Secular Music

[Subhumanoidal]

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Maybe it is too simple, but every music that gives you peace and Joy after listening, would be "good music". I sometimes felt "disturbed" after listening some melodies or after thinking about lyrics. I think it is similar Like good food, it feeds your body or makes it sick. I remember how in Japan there was experiment, Water structer changed on different melodies and words. Harmonious classics and words Like peace,love,thank you created symetrical Water particles while "agressive music" and words created messy particles.....so I think we cam discern good grom bad by "fruits" in us, sometimes Joy sometimes a headache😂

The problem here is much of what you're saying is based off of subjective, personal notions. Or taking your feelings and applying it to other data to use it as proof.
For example i had a friend in HS who fell asleep to Ghosts of War by Slayer. He said it was an easy song to fall asleep to. Meanwhile most people would label that as 'bad music'. But for him it was good. And, especially when i was younger it was not uncommon for me to doze off with loud, heavy music blasting through headphones. I credit (as many others do) for helping me through rough times, and i've seen numerous comments of people telling bands a particular song or album saved them from killing themselves. This would all be bands classified as 'bad' or 'aggressive' and would reflect negatively on your 'water structure' idea. So, is that a good fruit or a bad fruit?


Personally i find most popular music, Christian or secular, quite annoying and irritating. To the point where i feel physically and mentally relieved when it stops. Meanwhile other people love that same music and may party to, or worship to, that same music. So the 'feelings' a song evokes vary between two people, so who's right?


And what makes 'aggressive' bad? Metal music has proven to be filled with lots of angry sounding music, yet it's fans have developed more of a reputation for being friendly and relaxed. Why? They release their aggression through music. They also are more prone to expressing and facing a variety of difficult situations. This allows an outlet for fears, as well as anger, that 'normal' people try to ignore.

You pointed out the structures in the water, yet made no connection to how that works with people. You inferred it had meaning, but nothing about that statement proved anything in regard to the effect on humans. It merely proved a visual representation of sound waves, nothing more.

As far as this test, certain words do have a tone to their sound. I don't see it as accidental. It makes me think of the funny line from 'The Office' where Dwight claims 'R is among the most menacing of letters, that's why it's called murder and not muckduck'. hehe

So if a song creates 'messy particles' but also helps people how do you discern that song? Good or bad?
You've suggested two methods of discernment that can easily, and very feasibly, contradict one another. Because neither prove the point you're trying to make.

I find when people start wanting to label music in broad strokes and say one kind or another is bad (or good) by their very nature there is a problem. The truth is none of it is bad, on it's own. Nor any of it good on it's own. What people really should say is 'i don't like this kind of music so i'm going to speak against it'. At least that would be honest.

 

[Marina]

The problem here is much of what you're saying is based off of subjective, personal notions. Or taking your feelings and applying it to other data to use it as proof.
For example i had a friend in HS who fell asleep to Ghosts of War by Slayer. He said it was an easy song to fall asleep to. Meanwhile most people would label that as 'bad music'. But for him it was good. And, especially when i was younger it was not uncommon for me to doze off with loud, heavy music blasting through headphones. I credit (as many others do) for helping me through rough times, and i've seen numerous comments of people telling bands a particular song or album saved them from killing themselves. This would all be bands classified as 'bad' or 'aggressive' and would reflect negatively on your 'water structure' idea. So, is that a good fruit or a bad fruit?


Personally i find most popular music, Christian or secular, quite annoying and irritating. To the point where i feel physically and mentally relieved when it stops. Meanwhile other people love that same music and may party to, or worship to, that same music. So the 'feelings' a song evokes vary between two people, so who's right?


And what makes 'aggressive' bad? Metal music has proven to be filled with lots of angry sounding music, yet it's fans have developed more of a reputation for being friendly and relaxed. Why? They release their aggression through music. They also are more prone to expressing and facing a variety of difficult situations. This allows an outlet for fears, as well as anger, that 'normal' people try to ignore.

You pointed out the structures in the water, yet made no connection to how that works with people. You inferred it had meaning, but nothing about that statement proved anything in regard to the effect on humans. It merely proved a visual representation of sound waves, nothing more.

As far as this test, certain words do have a tone to their sound. I don't see it as accidental. It makes me think of the funny line from 'The Office' where Dwight claims 'R is among the most menacing of letters, that's why it's called murder and not muckduck'. hehe

So if a song creates 'messy particles' but also helps people how do you discern that song? Good or bad?
You've suggested two methods of discernment that can easily, and very feasibly, contradict one another. Because neither prove the point you're trying to make.

I find when people start wanting to label music in broad strokes and say one kind or another is bad (or good) by their very nature there is a problem. The truth is none of it is bad, on it's own. Nor any of it good on it's own. What people really should say is 'i don't like this kind of music so i'm going to speak against it'. At least that would be honest.

You are very logical with your points. This theory about Water structure that changes (There is Book about music experiments) was also logical in many ways to me. Our body is 60% Water. Also my comment is just my personal view, and when it comes to music we all have personal taste and different emotions that music provokes in us. Like your friend from HS, I for example could Listen SOAD and feel ok. But when we grow, learn, experience changes we also change music taste and become more critical, for example you can notice how modern melodies can have catchy rhythm for your brain and so conditioning your brain to Like
"Oh, she's sweet but a psycho".....and you think that maybe it doesnt impact you a lot...but our brain is so easily programmed that it is scary.
I just think that it is good to be critical even when it comes to music and its impact....so if Hallelujah makes you angry....turn it off😉

 

[ChristianLad]

I usually get annoyed when listening to secular music, but the bad ones. As in the songs with not so friendly lyrics.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

You are very logical with your points. This theory about Water structure that changes (There is Book about music experiments) was also logical in many ways to me. Our body is 60% Water. Also my comment is just my personal view, and when it comes to music we all have personal taste and different emotions that music provokes in us. Like your friend from HS, I for example could Listen SOAD and feel ok. But when we grow, learn, experience changes we also change music taste and become more critical, for example you can notice how modern melodies can have catchy rhythm for your brain and so conditioning your brain to Like
"Oh, she's sweet but a psycho".....and you think that maybe it doesnt impact you a lot...but our brain is so easily programmed that it is scary.
I just think that it is good to be critical even when it comes to music and its impact....so if Hallelujah makes you angry....turn it off😉

I'm not getting anything logical about it. I asked you to provide any evidence of how this has any affect on people, and you did not provide any proof that it does. That humans are made up of so much water is no proof of anything. Nor is there proof that the way water responds to sound waves suggests any type of response is negative in and of itself. You merely pointed out that they were different. It is You applying the ideas of good and bad to them, not showing proof that either is positive of negative, by default.
Also i'm curious as to how these words were spoken. Were humans saying them? If so humans already have concepts in mind of what these words mean, and when spoken the tone and inflection will alter to fit that concept. Negative emotion words tend to be spoken in shorter, more clipped rhythm's and with harsher tones to further convey the tone of the concept, whereas more positive words are less rushed and spoken with a different tone. This could sway the effects.
It reminds me of a video i saw where a man used an angry tone, yelled and spoke quickly at his dog, causing his dog to recoil, as if he was in trouble. But the mans words were all positive towards the dog. It didn't matter the words, it was the way the dog interpreted what was said. This is an example of what i'm getting at.

My musical tastes have changed since i was a teen. They've grown. Most of what i enjoyed as a teen i still love (heavy, aggressive music) and still listen to newer stuff along the same lines as well (i'm 46 now). But i also listen to other things now i'd have been embarrassed to listen to as a teen, or even genuinely disliked. The only way i've grown more critical is in expecting higher quality and originality, compared to as a teen where i just took in everything.



I simply don't believe that hearing such things over and over programs ones brain. Or rather not everyones. I'll use myself as an example. As a child i grew up on GI Joe, He-Man, professional wrestling, martial arts, action movies, even some gory movies. As a teen i was past most of that and watched UFC (and still do sometimes) and still like action movies and movies that may have violence (though not movies that are violent just to be violent) and listen to music that many consider angry sounding and often can have angry and even violent lyrics at times. I'm not a gamer, but i enjoy a game here and there, usually violent in nature. But here's the catch, i've never been a violent person. I've never been in a fight, never broke the law (beyond a few speeding tickets, mostly as a teen), i don't enjoy real world violence (quite the opposite, i find it quite jarring). Even when watching videos ( i watch a lot of 'fail' videos for the laughs) if it shows someone falling and potentially getting hurt i have to turn away.
People affected so heavily by these words likely have a natural or nurtured tendency towards them. If that weren't true, then by your notion that people are so easily programmed, i should be a very violent person.

Not to say lyrics are irrelevant, as we sometimes don't know how things could affect us until we try it. I think it's wise to consider such things and any effects you know can happen, or begin to notice unexpectedly, as a result of it. But likely there's an outside source, besides just the lyrics, that seem to determine how affected people are by lyrics, not the other way around.

But i do agree with you, if any music of any kind, is negatively impacting you, don't listen to it. But i disagree to label music 'bad' by it's sound alone, or your response to it, is false as what may affect you negatively may be therapeutic to another.

So i may not agree with all you've stated, i appreciate your taking the time to read and respond and share your view.

 

[Marina]

I'm not getting anything logical about it. I asked you to provide any evidence of how this has any affect on people, and you did not provide any proof that it does. That humans are made up of so much water is no proof of anything. Nor is there proof that the way water responds to sound waves suggests any type of response is negative in and of itself. You merely pointed out that they were different. It is You applying the ideas of good and bad to them, not showing proof that either is positive of negative, by default.
Also i'm curious as to how these words were spoken. Were humans saying them? If so humans already have concepts in mind of what these words mean, and when spoken the tone and inflection will alter to fit that concept. Negative emotion words tend to be spoken in shorter, more clipped rhythm's and with harsher tones to further convey the tone of the concept, whereas more positive words are less rushed and spoken with a different tone. This could sway the effects.
It reminds me of a video i saw where a man used an angry tone, yelled and spoke quickly at his dog, causing his dog to recoil, as if he was in trouble. But the mans words were all positive towards the dog. It didn't matter the words, it was the way the dog interpreted what was said. This is an example of what i'm getting at.

My musical tastes have changed since i was a teen. They've grown. Most of what i enjoyed as a teen i still love (heavy, aggressive music) and still listen to newer stuff along the same lines as well (i'm 46 now). But i also listen to other things now i'd have been embarrassed to listen to as a teen, or even genuinely disliked. The only way i've grown more critical is in expecting higher quality and originality, compared to as a teen where i just took in everything.



I simply don't believe that hearing such things over and over programs ones brain. Or rather not everyones. I'll use myself as an example. As a child i grew up on GI Joe, He-Man, professional wrestling, martial arts, action movies, even some gory movies. As a teen i was past most of that and watched UFC (and still do sometimes) and still like action movies and movies that may have violence (though not movies that are violent just to be violent) and listen to music that many consider angry sounding and often can have angry and even violent lyrics at times. I'm not a gamer, but i enjoy a game here and there, usually violent in nature. But here's the catch, i've never been a violent person. I've never been in a fight, never broke the law (beyond a few speeding tickets, mostly as a teen), i don't enjoy real world violence (quite the opposite, i find it quite jarring). Even when watching videos ( i watch a lot of 'fail' videos for the laughs) if it shows someone falling and potentially getting hurt i have to turn away.
People affected so heavily by these words likely have a natural or nurtured tendency towards them. If that weren't true, then by your notion that people are so easily programmed, i should be a very violent person.

Not to say lyrics are irrelevant, as we sometimes don't know how things could affect us until we try it. I think it's wise to consider such things and any effects you know can happen, or begin to notice unexpectedly, as a result of it. But likely there's an outside source, besides just the lyrics, that seem to determine how affected people are by lyrics, not the other way around.

But i do agree with you, if any music of any kind, is negatively impacting you, don't listen to it. But i disagree to label music 'bad' by it's sound alone, or your response to it, is false as what may affect you negatively may be therapeutic to another.

So i may not agree with all you've stated, i appreciate your taking the time to read and respond and share your view.

There is discipline called musical therapy so there are proofs.

 

[Magenta]

I remember how in Japan there was experiment, Water structer changed on different melodies and words. Harmonious classics and words Like peace,love,thank you created symetrical Water particles while "agressive music" and words created messy particles.....so I think we cam discern good grom bad by "fruits" in us, sometimes Joy sometimes a headache😂

Pretty incredible...

 

[Marina]

Plants Like metal music🤔 Which plants😂

There is some sort of connection.... many miraculous events and healings of people happen in shrines dedicated to Virgin Mary or some saints and majority od shrines has Water Springs....so maybe places where People pray a lot take that vibrations or energy?

 

[Subhumanoidal]

There is discipline called musical therapy so there are proofs.

Not much of an answer.

 

[Marina]

Not much of an answer.

Well I guess you can Google and read about music therapy so no need for me to copy paste Here 😊

 

[arthurfleminger]

Hey, I wanna keep this short and sweet. What are your personal thoughts 💭 on secular music🤔🤔??

I've always liked the jazz version of 'Operator' from 1974 by the Manhattan Transfer:

Operator - Bing video

 

[James94]

I don't think there's anything wrong with secular music, as long as you don't allow it to influence your life negatively, or your walk with God. I drive for a living, and can spend 4-5 hours a day in my car. I listen to a lot of radio. George Jones doesn't make me want to sleep with married women, and AC-DC doesn't make me do dirty deeds(dirt cheep or other wise) The only thing I have to be careful about is if I listen to to much talk radio I get depressed

 

[Ilive4Jesus]

Pretty incredible...

 

[Magenta]

I've always liked the jazz version of 'Operator' from 1974 by the Manhattan Transfer:

Operator - Bing video

Operator · The Manhattan Transfer

 

[Franklu]

哈利路亚！

 

[Magenta]

哈利路亚！

Welcome!

 

[Franklu]

Hallelujah!

 

[Joshua_Belyeu]

I was raised very early on, to reject the things my elders deemed as being "of the world". They used the word "secular" all the time, to the point that I now usually despise that term...mainly because too many people (even the well-meaning) often pair it with the notion of such a thing favoring Satan, or even being directly from the devil himself.

I'm reminded of a scene from one of my favorite movies, "Mr. Holland's Opus". In the story, Richard Dreyfuss plays Glenn Holland, a reluctant wannabe composer turned high-school music teacher. There's a scene in the film, where Glenn is summoned to the office of the school's principal, Helen Jacobs. The somewhat antagonistic vice-principal Gene Wolters is also there, and within moments a discussion about Mr. Holland's methods escalates into an argument between the two men. Near the end of this scene, Mrs. Jacobs interjects, and here is the dialogue...

Mrs. Jacobs: "Mr. Holland, I do not want to interfere in the curriculum of any teacher. But next week, I have a meeting with the school board. And there are people in this community who believe that rock and roll is a message sent from the devil himself. Now when that issue comes up, what can I tell them?"
Mr. Holland: "Mrs. Jacobs, you tell them that I am teaching music, and that I will use anything from Beethoven to Billie Holiday to rock and roll, if I think it'll help me teach a student to love music."

 

[Karlon]

Hey, I wanna keep this short and sweet. What are your personal thoughts 💭 on secular music🤔🤔??

as long as it isn't ungodly, i'll take a listen to it. there have been rock bands that were said to be devil influenced & there's a lot of them. be discerning. remember that lucifer was the head of music in heaven. music is 1 of his biggest traps. i listen to nearly every style known to man but if i find that a song is evil, i don't listen to it anymore. just had this thought: imagine how many decades a Christian listened to tunes & never knew there was something ungodly & then found out later!

 

[Joshua_Belyeu]

...remember that lucifer was the head of music in heaven...

This is actually fairly disputed, because Scripture isn't definitive about it. I found this short article, if you're interested.

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Satan-music.html

 

[Joshua_Belyeu]

Anyone with even the slightest awareness of American pop culture during the past forty years, knows the name New Kids on the Block. Even if you've never heard any of their songs, its likely you've seen pictures or read articles about them at some point. Well, good news for all the longtime fans - Donnie, Danny, Jordan, Jonathan, and Joey have done it again. Next month (May 17th, to be exact), they'll be releasing their first album in 11 years, and the 8th overall. The new effort is titled "Still Kids", and it will contain 14 tracks. The leading single, similarly titled "Kids", has been online since March 4th, and from June to August of this year, the band will be touring with Paula Abdul and DJ Jazzy Jeff. Here's the song; I hope you get a real kick out of it!