Alcohol - a world wide phenomena

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Christians should drink alcohol ...

  • Never, it is forbidden of God at all times.

    Votes: 4 13.8%

  • Occasionally, it is allowed by God for festive, or social occasions.

    Votes: 5 17.2%

  • In moderation, it is allowed by God for each person depending on their situation.

    Votes: 22 75.9%

  • Only once in a great long while, and only for special occasions chosen by God.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • In any amount, at any time, for God placed no restrictions on the drinking of alcohol.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • ???, I don't know if or when God allows the drinking of alcohol, as I am still studying this out.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Oh, who cares what God thinks, Do what you feel is right for you, drink or not, up to you.

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • They can drink alcohol if and when they want, the Bible/God doesn't say one way or another.

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Can only drink alcohol when not in God's service or ministry.

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Can only drink alcohol when in God's service or ministry.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    29
Magenta

Magenta

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John146 said:
I’ve personally never known someone who has always had just one. At some point, one leads to two, three, etc…

I have stated why I don’t drink. I never want to be a stumbling block.
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Yes, so you have said and so I have acknowledged. What you fail to acknowledge
is that drinking is not wrong for everybody under any and all circumstances.
 
Magenta

Magenta

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ChristianSubMissionary said:
Did you read the study where the response to your misunderstanding is given? Yes/no will suffice. If yes, why do, you continue in your misunderstanding? If no, I will cease from interacting with you on this subject permanently until you complete what scripture requires of you. A non answer will be taken as the latter.
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Do as you will. As shall I.

Magenta said:
I am looking at the PPP right now...
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* Ten pages ago.
 
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John146

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Wine is a mocker…not maybe or can be if over consumed…wine is a mocker. Don’t be deceived into thinking otherwise.

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
 
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Oblio

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#564
There's not much point talking to someone who doesn't want to listen.
There is no one as blind as the blind man who believes he sees. - God
 
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John146

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Magenta said:
Yes, so you have said and so I have acknowledged. What you fail to acknowledge
is that drinking is not wrong for everybody under any and all circumstances.
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Ok, if one is dying or ill and they want to forget about God and all other things…
 
Dino246

Dino246

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John146 said:
How much is too much? Can it be different depending upon personal preference? When does alcohol begin to affect the mind?
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Going in circles again. Until you can answer my question, or admit that your previous question was ridiculous, I'm not answering yours.
 
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Oblio

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#567
Pride feels good, seems right, and it blinds. - me
 
Magenta

Magenta

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John146 said:
Ok, if one is dying or ill and they want to forget about God and all other things…
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So Paul instructed Timothy to take wine for his stomach ailment
and forget about God and all other things? Hmmm. I don't think so.

Why would you want to believe such?

Your position is untenable.
 
Dino246

Dino246

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ChristianSubMissionary said:
Did you read the study where the response to your misunderstanding is given? Yes/no will suffice. If yes, why do, you continue in your misunderstanding? If no, I will cease from interacting with you on this subject permanently until you complete what scripture requires of you. A non answer will be taken as the latter.
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So we can rightly dismiss everything you say until you do the study required of you. For once, I like the way you think.
 
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John146

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Dino246 said:
Going in circles again. Until you can answer my question, or admit that your previous question was ridiculous, I'm not answering yours.
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ok, yes I control what goes in my mouth. Now please answer, how much alcohol is too much?
 
posthuman

posthuman

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peldom10 said:
Are you sure?
There is a world of difference in potato salad and alcohol. What a suggested contrast. One sided...isn't it?
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i freely admit my one-sided disdain for potato salad.
however i refuse to eisegetically twist scripture in order to justify it.

if you can be thankful for potato salad, then it is clean for you.
alas for myself, i have not yet reached a level of maturity ((or starvation)) by which i am able.
 
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ChristianSubMissionary

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Mic 2:11: "If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people."
 
Dino246

Dino246

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John146 said:
ok, yes I control what goes in my mouth. Now please answer, how much alcohol is too much?
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That is different for different people, and is conditioned by a wide variety of other factors.

By the way, just because you don't know anyone who can stop at one drink, it doesn't mean there aren't such people. Your ignorance of the matter is neither normative nor instructive.
 
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ChristianSubMissionary

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Isa 28:7: "But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment."
 
Dino246

Dino246

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ChristianSubMissionary said:
Mic 2:11: "If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people."
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Deuteronomy 14:26 Then you may spend the money however you wish for cattle, sheep, wine, beer, or whatever you desire. You and your household may eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and enjoy it.
 
Dino246

Dino246

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ChristianSubMissionary said:
Isa 28:7: "But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment."
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Deuteronomy 14:26 Then you may spend the money however you wish for cattle, sheep, wine, beer, or whatever you desire. You and your household may eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and enjoy it.
 
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John146

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Magenta said:
So Paul instructed Timothy to take wine for his stomach ailment
and forget about God and all other things? Hmmm. I don't think so.

Why would you want to believe such?

Your position is untenable.
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Grape juice in general is a great anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory food. It’s not the alcohol that is good for the stomach. Alcohol is terrible for organs.
 
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John146

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Dino246 said:
That is different for different people, and is conditioned by a wide variety of other factors.

By the way, just because you don't know anyone who can stop at one drink, it doesn't mean there aren't such people. Your ignorance of the matter is neither normative nor instructive.
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Do you know of such a person?

The very first thing alcohol affects is one’s judgment, before speech, vision, or physical capabilities.
 
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ChristianSubMissionary

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Dino246 said:
Deuteronomy 14:26 Then you may spend the money however you wish for cattle, sheep, wine, beer, or whatever you desire. You and your household may eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and enjoy it.
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Num 28:7: "And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering."
 
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