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[Blain]

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The point is the same, either with jewish traditions or science, you are making the same mistake, "making the word of God of none effect", because of science. You are believing the witnesses of men of science over the witness of the Word.

The Word teaches "waters above the firmament". So your "outter-space" is rebuked already. I don't know if you noticed, this is "Bible Discussion", Im trying to discuss the Word, but you want me to discuss "science"; "matter"; "gravity". That is not what I'm here for, Im sorry. There are plenty of scientific forums out there. Anyways:

There is no problem with mass and gravity, because the Sun has been commanded where to go, so the Sun won't drop down to the earth, because he will not disobey the commandments of the Father, similar to the seas:

Proverbs 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Even tho we fall back to the earth, the sun doesn't, because the sun has been commanded his circuit, and to not fall to the earth:

And tell me where does it mention that they were speaking of science? that is merely imputing your own assertions into the word of God nowhere does it mention him speaking of this he clearly was not speaking of science and this is as I said trying to make the word of God say what you want it to say which is an insult to his word.

Science is not just a thing of man it is how the universe that God himself created works he set the universe in motion to work as it does down to every atom he is the creator of science the creator of physics. But you see you say you are here to discuss the bible yet you choose to do so to prove the earth is flat that is all well and good however what you fail to understand is that you cannot prove or disprove the flat earth without also understanding how science works otherwise you are fighting a losing battle talking about things you have no understanding of. Do you know how The sun has been commanded where to go? because of it's orbit and that orbit is of course because of the gravitational pull but without mass the gravitational pull would throw it off course. The waters do not go past where God says to because of once again gravity the gravitational pull of the moon but if the earth was flat the pull of the moon would be to strong for the earth.

God created the universe to work in order and in a grand design it all works in unison I study science and am fascinated by it because I see his hand in it the more I do every scripture you have posted is confirmed by science yes all these scriptures are true and all of them are due to mass and gravity yet they also all require the earth to have mass which means it cannot be flat.

 

[Mem]

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The point is the same, either with jewish traditions or science, you are making the same mistake, "making the word of God of none effect", because of science. You are believing the witnesses of men of science over the witness of the Word.

The Word teaches "waters above the firmament". So your "outter-space" is rebuked already. I don't know if you noticed, this is "Bible Discussion", Im trying to discuss the Word, but you want me to discuss "science"; "matter"; "gravity". That is not what I'm here for, Im sorry. There are plenty of scientific forums out there. Anyways:

There is no problem with mass and gravity, because the Sun has been commanded where to go, so the Sun won't drop down to the earth, because he will not disobey the commandments of the Father, similar to the seas:

Proverbs 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Even tho we fall back to the earth, the sun doesn't, because the sun has been commanded his circuit, and to not fall to the earth:

Assuming you realize that the word 'waters' is the root of the original language for 'heavens,' or sky, "hashamayim," why might you consider it unreasonable that similar wording could be used, containing a particular, albeit perhaps of unknown relevance, image of waters be used to reference outer space?

 

[GaryA]

One of these days - Lord willing - I will actually get around to watching this...

A lot sooner than I expected...

 

[DanielLL]

it cannot be flat.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

You keep rejecting the Word, in order to keep the traditions of men. You can't belive both the Word and science, because science denies "waters above the firmament", and the "circle on the face of the deep". Science denies the Word.
As for the movements of the Sun they were written by Enoch in the Book of the Luminaries. But if you don't believe the lesser mysteries, how can ye receive the grater mysteries?

similar wording could be used, containing a particular, albeit perhaps of unknown relevance, image of waters be used to reference outer space?

Was "similar wording used" or was the word "waters" used? Why not receive the Word as it is written? Lean not in your own understanding of "similar wordings" nor "unknown relevance" nor "image of water". None of this is written. It is only your understanding and witness.

 

[Mem]

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

You keep rejecting the Word, in order to keep the traditions of men. You can't belive both the Word and science, because science denies "waters above the firmament", and the "circle on the face of the deep". Science denies the Word.
As for the movements of the Sun they were written by Enoch in the Book of the Luminaries. But if you don't believe the lesser mysteries, how can ye receive the grater mysteries?


Was "similar wording used" or was the word "waters" used? Why not receive the Word as it is written? Lean not in your own understanding of "similar wordings" nor "unknown relevance" nor "image of water". None of this is written. It is only your understanding and witness.

Oh dear, yes. I see your thinking process now. I apologize if I thought your thinking processes were sound but you will only end up with disastrous result, or charged for code violations at the least, if you begin all your building on faulty foundation, you know, when the waters come.

 

[DanielLL]

I thought your thinking processes were sound

Right, there is nothing that can be spoken against the Word. All you can do is insult my intelligence and my thought process.
I forgive you, It goes to show the Word of Truth stands forever, as a Rock.

1 Samuel 2:25 If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.

 

[Magenta]

You can't belive both the Word and science, because science denies "waters above
the firmament", and the "circle on the face of the deep". Science denies the Word.

Science is simply the study of the natural world to build and organize knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. Scientists, however, can and do take varying stances on this organized information. Some are flat earthers, and some are not. Some are Christians, and some are not. To say you cannot believe the revealed written Word of God and science at the same time is a ridiculous assertion. You would probably be dead by now if you did not believe some of what humanity has learned from science.

 

[DanielLL]

Science is simply the study of the natural world

Yes, true honest scientists will find out the firmament and that the Word is True, but he was talking about the "outter-space" scientists, who reject the Word, those you can't believe without rejecting the Word.

You would probably be dead by now if you did not believe some of what humanity has learned from science.

All knowledge comes from above, science has nothing that wasn't given to her from above. Humanity has learned from the Father and the Word. He is the Life, not science. And it is better for my flesh to perish from unbelief in science, than my soul to perish from unbelief in the Word.

Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

 

[Magenta]

Yes, true honest scientists will find out the firmament and that the Word is True, but he was talking about
the "outter-space" scientists, who reject the Word, those you can't believe without rejecting the Word.

Right now I am not really interested in what somebody else said. What you said was ridiculous, and still is.

 

[DanielLL]

What you said was ridiculous, and still is.

What I said was:

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

He can't believe both the Word and those who reject the Word at the same time. How can the Word be "ridiculous"?
Does it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD?

Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

 

[Magenta]

What I said was:

You can't belive both the Word and science, because science denies "waters above
the firmament", and the "circle on the face of the deep". Science denies the Word.

I know what you said. It is there for all to see.

 

[Cabrillo]

Moving the subject back to Putin. Antisocial Personality Disorder is not considered insanity by law because psychopaths & sociopaths know right from wrong. They just don't care.

 

[Blain]

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

You keep rejecting the Word, in order to keep the traditions of men. You can't belive both the Word and science, because science denies "waters above the firmament", and the "circle on the face of the deep". Science denies the Word.
As for the movements of the Sun they were written by Enoch in the Book of the Luminaries. But if you don't believe the lesser mysteries, how can ye receive the grater mysteries?


Was "similar wording used" or was the word "waters" used? Why not receive the Word as it is written? Lean not in your own understanding of "similar wordings" nor "unknown relevance" nor "image of water". None of this is written. It is only your understanding and witness.

I don't reject the word I reject your use of it. Just because you

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

You keep rejecting the Word, in order to keep the traditions of men. You can't belive both the Word and science, because science denies "waters above the firmament", and the "circle on the face of the deep". Science denies the Word.
As for the movements of the Sun they were written by Enoch in the Book of the Luminaries. But if you don't believe the lesser mysteries, how can ye receive the grater mysteries?


Was "similar wording used" or was the word "waters" used? Why not receive the Word as it is written? Lean not in your own understanding of "similar wordings" nor "unknown relevance" nor "image of water". None of this is written. It is only your understanding and witness.

I don't reject the word if you hadn't noticed I hold it in high regard as I do not approve of your use of it and am in fact slightly offended you would so carelessly use it just to make it fit your agenda but aside from that yes actually you can believe both the bible and science because science is merely the study of how things work in the natural world that God created, why does the sun move as GGod commanded it to? Why does the ocean not move past where God commanded it to? science expalins this science confirms the things of God not denies it you just have to look at it through the right lenses.

You however deny science completely therefore have no understanding of it which explains why you could possibly think the earth is flat, had you any understanding of how the universe works and why it works as it does which God created it to work as it does you would know why your theory falls in on itself then you have the issue of the fact that you are so wrapped up in believing you are right you can't see how foolish you are acting in relentlessly trying to defend a ridiculous notion that isn't possible by any kind of sound logic or reasoning.

I have brain damage twice in the same spot and even I can understand why the earth isn't flat you can post all the verses you want that doesn't make you right anyone can post scripture to what they say thinking it makes what they say true but let me tell you friend it doesn't it just makes what you saysound church like. it doesn't take a scientest to use common sense in order to notice small details in order to know that the earth isn't flat, have you ever flown in an airplane? if you have then did you look out the window and see the horizion? did you notice the curve it had to it?

I mean honestly traditions of man? it is God's design he spoke the stars and heavens into existence he ordained how they would move and when and where he aligned the constellations and spoke the galaxies into beiing. at least with my belief not only does logic and science support it and explain it as well as just plain common sense but so does scripture, those verse you presented meto prove me wrong I explained away with science confirming the scriptures not disproving them but you, you have to cherry pick verses and make them say things they aren't saying like trying top make a puzzle piece fit into a puzzle that kind of fits but you have to force it in there

 

[DanielLL]

I don't reject the word I reject your use of it

Well, you are quick to reject my "use of it", but you haven't presented me with any other "use" of the Word: "circle on the face of the deep".
How will you turn a two dimentional circle into a three dimentional sphere? Is that not making Scripture say what you want it to say? Are you going to do the things you accuse me of?

ridiculous notion that isn't possible by any kind of sound logic or reasoning

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

did you notice the curve it had to it?

You mean the curve of your imagination?

 

[Aaron56]

http://imgur.com/a/BG0Ut

 

[Mem]

Right, there is nothing that can be spoken against the Word. All you can do is insult my intelligence and my thought process.
I forgive you, It goes to show the Word of Truth stands forever, as a Rock.

1 Samuel 2:25 If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.

You continually assert that your word is the word and so that you can justify your accusation that going against your word is going against the LORD, and affectively equating yourself with the LORD is blasphemy so yes, I do believe there is warrant in insulting your intelligence and thought process.

 

[Mem]

Moving the subject back to Putin. Antisocial Personality Disorder is not considered insanity by law because psychopaths & sociopaths know right from wrong. They just don't care.

Are we talking about dropping the...ball?

 

[Mem]

http://imgur.com/a/BG0Ut

Yes, I'm looking forward to the Wimbledon frisbee tournament.

 

[DanielLL]

Aaron56
So you agree, there is no curvature at that altitude, right?

You continually assert that your word is the word

No when I say the Word, I mean the "waters above the firmament" and the "circle on the face of the deep" Word. You are just misrepresenting me, because it is just like I said, there is nothing else you could do really, the Word is True, you can only speak against me.

 

[Mem]

Aaron56
So you agree, there is no curvature at that altitude, right?


No when I say the Word, I mean the "waters above the firmament" and the "circle on the face of the deep" Word. You are just misrepresenting me, because it is just like I said, there is nothing else you could do really, the Word is True, you can only speak against me.

Lets be clear that when you refer to the word you are referring exclusively to the kjv which is a translation of the original words used...