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No, He meant what He said, those "standing here", the fig tree generation had to be them "standing here".
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
That means there will be survivors who are still alive at the end times. Global population will be cut by half in the Great tribulation, first by a quarter, then by a third. Among the remaining half are the remnant Israelites who will be witnessing the son of man coming to claim His kingdom.
 
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The Gospel had to be spread to all nations within that generation.


No, He meant what He said, those "standing here", the fig tree generation had to be them "standing here".
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Well was the fig tree blossoming then? In fact no they were under roman rule. But go ahead and just disreguard the scripture content. Just what we need is another theological misguided teaching.
You have shown you have no interest in knowing the truth but have clung on to theology to teach you a lie.
From flat earth and now appointed times. When you are ready to know the truth i am sure there are many here to guide you.
Your whole presentation is in error. Some beleve theyll get to heaven with their boots on too.
 
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Ah yes, please explain how "those standing here" means those not standing here?


Yes, when they began to see the signs.
If your saying 70 ad was one of the signs theres your first error. The emphasis on the passage is when it blossoms.
So what makes a tree or flower a plant blossom?
Now remember israel is under the control of rome subject to roman Authority. Basically captive of rome.
How is that blossoming as a once nation?

Matt 16:28 says some not all as in revelation but some. If we agree that heb 13:8 means what it says then who was standing before them? I believe it to be the son of man. Who came to establish his kingdom but was cut short.
Remember jesus cursed a fig tree and it withered and died. Now he calls on us to look and learn about a fig tree to blossom.
Jesus said no man takes my life but i lay it down and have power to take it back up. As his tormet began he cried out forgive them for they know not what they do.
Jesus did not hold anyone responsible for his death but held the jews to blame for not knowing the time of their visitation. The exact time and day is found in daniel. Which happens to be a appointed day of Gods.
70 ad was the further scattering of israel which the Lord had fortold he would do.
 
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If your saying 70 ad was one of the signs
70 ad was the destruction of the sanctuary, during the Tribulation, the signs came before it, the wars and rumors of wars.
Now remember israel is under the control of rome subject to roman Authority. Basically captive of rome.
How is that blossoming as a once nation?
Israel is ruled by the King of The Jews, Messiah. The "backslidding Israel" was ruled by the Romans. When Messiah came it was the blossoming of Israel, the true Israel in spirit and in truth. When the earthquakes and other signs began after Messiah, that was the blossoming of the fig tree, indicating the Tribulation was "near, even at the door". And it was, not long after the Romans came and destroyed the sanctuary, the abomination that maketh desolate, stood in the Holy Place, and so on.
 
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70 ad was the destruction of the sanctuary, during the Tribulation, the signs came before it, the wars and rumors of wars.


Israel is ruled by the King of The Jews, Messiah. The "backslidding Israel" was ruled by the Romans. When Messiah came it was the blossoming of Israel, the true Israel in spirit and in truth. When the earthquakes and other signs began after Messiah, that was the blossoming of the fig tree, indicating the Tribulation was "near, even at the door". And it was, not long after the Romans came and destroyed the sanctuary, the abomination that maketh desolate, stood in the Holy Place, and so on.
Israel rejected the messiah saint. There is no such thing as spiritual israel.
Israel is the physical....christians are the spiritual.
The fig tree blossomed in 1948 when israel became a state in one day just as God prophesied.
Before then the land of israel was known as Palestine. Ever since then the state of israel has grown economically as well as population.
Israel has been front and center the focus of all nations.
Since the end of ww2 the gathering has been happening just as God prophesied.
How can you not beleve what is now before your eyes. The time of the gentiles are almost done.
Not only you but many belivers have walked down the path that you are on sadly.
The church does not replace Israel. Jews donot become christians. Abraham is the father of many nations.
We will all enter in through faith just as he did.
The book of revelation shows clearly that messiah wiill finish his work as he saves and redeems Israel.
That is what most of the book is about.
Paul wrote about this in Thessalonians and assured the church that they did not miss the messiah. That was also there fear.
I would agree that the signs in that time certainly looks like the signs jesus talked about but trust the scripture saint it was not.
 

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The Gospel had to be spread to all nations within that generation.


No, He meant what He said, those "standing here", the fig tree generation had to be them "standing here".
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Hi Daniel,

Yes the Lord was talking specifically about some standing right there with Him who would see Him coming in His kingdom royalty. The next couple of verses -

`Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James and John his brother, brought them up on a high mountain by themselves, and was TRANSFIGURED before them. HIS FACE SHONE LIKE THE SUN, and His clothes became white as the LIGHT....` (Matt. 17: 1 & 2)

The `some` were Peter, James and John. They were wondrously shown the glorious true royalty and splendour of the Lord that had been veiled by human flesh. That is the King coming, being revealed in His kingly splendour. The word kingdom, indicates kingship, rulership, and that is what those disciples saw. Amazing.
 

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The 70th had to already have started, because Messiah was born and cut off at the 70th week:

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, [...]

If you deny the 70th week already started, you deny Messiah already came in the flesh. You also deny the confirmation of the covenant:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: [...]
I have to admit while I cannot say I am convinced exactly it has me thinking this is certainly a new and interesting take on it that I have yet to encounter. in several ways it makes sense but I am wondering how do you account for the 70th week which is to be the seven years? I mean as far as I can tell Jerusalem does not need rebuilding and the 70th year is supposed to mark the end of days so if it already passed with Jesus then where are we now on God's prophetic time clock? I would be interested to know your perspective on this
 
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Israel rejected the messiah saint. There is no such thing as spiritual israel.
Israel is the physical....christians are the spiritual.
-The Physical Israel rejected Messiah, but the True Israel in Spirit and in Truth, accepted Messiah, the King of the Real Jews:

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

-Just because they were descendents of Abraham, doesn't mean they were the True Israel, "His People":

Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

-"His People" is whosoever believes on Him, even the prostitutes and tax collectors, who repented:

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

-"His People" is a Spiritual people, "whosoever worketh righteousness", it has nothing to do with their lineage after the flesh:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
`Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James and John his brother, brought them up on a high mountain by themselves, and was TRANSFIGURED before them. HIS FACE SHONE LIKE THE SUN, and His clothes became white as the LIGHT....` (Matt. 17: 1 & 2)
His transfiguration is not His second coming, it is not even a "coming", they went up a mountain:

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

He didn't "reward every man according to his works" on that mountain, so the transfiguration is not the second coming.
how do you account for the 70th week which is to be the seven years?
I believe the 70th week is 49 years, or a jubilee, which is 7x7.

From the "commandment" unto Messiah the Prince are 69 weeks:
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks [...]

So, Messiah was born at the 70th week. Making it impossible for the 70th week to be 7 years, hence why I believe it is 49 years. The only way to challenge this, is by saying: Messiah was not Messiah until His baptism. But the angel Gabriel is already calling Him Messiah here in Daniel, way before His baptism, He was born Messiah, He didn't became One:

Matthew 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
where are we now on God's prophetic time clock?
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

-I believe we are in the "little season" after the Millenial Reign, before Gog and Magog surround the beloved city.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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-The Physical Israel rejected Messiah, but the True Israel in Spirit and in Truth, accepted Messiah, the King of the Real Jews:

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

-Just because they were descendents of Abraham, doesn't mean they were the True Israel, "His People":

Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

-"His People" is whosoever believes on Him, even the prostitutes and tax collectors, who repented:

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

-"His People" is a Spiritual people, "whosoever worketh righteousness", it has nothing to do with their lineage after the flesh:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


His transfiguration is not His second coming, it is not even a "coming", they went up a mountain:

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

He didn't "reward every man according to his works" on that mountain, so the transfiguration is not the second coming.


I believe the 70th week is 49 years, or a jubilee, which is 7x7.

From the "commandment" unto Messiah the Prince are 69 weeks:
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks [...]

So, Messiah was born at the 70th week. Making it impossible for the 70th week to be 7 years, hence why I believe it is 49 years. The only way to challenge this, is by saying: Messiah was not Messiah until His baptism. But the angel Gabriel is already calling Him Messiah here in Daniel, way before His baptism, He was born Messiah, He didn't became One:

Matthew 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.


Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

-I believe we are in the "little season" after the Millenial Reign, before Gog and Magog surround the beloved city.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Give me scriptures that refer to israel as spiritual or is this a theology.?
 

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-The Physical Israel rejected Messiah, but the True Israel in Spirit and in Truth, accepted Messiah, the King of the Real Jews:

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

-Just because they were descendents of Abraham, doesn't mean they were the True Israel, "His People":

Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

-"His People" is whosoever believes on Him, even the prostitutes and tax collectors, who repented:

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

-"His People" is a Spiritual people, "whosoever worketh righteousness", it has nothing to do with their lineage after the flesh:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


His transfiguration is not His second coming, it is not even a "coming", they went up a mountain:

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

He didn't "reward every man according to his works" on that mountain, so the transfiguration is not the second coming.


I believe the 70th week is 49 years, or a jubilee, which is 7x7.

From the "commandment" unto Messiah the Prince are 69 weeks:
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks [...]

So, Messiah was born at the 70th week. Making it impossible for the 70th week to be 7 years, hence why I believe it is 49 years. The only way to challenge this, is by saying: Messiah was not Messiah until His baptism. But the angel Gabriel is already calling Him Messiah here in Daniel, way before His baptism, He was born Messiah, He didn't became One:

Matthew 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.


Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

-I believe we are in the "little season" after the Millenial Reign, before Gog and Magog surround the beloved city.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
This is certainly an interesting take on the prophetic time line, it certainly is one to think on. I would like to also know what is your take on the rapture and the wedding of the lamb? where does this fit in?
 
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I just did, it is not about wich nation you are from, is about whether you work righteous or not. Whosoever works righteousness is accepted of Him:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

True Jew is in Spirit and in Truth:

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

"His people" in heaven are from all nations:

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
rapture and the wedding of the lamb
Rapture happend at His Second Coming which was "Immediately after the Tribulation". Wedding of the Lamb was a meal with the saints, after the judgement of Mystery Babylon, it marks the beggining of the Millenial Reign on earth.
 
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I just did, it is not about wich nation you are from, is about whether you work righteous or not. Whosoever works righteousness is accepted of Him:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

True Jew is in Spirit and in Truth:

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

"His people" in heaven are from all nations:

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.


Rapture happend at His Second Coming which was "Immediately after the Tribulation". Wedding of the Lamb was a meal with the saints, after the judgement of Mystery Babylon, it marks the beggining of the Millenial Reign on earth.
I asked for scripture or scriptures that say spiritual israel in its text not what you or anyone else assumes.
 
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Blain said:
rapture and the wedding of the lamb
Rapture happend at His Second Coming which was "Immediately after the Tribulation". Wedding of the Lamb was a meal with the saints, after the judgement of Mystery Babylon, it marks the beggining of the Millenial Reign on earth.

So far from the truth its not funny. Need to really study the scriptures and not hear a theology.
 
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spiritual israel in its text
"Jew in spirit" doesn't count? Do you want the Word to speak exactly as you want it to speak? Either it says "spiritual israel", or you won't believe it, right? Maybe that's why He didn't wrote "spiritual israel", so that the carnally minded wouldn't understand it.
 
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"Jew in spirit" doesn't count? Do you want the Word to speak exactly as you want it to speak? Either it says "spiritual israel", or you won't believe it, right? Maybe that's why He didn't wrote "spiritual israel", so that the carnally minded wouldn't understand it.
So your saying (so i can get this right) that the marriage feast and millennial has passed or all ready happened?
 

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The marriage feast is for the nation of Israel.

`God says to the nation of Israel - "I will betroth you to me forever; Yes I will betroth you to me in righteousness and justice, in loving kindness and mercy; I will betroth you to me in faithfulness, and you shall know the LORD.` (Hosea 2: 19 & 20)

Jesus confirmed the promises to Israel when He was on earth. he reminded them of the marriage feast when God would again remarry them as a nation. (Rom. 15: 8)Remember they rebelled and God divorced them. Eventually when God pours out His Spirit of grace and supplication, (Zech. 12: 10) then the nation of Israel will turn to the Lord. he will rule through them in the millennium just as He promised.

Note: The Body of Christ is NOT the center of God`s purposes, Christ is. And God has purposes through Christ for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the nations.
 
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Eventually when God pours out His Spirit of grace and supplication, (Zech. 12: 10) then the nation of Israel will turn to the Lord.
Fulfilled when True Israel received the Spirit at Pentecost:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

The Spirit was poured upon "all flesh", all nations, even Greeks:

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is the True Nation of Israel, not a Nation after the flesh, but after the Spirit:

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
 
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The marriage feast is for the nation of Israel.

`God says to the nation of Israel - "I will betroth you to me forever; Yes I will betroth you to me in righteousness and justice, in loving kindness and mercy; I will betroth you to me in faithfulness, and you shall know the LORD.` (Hosea 2: 19 & 20)

Jesus confirmed the promises to Israel when He was on earth. he reminded them of the marriage feast when God would again remarry them as a nation. (Rom. 15: 8)Remember they rebelled and God divorced them. Eventually when God pours out His Spirit of grace and supplication, (Zech. 12: 10) then the nation of Israel will turn to the Lord. he will rule through them in the millennium just as He promised.

Note: The Body of Christ is NOT the center of God`s purposes, Christ is. And God has purposes through Christ for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the nations.
I thought it was for born again christians 😣
 
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So your saying (so i can get this right) that the marriage feast and millennial has passed or all ready happened?
And so jesus comes 3 times.? I mean he's comming again right? If so for what purpose?