me a good laugh this morning, not because you said anything wrong but you are 100% correct.

There is only One Perfect 10 who ever walked this earth - the Only Begotten Son of God.

 

[Chester]

I agree. But we should never forget the OT moral law still has a place.
1Cor 10:
6Now these things took place as examples for us, that we might not desire evil as they did. 7Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play.” 8We must not indulge in sexual immorality as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day. 9We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents, 10nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer. 11Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.

NO NO NO Jesus said that He came not to abolish the Law but fulfill the law. Jesus did not do away with "The Law" the law of Mosas the 10 commandments. He did do away with the sacrificial law, the religious laws like the washing of hands ect.

Look carefully at the New Testament and you will find that nowhere did Jesus or the apostles break apart the OT law and say that only part of it was fullfilled. It is always simply stated that the law was fulfilled. The division of the law into ceremonial, moral, and civil law is not given in the New Testament (Matthew 5:17; Romans 10:4; etc.)

Thus my understanding is that Jesus' death and resurrection fulfilled all of the OT law. We are not bound by these laws, but instead have been given the higher principle of love, which is the fulfillment of the OT law.

So indeed we are free from the law, but this does not mean freedom to live as we (our flesh) wants. Instead it is a freedom to serve Christ from the heart and to live by the higher standards of the Sermon on the Mount (and also the clear instructions of Paul - such as submission to one another in relationships (Eph. 5), etc.)