I understand, and think that such an approach to understanding Scripture is inherently flawed and, frankly, silly.
We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden
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I understand, and think that such an approach to understanding Scripture is inherently flawed and, frankly, silly.
I think ruling out an interpretation without justification is silly.
I don't rule it out "without justification"; I have plenty of justification for doing so.
I don't rule it out "without justification"; I have plenty of justification for doing so.
Oh yes please, do share.
I'll give you one, and then you can respond with one defense for it.
Jesus referred to Genesis as literal history in Matthew 19:4.
How did I accuse you of anything ? It’s funny how Christians avoid discussing scripture. We toss anything out there to Divert.
I was talking about the man made
“ Positional righteousness “ doctrine that’s something people invented and wrote in a modern book from
Calvins ideas and theories.
no One has accused you of anything it seems to Me like you have a position about baptism as if people are trying to add in something to salvstion but what actually is the case is that it’s what Jesus said to do for remission of sins in the gospel.
so it seems like now your just looking to argue because you’ve seen the clarity of scripture and so you’ve stopped discussing baptism and started moving into diversion and because you know “ being wrong once in awhile and just letting scripture teach us is not possible”
positional righteousness is a fraud was my point
More odd Scripture about Trees:
Judges 9:6-15
Judges 9:6-15
- 6 And all the men of Shechem gathered together, and all the house of Millo, and went, and made Abimelech king, by the plain of the pillar that was in Shechem.
- 7 And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood in the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them, Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you.
- 8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
- 9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
- 10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
- 11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
- 12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
- 13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
- 14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
- 15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.
"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," - Matthew 19:4 KJV
In a figurative of interpretation of the Genesis creation story, mankind would still have been created and necessarily as men and women (per Gen 1:27).
OK, now I'll give you one.
Job was created by God through natural means (Job 31:15). How do rule out the concept that God didn't create other things through natural means?
"For God created both me and my servants. He created us both in the womb." - Job 31:15 NLT
Adam & his wife Woman & the garden and the trees are literal events.
if you do not believe this, quite simply you do not believe scripture as it is written.
they are also allegorical in many ways. in particular they speak of Christ
the reason everything in the Bible is recorded is because they are true events that testify of Christ.
testimony of Christ is the underlying theme of the entire Bible.
if you don't get that, you have no idea what you are reading.
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if you do not believe this, quite simply you do not believe scripture as it is written.
they are also allegorical in many ways. in particular they speak of Christ
the reason everything in the Bible is recorded is because they are true events that testify of Christ.
testimony of Christ is the underlying theme of the entire Bible.
if you don't get that, you have no idea what you are reading.
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this whole thread, to me ((and i haven't yet been able to read all of it; only a few snippets)))
this whole thread to me underscores how important it is that we get Genesis 3 right.
if we get that screwed up, then it's a good rule of thumb that our entire theology is screwed up.
this whole thread to me underscores how important it is that we get Genesis 3 right.
if we get that screwed up, then it's a good rule of thumb that our entire theology is screwed up.
My intention was not at all to divert, but to address squarely what I perceived. If I was wrong, I apologize.
I was talking about the man made
“ Positional righteousness “ doctrine that’s something people invented and wrote in a modern book from
Calvins ideas and theories.
no One has accused you of anything it seems to Me like you have a position about baptism as if people are trying to add in something to salvstion but what actually is the case is that it’s what Jesus said to do for remission of sins in the gospel.
so it seems like now your just looking to argue because you’ve seen the clarity of scripture and so you’ve stopped discussing baptism and started moving into diversion and because you know “ being wrong once in awhile and just letting scripture teach us is not possible”
positional righteousness is a fraud was my point[/QUOTE]
I have said nothing about baptism, or Calvin, or positional righteousness in this thread (and very little on these subjects in other threads). I don't know why you are bringing these things up. Perhaps you have mistaken me for someone else?
I don't see (at all) how that verse, or your explanation for it, are defenses for a figurative interpretation of the garden of Eden.
Watch 5min of this starting at 31:20
It's an example of GOD caring more about The Message of Genesis ...symbolism.
GOD didn't want Melchizedek to have a mother or father because He wanted a Symbol of CHRIST there.
It's an example of GOD caring more about The Message of Genesis ...symbolism.
GOD didn't want Melchizedek to have a mother or father because He wanted a Symbol of CHRIST there.
This doesn't support your allegorical view of the garden of Eden. It speaks about Melchizedek only.
Melchizedek was in Genesis.
What is the fight here about? You don't want to be Adam ...is that it? You don't want to face what that means? That you actually have to reach for The Tree of LIFE yourself?
What is the fight here about? You don't want to be Adam ...is that it? You don't want to face what that means? That you actually have to reach for The Tree of LIFE yourself?
If you honestly don't know what the fight is about, you haven't been paying attention.
Ask yourself whether you can stop making stupid, unsupported, insulting, accusative, and judgmental assumptions about others. Ask yourself who started the thread with unbiblical claims. Ask yourself who is acting self-righteous.
If you still don't know what the fight is about, then get off this discussion site and spend time alone with the Lord Jesus. He'll tell you.
No, i'm starting to get your view, you want everything handed to you because you said the magic words. You don't want to get on The Cross so you throw a fit at Scripture that disagrees with your view of do nothing double mind. aka you are protecting your fallen life:
Mat 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
God pursued me. He drew me with loving kindness. He offered what nobody else could. I did not have to reach for anything. There was no tree in view when I agreed with God about my condition before Him, and my need of Him. I never answered an alter call to repeat what is called the sinner's prayer to ask Jesus into my life and then believe I was saved because of it. I surrendered my life to Him after He personally and profoundly revealed Himself to me, and my life was completely transformed. What you teach puts a rather weird spin on what the Bible actually teaches. I don't know where you learned it. It certainly was not from the Bible, or the Holy Spirit of God.
You reach with your Reborn spirit ...That is only possible Through JESUS.
JESUS came here to stop the works of the devil ...again ...we do it Through Him. You either stop repeated willful sin ...or you don't.
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