Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[DanielLL]

No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.

The commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." not only prohibits humans from commiting adultery with humans, but it also prohibits bestiality. So, in like manner, the commandment: " Thou shalt not kill." not only prohibits the killing of humans, but it also prohibits the killing of animals. The commandments are not just talking about humans. That is why both bestiality and the killing of animals are unlawful.

-The killing of an ox is equated to murder, both are abominations:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

-And food is not an excuse for murder, because the Father gave us the herbs and fruit for food, not animals:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

-There is also the abomination which the Lord hates: shedding the innocent blood of the animals:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The Father doesn't want us killing each other:

Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

 

[Dino246]

No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.

The commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." not only prohibits humans from commiting adultery with humans, but it also prohibits bestiality.

Wrong.

Adultery is only one of the "kinds" of sex that is forbidden; many others, including bestiality, are identified specifically in the Law, meaning your treatment of both adultery and murder is flawed.

So, in like manner, the commandment: " Thou shalt not kill." not only prohibits the killing of humans, but it also prohibits the killing of animals.

Again, wrong.

Your first premise is false, so you have no basis for the second. Further, the term "kill" in the commandment is better translated "murder" - intentional unwarranted killing of another human being.

The commandments are not just talking about humans. That is why both bestiality and the killing of animals are unlawful.

Your conclusion is based on two premises demonstrated to be false, so you have no argument. It is only your claim that the commandments are not talking about humans only, as you have provided absolutely no evidence.

-The killing of an ox is equated to murder, both are abominations:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

If you considered the context properly, you would not come to this conclusion. It is speaking not about mere slaughter of animals for food, but for religious sacrifice. Those who do so are contrasted with the ones whom the Lord seeks: those who are humble and contrite of spirit. Further, the broader context of the latter part of Isaiah is not general instruction for the contemporary kingdom of Israel, nor for modern Christianity.

-And food is not an excuse for murder, because the Father gave us the herbs and fruit for food, not animals:

Again, wrong.

Genesis 9:3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

-There is also the abomination which the Lord hates: shedding the innocent blood of the animals:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Yet again, wrong; this time because you have added to Scripture. "Of the animals" is not in the text. The clear implication is innocent humans.

-The Father doesn't want us killing each other:

Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

That's the eternal kingdom, not the current life on earth.

You are certainly free to abstain from all animal flesh if you choose, but you have no sound biblical basis for doing so.

 

[Magenta]

... the term "kill" in the commandment is better translated "murder" - intentional unwarranted killing of another human being.

Don't forget illegal

 

[Magenta]

Genesis 9:3-4
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants,
I give you everything. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Leviticus 11:2-3
And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying,
These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth...

Deuteronomy 14:4-6
These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the
roebuck, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope, and the mountain sheep. Every animal that parts
the hoof and has the hoof cloven in two and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat....

Mark 7:19
Since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

Romans 14:1-3
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes
he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise
the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, ...

Romans 14:6b
Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God;
and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

 

[Oblio]

Cows are really stupid. It should be illegal not to kill them. Which reminds me...I'm having hamburgers tonight...yippee!

 

[John146]

No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.

The commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." not only prohibits humans from commiting adultery with humans, but it also prohibits bestiality. So, in like manner, the commandment: " Thou shalt not kill." not only prohibits the killing of humans, but it also prohibits the killing of animals. The commandments are not just talking about humans. That is why both bestiality and the killing of animals are unlawful.

-The killing of an ox is equated to murder, both are abominations:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

-And food is not an excuse for murder, because the Father gave us the herbs and fruit for food, not animals:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

-There is also the abomination which the Lord hates: shedding the innocent blood of the animals:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The Father doesn't want us killing each other:

Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Have you ever swatted a mosquito? Stepped on an ant? Killed a roach?

 

[kleronomos]

Wrong.

Adultery is only one of the "kinds" of sex that is forbidden; many others, including bestiality, are identified specifically in the Law, meaning your treatment of both adultery and murder is flawed.


Again, wrong.

Your first premise is false, so you have no basis for the second. Further, the term "kill" in the commandment is better translated "murder" - intentional unwarranted killing of another human being.


Your conclusion is based on two premises demonstrated to be false, so you have no argument. It is only your claim that the commandments are not talking about humans only, as you have provided absolutely no evidence.


If you considered the context properly, you would not come to this conclusion. It is speaking not about mere slaughter of animals for food, but for religious sacrifice. Those who do so are contrasted with the ones whom the Lord seeks: those who are humble and contrite of spirit. Further, the broader context of the latter part of Isaiah is not general instruction for the contemporary kingdom of Israel, nor for modern Christianity.


Again, wrong.

Genesis 9:3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.


Yet again, wrong; this time because you have added to Scripture. "Of the animals" is not in the text. The clear implication is innocent humans.


That's the eternal kingdom, not the current life on earth.

You are certainly free to abstain from all animal flesh if you choose, but you have no sound biblical basis for doing so.

Whew. Thank you for being so thorough.

 

[Magenta]

Cows are really stupid. It should be illegal not to kill them.
Which reminds me...I'm having hamburgers tonight...yippee!

Calf

 

[Oblio]

My brother has a farm and he loves cows. I don't. Kicked one too many times by them!
I really like veal.

 

[DanielLL]

Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Have you ever swatted a mosquito? Stepped on an ant? Killed a roach?

I have, but I repented and now I close the doors and windows, so the mosquitos don't enter, and instead of killing roaches, I throw them outside.

Kicked one too many times by them!

Numbers 22:23 Now the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, and the donkey turned aside out of the way and went into the field. So Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back onto the road. 24 Then the Angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path between the vineyards, with a wall on this side and a wall on that side. 25 And when the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord, she pushed herself against the wall and crushed Balaam’s foot against the wall; so he struck her again. 26 Then the Angel of the Lord went further, and stood in a narrow place where there was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27 And when the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord, she lay down under Balaam; so Balaam’s anger was aroused, and he struck the donkey with his staff.

28 Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”

29 And Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have abused me. I wish there were a sword in my hand, for now I would kill you!”

30 So the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden, ever since I became yours, to this day? Was I ever disposed to do this to you?”

And he said, “No.”

31 Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand; and he bowed his head and fell flat on his face. 32 And the Angel of the Lord said to him, “Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out to stand against you, because your way is perverse before Me. 33 The donkey saw Me and turned aside from Me these three times. If she had not turned aside from Me, surely I would also have killed you by now, and let her live.”

Wrong.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

 

[Magenta]

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Says nothing about what God allows man in the progressive revelation of His plan.

Your inflexible literal interpretation would have God forever creating the universe on the first day.

And He would never incarnate as Jesus.

Do you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ?

 

[TMS]

do all to the glory of God.

Science is starting to catch up with the principles in the Bible.

A vegiterian lives longer then people that eat lots of meat.

If you do the research and want to be healthier, It all points to Gods original diet.

It isn't a sin to kill animals when you have a good reason.

Let everyone's own hearts convict them as to what a good reason is.

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

 

[tourist]

Genesis 9:3-4
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants,
I give you everything. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Leviticus 11:2-3
And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying,
These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth...

Deuteronomy 14:4-6
These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the
roebuck, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope, and the mountain sheep. Every animal that parts
the hoof and has the hoof cloven in two and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat....

Mark 7:19
Since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

Romans 14:1-3
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes
he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise
the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, ...

Romans 14:6b
Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God;
and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Outstanding series of passages leading to a gradual greater spiritual maturity in regards the eating of meat, which, of course, would require slaughter of the animal that is to be consumed.

 

[DanielLL]

Again, wrong.

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

allows

The Law can't change, murder was murder since the beggining, and that can't change because it is Law:

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

 

[Oblio]

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

I have, but I repented and now I close the doors and windows, so the mosquitos don't enter, and instead of killing roaches, I throw them outside.


Numbers 22:23 Now the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, and the donkey turned aside out of the way and went into the field. So Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back onto the road. 24 Then the Angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path between the vineyards, with a wall on this side and a wall on that side. 25 And when the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord, she pushed herself against the wall and crushed Balaam’s foot against the wall; so he struck her again. 26 Then the Angel of the Lord went further, and stood in a narrow place where there was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27 And when the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord, she lay down under Balaam; so Balaam’s anger was aroused, and he struck the donkey with his staff.

28 Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”

29 And Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have abused me. I wish there were a sword in my hand, for now I would kill you!”

30 So the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden, ever since I became yours, to this day? Was I ever disposed to do this to you?”

And he said, “No.”

31 Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand; and he bowed his head and fell flat on his face. 32 And the Angel of the Lord said to him, “Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out to stand against you, because your way is perverse before Me. 33 The donkey saw Me and turned aside from Me these three times. If she had not turned aside from Me, surely I would also have killed you by now, and let her live.”


Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

I'd have to be pretty hungry to eat a donkey. You know, if you'd ever had a revelation of your own sin, you'd realize that you didn't deserve to be forgiven, let alone have the right to mercilessly judge another.
"Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy." - Matthew 5:7

 

[Magenta]

The Law can't change, murder was murder since the beggining, and that can't change because it is Law:

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

I gave passages from the INSPIRED revealed written Word of God.

Your problem is with the Lord. Take it up with Him

 

[Oblio]

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

I have, but I repented and now I close the doors and windows, so the mosquitos don't enter, and instead of killing roaches, I throw them outside.


Numbers 22:23 Now the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, and the donkey turned aside out of the way and went into the field. So Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back onto the road. 24 Then the Angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path between the vineyards, with a wall on this side and a wall on that side. 25 And when the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord, she pushed herself against the wall and crushed Balaam’s foot against the wall; so he struck her again. 26 Then the Angel of the Lord went further, and stood in a narrow place where there was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27 And when the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord, she lay down under Balaam; so Balaam’s anger was aroused, and he struck the donkey with his staff.

28 Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”

29 And Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have abused me. I wish there were a sword in my hand, for now I would kill you!”

30 So the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden, ever since I became yours, to this day? Was I ever disposed to do this to you?”

And he said, “No.”

31 Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand; and he bowed his head and fell flat on his face. 32 And the Angel of the Lord said to him, “Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out to stand against you, because your way is perverse before Me. 33 The donkey saw Me and turned aside from Me these three times. If she had not turned aside from Me, surely I would also have killed you by now, and let her live.”


Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

Act justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. - Micah 6:8

 

[Magenta]

Act justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. - Micah 6:8

Micah 6:8

 

[Oblio]

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?


The Law can't change, murder was murder since the beggining, and that can't change because it is Law:

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

Daniel, you are cherry picking to further your agenda. We are to take the whole council of the word of God so we understand it and take it in context. As you are unsure of what you believe, you are just incapable of correctly discerning the word.
You first need a revelation of your sinfulness and how you deserve, like all of us, to be destroyed. At this point, one sees their absolute need for a savior. Then, and only then, is the sacrifice of our God truly valued. You should meditate on this.
Though there is not one of us that deserved for Him to do this, He did it because He loves us.

 

[Oblio]

Micah 6:8