Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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again ... the only "truth" in Post #1031 is the verses of Scripture submitted (which I wholeheartedly believe)All I can do is witness the truth and it is up to God whether or not you believe it.
... the rest is surmisings of man's reasoning
God reveals when He justifies mankind ... no need for any embellishment by you:Also they are made righteous by Christ obedience alone. Not Christ and their own obedience!
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
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Thats why it says by the obedience of one many shall be made righteous. If you add the sinners obedience in any way, you contradict Rom 5:19 by insinuating that its by the obedience of two many shall be made righteous, Christs obedience plus the sinners.again ... the only "truth" in Post #1031 is the verses of Scripture submitted (which I wholeheartedly believe)
... the rest is surmisings of man's reasoning
God reveals when He justifies mankind ... no need for any embellishment by you:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
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The Author of Scripture does not have to keep reminding the reader of Scripture of what He has already told him/her.Thats why it says by the obedience of one many shall be made righteous. If you add the sinners obedience in any way, you contradict Rom 5:19 by insinuating that its by the obedience of two many shall be made righteous, Christs obedience plus the sinners.
Again, God reveals when He justifies mankind ... no need for any embellishment by you:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Justified before Faith and why ! 2
All for whom Christ died are Justified before Faith because they have been perfected forever before Faith ! Even though work mongers and those who reject Salvation by Grace through Faith alone, or Justification by Grace alone apart from believing Faith. Its True nevertheless because all for whom Christ died, or by His Offering alone, have been made perfect before God, and so perfectly Righteous. Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Which is all whom He died for Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering[Death] of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:14
14 For by a single offering He has forever completely cleansed and perfected those who are consecrated and made holy.AMP
14 By his one sacrifice he has forever set free from sin Justified from the people he brings to God.CEV
Hebrews 10:14 (NLV) | In Context | Whole Chapter
14 And by one gift He has made perfect forever all those who are being set apart for God-like living.
Now, this Perfection of Righteousness, Justification is something that naturally those Christ died for cannot see [it's invisible], nor feel, nor logically reason, its not known nor understood to any of the natural faculties or senses; The Knowledge of it comes by Faith and the Power of God.
Now it does not matter how many scriptures one can round up against this Truth, the Fact still remains, those that Christ hath died for, by that Death / Offering, hath been perfected forever! And this while they are yet sinners and ungodly in themselves by nature. 8
All for whom Christ died are Justified before Faith because they have been perfected forever before Faith ! Even though work mongers and those who reject Salvation by Grace through Faith alone, or Justification by Grace alone apart from believing Faith. Its True nevertheless because all for whom Christ died, or by His Offering alone, have been made perfect before God, and so perfectly Righteous. Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Which is all whom He died for Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering[Death] of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:14
14 For by a single offering He has forever completely cleansed and perfected those who are consecrated and made holy.AMP
14 By his one sacrifice he has forever set free from sin Justified from the people he brings to God.CEV
Hebrews 10:14 (NLV) | In Context | Whole Chapter
14 And by one gift He has made perfect forever all those who are being set apart for God-like living.
Now, this Perfection of Righteousness, Justification is something that naturally those Christ died for cannot see [it's invisible], nor feel, nor logically reason, its not known nor understood to any of the natural faculties or senses; The Knowledge of it comes by Faith and the Power of God.
Now it does not matter how many scriptures one can round up against this Truth, the Fact still remains, those that Christ hath died for, by that Death / Offering, hath been perfected forever! And this while they are yet sinners and ungodly in themselves by nature. 8
According to Rom 5:19 how shall they be made righteous ?The Author of Scripture does not have to keep reminding the reader of Scripture of what He has already told him/her.
Again, God reveals when He justifies mankind ... no need for any embellishment by you:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.All for whom Christ died
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
nope ...brightfame52 said:are Justified before Faith
no one is "Justified" before they believe.
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
The words "for all" do not appear in the text. The verse reads as follows:brightfame52 said:Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering[Death] of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once.
Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the sufficiency of the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ against the insufficiency of the sacrifices under the Old Covenant (see Heb 10:1-4).
You should try reading Scripture ... just as God has laid it out. Your erroneous dogma has robbed you of the fantastic truth revealed in Scripture.
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There's a reason you refuse to include the context within which the verse sits.According to Rom 5:19 how shall they be made righteous ?
Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)
If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)
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All for whom Christ died are Justified before Faith and Sanctified before Faith solely by His Death. So since all without exception are Justified, sanctified, its obvious He did not die for all without exception.John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
nope ...
no one is "Justified" before they believe.
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
The words "for all" do not appear in the text. The verse reads as follows:
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once.
Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the sufficiency of the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ against the insufficiency of the sacrifices under the Old Covenant (see Heb 10:1-4).
You should try reading Scripture ... just as God has laid it out. Your erroneous dogma has robbed you of the fantastic truth revealed in Scripture.
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According to Rom 5:19 how shall they be made righteous ?There's a reason you refuse to include the context within which the verse sits.
Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)
If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)
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Justification before God is strictly by His Blood.
Justification before God is strictly by the Blood of Christ ! Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
This scripture is crystal clear on Justification by the Blood of Christ, and yes this is before the Justified ones believe on Christ.
This Justification by blood is based solely on the redemption that is in His Blood Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
24 [All] are justified and made upright and in right standing with God, freely and gratuitously by His grace (His unmerited favor and mercy), through the redemption which is [provided] in Christ Jesus,
The word freely in Rom 3:24 is the greek word dōrean and means:
I.freely, undeservedly
It also is translated and means:
for nought, without a cause.
So the Justification before God secured and applied to their accounts, is not based upon anything they did. If we make Faith/Believing a condition for it, we deny the Truth, as simple as that.
Its by the Redemption that is in His Blood, because attached with it is Forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7
7 In whom[By His Death] we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This is all according to God's Grace. Justification is the result of the forgiveness of sins too, which is the result of the redemptive blood payment [ransom] to the Law and Justice of God, for all whom He died.
Redemption therefore is Justification through the Blood of Christ. Redemption is what Christ accomplished for the offences of those He died, and Forgiveness, Justification have been applied to their account. Now it has not yet been applied sensibly to them until they receive the notion of it by God given Faith, but before Faith the factuality of it has been applied in the courtroom of Heaven !
Justification before God is strictly by the Blood of Christ ! Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
This scripture is crystal clear on Justification by the Blood of Christ, and yes this is before the Justified ones believe on Christ.
This Justification by blood is based solely on the redemption that is in His Blood Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
24 [All] are justified and made upright and in right standing with God, freely and gratuitously by His grace (His unmerited favor and mercy), through the redemption which is [provided] in Christ Jesus,
The word freely in Rom 3:24 is the greek word dōrean and means:
I.freely, undeservedly
It also is translated and means:
for nought, without a cause.
So the Justification before God secured and applied to their accounts, is not based upon anything they did. If we make Faith/Believing a condition for it, we deny the Truth, as simple as that.
Its by the Redemption that is in His Blood, because attached with it is Forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7
7 In whom[By His Death] we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This is all according to God's Grace. Justification is the result of the forgiveness of sins too, which is the result of the redemptive blood payment [ransom] to the Law and Justice of God, for all whom He died.
Redemption therefore is Justification through the Blood of Christ. Redemption is what Christ accomplished for the offences of those He died, and Forgiveness, Justification have been applied to their account. Now it has not yet been applied sensibly to them until they receive the notion of it by God given Faith, but before Faith the factuality of it has been applied in the courtroom of Heaven !
nope ...All for whom Christ died are Justified before Faith and Sanctified before Faith
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
Your claim does not align with Scripture ...brightfame52 said:So since all without exception are Justified, sanctified, its obvious He did not die for all without exception.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Again, whenever and wherever your dogma does not align with Scripture, you are to hold to Scripture and let go of that which does not line up with what is true from Scripture:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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not according to Romans 5:1, which we read and remember. When we read verse 9, we don't forget what we read in verse 1. It takes less than a minute to read from verse 1 to verse 9. Surely you can remember what you read less than a minute prior???yes this is before the Justified ones believe on Christ.
read verse 24 together with verses 25 and 26:brightfame52 said:This Justification by blood is based solely on the redemption that is in His Blood Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:24-26 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
nope ... when we believe God we do not "deny the Truth".brightfame52 said:If we make Faith/Believing a condition for it, we deny the Truth, as simple as that.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith ...brightfame52 said:Justification is the result of the forgiveness of sins
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The justifier of him which believeth in Jesus
Rom 3:26
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Those would be His People whom He came to save as Per Matt 1:21
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Jesus and His People are the same here in Matt 1:21 and those in Rom 3:26
The Lord Jesus Christ has paid the whole of the sin debt, both in righteous living, and the sin penalty for the broken law, for all whom He died, and in this He has fulfilled for them all of God's Righteous requirements due to God from man !
And this done, Christ's Faithfulness to God's Law on their behalf, God is Just [Having all His Justice satisfied for them] in Justifying those believing.
That is, their believing is evidence, that God hath concluded them without Fault before His Perfect Law and Justice based on Christ's Faithfulness or Obedience. Rom 5:19
19 For just as by one man’s disobedience (failing to hear, heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man’s obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him). 8
Rom 3:26
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Those would be His People whom He came to save as Per Matt 1:21
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Jesus and His People are the same here in Matt 1:21 and those in Rom 3:26
The Lord Jesus Christ has paid the whole of the sin debt, both in righteous living, and the sin penalty for the broken law, for all whom He died, and in this He has fulfilled for them all of God's Righteous requirements due to God from man !
And this done, Christ's Faithfulness to God's Law on their behalf, God is Just [Having all His Justice satisfied for them] in Justifying those believing.
That is, their believing is evidence, that God hath concluded them without Fault before His Perfect Law and Justice based on Christ's Faithfulness or Obedience. Rom 5:19
19 For just as by one man’s disobedience (failing to hear, heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man’s obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him). 8
Yes again, those whom Christ died are by His Death alone sanctified and Justified before they have faith, but thats why they shall be given faith.nope ...
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
Your claim does not align with Scripture ...
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Again, whenever and wherever your dogma does not align with Scripture, you are to hold to Scripture and let go of that which does not line up with what is true from Scripture:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Yes even according to Rom 5:1. Rom 4:25 proves that.not according to Romans 5:1, which we read and remember. When we read verse 9, we don't forget what we read in verse 1. It takes less than a minute to read from verse 1 to verse 9. Surely you can remember what you read less than a minute prior???
read verse 24 together with verses 25 and 26:
Romans 3:24-26 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
nope ... when we believe God we do not "deny the Truth".
Romans 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith ...
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Remission of sins is Justification ! 2
Remission of sins or forgiveness of sins = Justification before God because , Christ's Blood does such a thorough job of cleansing us [Those He died for] from all sin, once and for all, that God absolves them of all sin and guilt that to Him, it is as they have never sinned, so God declares them Righteous.
Now this occurred in the Court of Heaven and had nothing to do with anything the Justified ones did, or will do, it had only to do with what Christ did for them and in their behalf, while they know nothing of it.
So all men Christ died for are Justified before God from all sin while they are unbelievers. Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Remission of sins or forgiveness of sins = Justification before God because , Christ's Blood does such a thorough job of cleansing us [Those He died for] from all sin, once and for all, that God absolves them of all sin and guilt that to Him, it is as they have never sinned, so God declares them Righteous.
Now this occurred in the Court of Heaven and had nothing to do with anything the Justified ones did, or will do, it had only to do with what Christ did for them and in their behalf, while they know nothing of it.
So all men Christ died for are Justified before God from all sin while they are unbelievers. Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Your claim does not align with Scripture ...The Lord Jesus Christ has paid the whole of the sin debt, both in righteous living, and the sin penalty for the broken law, for all whom He died
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Again, whenever and wherever your dogma does not align with Scripture, you are to hold to Scripture and let go of that which does not line up with what is true from Scripture:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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Yes it is scripture. You ust dont believe it. The Lord Jesus Christ has paid the whole of the sin debt, both in righteous living, and the sin penalty for the broken law, for all whom He diedYour claim does not align with Scripture ...
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Again, whenever and wherever your dogma does not align with Scripture, you are to hold to Scripture and let go of that which does not line up with what is true from Scripture:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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Romans 4:those whom Christ died are by His Death alone sanctified and Justified before they have faith
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.
vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".
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