What do you recommend as a response to invasion of Ukraine

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kaylagrl

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The news is filled with idiotic suggestions -- people calling for the assassination of Putin (war crime), others calling for a no fly zone -- in other words lets start WWIII with Russia, and on and on.

So I would like to go on the record now with what I think is the proper response to this.

1. Right now we see that we shouldn't have stopped providing weapons to Ukraine, Biden put a stop to this a year ago. Based on that I would say we need to fully arm Poland and Romania so they are able to defend their borders. NATO needs to fully ramp up their defense spending. Step 1 -- we contain this thing.

2. We take refugees from this war. We have had 2 million come across our southern border this year, we can certainly take some genuine refugees. Let's send ships and planes. Do our part in the humanitarian crisis.

3. Every dollar we spend to defend the Ukrainian border and to beef up security in Poland and Romania needs to be matched with money to finish our Southern wall. It is absurd to tell us that the Ukrainian border is sacred to America but our own border is not.

4. We are currently at war with Russia. We launched an economic warfare that has been devastating to 140 million Russians. So then Biden needs to have a frank and open discussion explaining why he did that, what vital national interest this is protecting. If Russia retaliates we need to know why we are being attacked because at this point Russia would appear justified in retaliating.

5. What is going on with these bioweapons labs? The US state department just confirmed at least half of Russia's story, China has also confirmed it. We need to know why we would put research facilities in the Ukraine? This isn't MIT, or Cambridge, or even a major German facility. What was the reason US military would put bioweapons research facilities in Ukraine instead of a NATO country or the US?

6. This war is showing to me that the links between Biden, Hunter and Ukraine are really significant and need to be investigated. I expect Senate hearings on this to get to the bottom of it.

7. Pfizer releasing 50,000 pages of data and the disappearance of Fauci is undermining the American trust in the US government. We need hearings on this, was this pandemic an act of war? This is now a critical question that must be answered immediately.
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Kinda hard to close the door once the horse is out of the barn. Biden told him it was no big deal if Putin decided to start moving. Same as the JV team he and Obama said ISIS was. He shot his mouth off that he could go toe to toe with Putin. So, here's his chance. What's he gonna do? So far he's told us what he won't do, now what WILL he do? Too little, too late. I'm guessing he will break his word and will send troops. What did I think? What does it matter? The president isn't running this country and the whole world knows it.
 
Smoke

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I understand why many of you feel a need to get involved to help the Ukraine. I RARELY ever recommend anyone to a cable "news" network commentator, but from my opinion, Tucker Carlson is one of the few who gives his belief/reasoning and why he thinks the way he does in regards to Russia/Ukraine.

We should not be in the business of nation building. We should not be the world's police. We have veterans at home who could use the financial aid we are giving the Ukraine. Not to mention, didn't we give them enough money when they colluded with the Bidens? It's sad what is happening to them, but they aren't exactly on my top priority, especially when we have veterans, as mentioned, who could use those funds.
 
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Maybe Ukraine should ask for the money back that they gave to the Bidens instead of asking for additional funds. As for my tax dollars, can it please instead go to someone who helped fight and protect my freedom, aka a veteran?
 
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Smoke said:
We should not be the world's police.
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Amen. We shall rule and reign with Him during the Millenium, but until then, He is very capable of handling the job Himself. Until then, our job is to be reapers while the fields are still white for harvest. (y)
 
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Of late there have been many whom have begun to debate the role of the MBT(main battle tank). The MBT did as we know end the stalemate of no mans land during ww2 and the wisdom of trench warfare was forever changed. By ww2 the MBT had evolved into a very effective tool in warfare but as time progressed an race to add more and more armor began and in time more and more armor defeating weapons were developed. So then more speed was needed and the crews were trained to travel on the road's side under the trees or on the road depending on the conditions and each tank crew was taught to leave it's turret aimed in different directions while traveling. Those in front aimed forward and those in the back put theirs aimed to the rear. Those in the middle aimed theirs to the left and the right with their antiaircraft guns panned out to so that at any moments time from any direction their was an element of the convoy who already had their weapons aimed where an attack might come from. The distance between each tank was important while traveling and when stopped how they spread out under trees or other cover was always determined by where their guns were pointed as a unit. The reasoning for this is that an convoy of tanks grouped up tight was a sitting duck for an attacking aircraft but an well trained armored division to an attacking aircraft is as if diving down on an dreadnought battleship.

Which brings up the Dreadnought, a great big slow moving target that most pilots could hit from the air and so after ww2 the time had come to declare them obsolete in modern warfare. This wasn't always true as we know in that in it's day it was the king of the sea in battle. Around the Korean war or Vietnam we understood them as obsolete in that they could be used as fire ordinance but only with the protection of constant air cover. And as for the battleship although it fit very well in it's own time frame it slipped away into history as technology progressed.

As well as times have changed in that this is 2022 so also have many of the outdated methods of warfare which in times past worked quite well. One of these is how air superiority is achieved while another is the main battle tank and it's role in modern warfare. With the modern weapons and because of their size and mobility the shoulder fired weapon's of today have the ability to contest air superiority and create it's own no fly zone. As we see now in Ukraine the MBT has been taken from it's former role and is either reduced to an piece of field artillery or an vehicle driven in the streets of an fallen city. The drones are another advancement of technology that has caused the methods of warfare to change. It may very well not seem reasonable to send Mig-29's or for NATO to not establish an no fly zone at a glance but the Mig's would only make for an ww2 style dogfight and sending any other government to enforce an no fly zone would be the same or worse in that it would only escalate the situation. In the end the tanks will be stopped by the weapons they are being stopped with now and the aircraft and the sky will be controlled by the same weapons that Russia cannot already evade. At times our instinct is to react in an manner we are used to seeing but if any of the worlds leaders listened to their own Generals,Admirals ect. (and it seems they are) those very weapons they are now sending are working quite well if you consider the stalled,ineffective Russian military and it's current situation in Ukraine.
 
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Mr Green,Mr Green you can charge an whole days pay for the wheat and the barley but the oil and the wine are our luxuries,,,please don't hurt our luxuries...
 
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What do you recommend as a response to invasion of Ukraine
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The more publicity Russia gets in their successful annexation of Ukraine the more powerful they look. Since that was a deliberate and conscious choice by the USA government and their sockpuppets in the media, they are aiding and abetting their alleged enemy. Maybe Russia isn't their enemy if they are enabling their successful public image while making themselves look like weaklings through impotent saber-rattling.
 
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And how quickly we become mesmerized in the events of the media and forget the things we've seen only a little while before. Entertained by news corespondents and ex general's and such invited into our living-rooms to tell us everything other than that they have no access to military Intel, satellite images ect.... Those who have no current knowledge of the whereabouts of troop movements nor where they have hidden their toys. Not so much as even a mention of those pesky little UAP's zipping around and having a look at one another. The madman and his machines of war one step at a time day after day presses the issue on and on as if his intent is confrontation. While one seeks to avoid it the other up's the ante everyday, eventually one will fold or one will play. Touch the deadwood, Touch the deadwood he says and the whole while the other's say, shouldn't we just play?
 
Nehemiah6

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Smoke said:
It's sad what is happening to them, but they aren't exactly on my top priority, especially when we have veterans, as mentioned, who could use those funds.
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Since the veterans have been treated very shamefully for a very long time in both the USA and Canada, it is high time for the veterans to step up to the plate and arrest and incarcerate the DOMESTIC ENEMIES who are running and ruining America. When will the veterans do what they were trained to do? Some veterans did send out a warning note, but nothing happened. And for something like this you do not send warning notes. You do what needs to be done.
 
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Belarus Ambassador offered 30 pieces of silver as he left Ukraine... LOL

 
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Oblio

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The Biden government, the main-stream media, George Soros, Mitt Romney, and all kinds of associated people and groups are condemning Russia. Du-uh?
 
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Oblio

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Hunter Biden is half-owner of a Ukrainian biolab. What a surprise!
 
Nehemiah6

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Oblio said:
Hunter Biden is half-owner of a Ukrainian biolab. What a surprise!
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What happened to "obstruction of justice"? Are all those intelligence chiefs, mainstream media, etc. going to be charged? Not only for obstruction of justice, but for deliberately interfering with the elections?
 
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