Is Paul or Jesus your main guide?
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Yeah I sort of agree in part , the thing is we have to first hear and believe the word of truth to know freedom all are captive to begin with . from this captivity and slavery of deception
“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
It’s the doctrine that leads people astray truth sets free but
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
What I’m saying is that’s the devils plot and all he can do to combat the truth . there’s a lack of truth that leads people into captivity and builds a wall of fallacy that doesn’t allow them to accept the word is the thing.
I agree with you they aren’t faultless or excused but what I’m meaning to say is there’s a source and then there is an effect and those affected
the truth of Jesus Christ who is the source of life has this effect
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
A lot of people haven’t gotten to that point yet . and then there’s deceptions and distortions which lead to bondage and captivity and service to the devils Will rather than Gods.
We don’t want to place the blame on a captive but we want to share the truth that can destroy the deception and God will set them free of captivity in thier mind and heart as he’s done for all who her and believe him
but I agree in that we all have an option when we actually hear the truth , but some can’t hear it yet because thier mind is already full of fallacy which comes from books explaining heresy like “ Jesus the lord and savior , his words aren’t for you “ or “ the many others
a deceived person can come to repentance but the deceiver is where it is sourced and isn’t interested in repentance he is a deceiver himself is what I was meaning.
there are deceivers and then those who they have deceived that parrot thier teachings and spread it around convincing people against the truth unknowingly because they themselves haven’t heard and accepted the truth yet
we share the truth and persuade others of it when we hear and believe it and begin to know freedom in hopes they will hear also
“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
It’s the doctrine that leads people astray truth sets free but
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
What I’m saying is that’s the devils plot and all he can do to combat the truth . there’s a lack of truth that leads people into captivity and builds a wall of fallacy that doesn’t allow them to accept the word is the thing.
I agree with you they aren’t faultless or excused but what I’m meaning to say is there’s a source and then there is an effect and those affected
the truth of Jesus Christ who is the source of life has this effect
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
A lot of people haven’t gotten to that point yet . and then there’s deceptions and distortions which lead to bondage and captivity and service to the devils Will rather than Gods.
We don’t want to place the blame on a captive but we want to share the truth that can destroy the deception and God will set them free of captivity in thier mind and heart as he’s done for all who her and believe him
but I agree in that we all have an option when we actually hear the truth , but some can’t hear it yet because thier mind is already full of fallacy which comes from books explaining heresy like “ Jesus the lord and savior , his words aren’t for you “ or “ the many others
a deceived person can come to repentance but the deceiver is where it is sourced and isn’t interested in repentance he is a deceiver himself is what I was meaning.
there are deceivers and then those who they have deceived that parrot thier teachings and spread it around convincing people against the truth unknowingly because they themselves haven’t heard and accepted the truth yet
we share the truth and persuade others of it when we hear and believe it and begin to know freedom in hopes they will hear also
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That’s the problem. Many dispensationalists think that Jesus’s teachings are for the Jews, only the Pauline doctrines are for the Church. Some had a hard time with those supernatural miracles performed by Jesus. If you listen to one of their sermons on a gospel passage, you’ll notice that they spend little or no time on the character of Jesus, the cultural background or the prophetic significance, instead they’re mostly giving a pep talk, delivering a life coaching session or addressing some grievances, while using that passage as an inspiration; but when it comes to Pauline doctrines, then they fully dive in on detailed interpretation of the verses, why it matters and how it should apply in our lives.
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YUP Spending years in Dispensationalism , dad and grandpa both dispensational pastors i bought into it hook line an sinker. I do know i was as saved 40 years ago as i am today 
. Praise the Lord for His Grace. Took a long while to unlearn a ton of doctrine. Thankful for the help of Dad, as God opened his eyes he shared the process with us kids,,,, So many , good fresh Godly notes over written in the Scorfield Bible
. Praise the Lord for His Grace. Took a long while to unlearn a ton of doctrine. Thankful for the help of Dad, as God opened his eyes he shared the process with us kids,,,, So many , good fresh Godly notes over written in the Scorfield Bible -
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Really They still reject Paul’s teachings also things like this they will preach and accept and wrote a whole book about what they think it means ( claiming it’s what God really means )
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
Ephesians 2:8 KJV
but In the same letter they will reject this written to the same church in the same letter by the same apostles a few paragraphs later and say it doesn’t apply because of “grace “
“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:3-7
then they will explain how it just doesn’t apply to you your already saved and already have your inheritance regardless of what you do because of what was written a few chapters before that
it’s quite astounding how they explain away one set of verses and build everything on others from the same chapters and verses in the same epistles it’s what happens when we try to bypass the gospel Jesus preached and sent to all people on earth for salvation. There’s no foundation of truth to guide us when we reject the truth
PaulIan’s reject far more of Paul’s writings than they will accept
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
That’s not acceptable to them it doesn’t say grace and it says we can’t keep living In Sinful ways
“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:4-11 KJV
That’s not acceptable to them we’ll never be held accountable by our works and repentance is a “ work “ non led really going to be Juergen by what they do
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
not acceptable if we have to do that part it just isn’t grace. Well
Never be judged by what we do and there’s no reason to fear because of grace
Even though Paul clearly taught these things eventually they explain we need to divide the word and just accept that nothing but the word grace applies which means forget everything else
it’s extremely sad that someone’s core doctrine is “ Jesus words aren’t for you “ because it’s life to those who accept and believe and judgement to for those who reject and deny
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
Ephesians 2:8 KJV
but In the same letter they will reject this written to the same church in the same letter by the same apostles a few paragraphs later and say it doesn’t apply because of “grace “
“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:3-7
then they will explain how it just doesn’t apply to you your already saved and already have your inheritance regardless of what you do because of what was written a few chapters before that
it’s quite astounding how they explain away one set of verses and build everything on others from the same chapters and verses in the same epistles it’s what happens when we try to bypass the gospel Jesus preached and sent to all people on earth for salvation. There’s no foundation of truth to guide us when we reject the truth
PaulIan’s reject far more of Paul’s writings than they will accept
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
That’s not acceptable to them it doesn’t say grace and it says we can’t keep living In Sinful ways
“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:4-11 KJV
That’s not acceptable to them we’ll never be held accountable by our works and repentance is a “ work “ non led really going to be Juergen by what they do
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
not acceptable if we have to do that part it just isn’t grace. Well
Never be judged by what we do and there’s no reason to fear because of grace
Even though Paul clearly taught these things eventually they explain we need to divide the word and just accept that nothing but the word grace applies which means forget everything else
it’s extremely sad that someone’s core doctrine is “ Jesus words aren’t for you “ because it’s life to those who accept and believe and judgement to for those who reject and deny
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YUP Spending years in Dispensationalism , dad and grandpa both dispensational pastors i bought into it hook line an sinker. I do know i was as saved 40 years ago as i am today . Praise the Lord for His Grace. Took a long while to unlearn a ton of doctrine. Thankful for the help of Dad, as God opened his eyes he shared the process with us kids,,,, So many , good fresh Godly notes over written in the Scorfield Bible
. Praise the Lord for His Grace. Took a long while to unlearn a ton of doctrine. Thankful for the help of Dad, as God opened his eyes he shared the process with us kids,,,, So many , good fresh Godly notes over written in the Scorfield Bible
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The Lord gave us scripture, both the four gospels and the letters. The :Lord wants us to learn from and believe in all these scripture he gave us.
There is a huge difference between the truths of the gospels and the truths of the letters. The gospels are Christ telling us how to live for Him and the letters tells us about Christ.
We are to be disciples of Christ, and that means a big change in our outlook and living. Peter explained it when he said in Matt. 19:27 Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you!
We read the letters to learn doctrine and all about Christ, we read the gospel
There is a huge difference between the truths of the gospels and the truths of the letters. The gospels are Christ telling us how to live for Him and the letters tells us about Christ.
We are to be disciples of Christ, and that means a big change in our outlook and living. Peter explained it when he said in Matt. 19:27 Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you!
We read the letters to learn doctrine and all about Christ, we read the gospel
Different opinions. IF we all agreed on everything forums would be extremely boring
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So no one in the Corinthian church was saved and born again? That's what you imply. How about the tens of thousands of denominations? We are warned against divisiveness (Titus 3:10). And there is plenty of division on this forum.
The problem is not in the spirit of the saved individual. It is with the soul. People are naturally tribal. It's a blight on the church. Many Christians won't accept that denominations are not of God. It is a fundamental reason why the church is in decline in the Western world. Read Psalm 133 if you doubt me.
The problem is not in the spirit of the saved individual. It is with the soul. People are naturally tribal. It's a blight on the church. Many Christians won't accept that denominations are not of God. It is a fundamental reason why the church is in decline in the Western world. Read Psalm 133 if you doubt me.