DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

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Diakonos

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So do you believe Christ delivered you from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil by His perfect sacrifice on the cross as per Romans7:4,6?
In what sense do you mean by "delivered"?

By "delivered", do you mean:

Delivered from its effect?
Delivered from its temporary consequence?
Delivered from its eternal consequence?
Etc.?

These entail different answers, so I need to know exactly what you mean so I can answer.
 
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In what sense do you mean by "delivered"?

By "delivered", do you mean:

Delivered from its effect?
Delivered from its temporary consequence?
Delivered from its eternal consequence?
Etc.?

These entail different answers, so I need to know exactly what you mean so I can answer.
You said you don't need the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. So don't you need to be delivered from it. Because as Adam and Eve you also have chosen the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. Babies don't have it.
 
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Oblio

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You said the world is going nuts. So you have to explain.

Are you seeking to be justified before God by fulfilling the moral law?
Go get some deliverance.
 
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Oblio

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Sudakar, it is becoming clear to me that the spirit that you are operating in is not the Holy Spirit. You are becoming an accuser of the brethren. I want no further contact with you.
 

Gideon300

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Your short reply fell apart quickly. People, babies, are not born in sin. I don’t know why you seem obsessed with spreading this doctrine around this message board, but every other reply I happen to notice by you is promoting the idea that babies are evil.

Let us not forget that Jesus was a baby at one point, with a human body subject to the same exact weaknesses everyone else has. Now you have to backtrack and post a poor explanation of how you can hold two mutually contradictory views. Let’s just skip that part.
I won't backtrack on the truth. Lord Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not a sinful man. Your understanding is plain wrong and contradicts God's word.
 

Gideon300

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So the law of Spirit of life is no different from the law of the land & the law of Moses!

So you sneak in the law of Moses in a different name? And you are justified by works & not by faith?
That's a foolish and ignorant response. What is your problem? Are you trying to prove how clever you are? You are failing if you are. You are intent on sowing discord, so it seems. God has some harsh words to say about that. I suggest that you quit it.
 

Gideon300

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So the forbidden knowledge of good and evil didn't accuse their staying as evil as per genesis 3:11? Why are you distorting my position incessantly? I'll never let you dodge!!
You are the one twisting what people say. You should cut it out.
 

JohnDB

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When the Israelites were in Egypt as slaves they went naked everywhere because slaves don't wear clothes as a matter of principle and economics.

Making bricks out of mud would destroy any clothes they did have.
Stirring and making beer (women's work) would cause the clothes to disintegrate after a long smelly process anyway.

So scripturally, the symbolism of being naked is not so much a taboo as it was a symbol of being poor and a slave.

The merchant the good Samaritan helped had his clothing stolen.
 
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I won't backtrack on the truth. Lord Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not a sinful man. Your understanding is plain wrong and contradicts God's word.
You don't seem to know God's word very well then. A page or two back I already debunked your false doctrine. Feel free to search it out or don't.
 

Gideon300

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You don't seem to know God's word very well then. A page or two back I already debunked your false doctrine. Feel free to search it out or don't.
You debunked nothing. Psalm 51:5. Psalm 58:3 Romans 3:10. Romans 3:23

Have you any children? I know that mine were sinful from birth. I did not have to teach them to be demanding, selfish, rebellious, proud and deceptive. They lied without batting an eyelid. Devious? You bet. Just like every other child.
 
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You debunked nothing. Psalm 51:5. Psalm 58:3 Romans 3:10. Romans 3:23

Have you any children? I know that mine were sinful from birth. I did not have to teach them to be demanding, selfish, rebellious, proud and deceptive. They lied without batting an eyelid. Devious? You bet. Just like every other child.
Wow you don't seem to understand what sin is either. I guess you thought your children being vocal about needing food, clothing, and shelter was sinful? What do you suppose infants are rebelling against? You're trying to use adult reasoning to understand a child. Your children weren't deceptive. As you just demonstrated you just assume the worst of them and sinned in doing so.

The Bible says that love covers a multitude of sins and yet you aren't doing that.

Proverbs says to train a child in the way they should go. If your children were as bad as you would have us to believe then that's your fault.

Proverbs 22:6
6Train up a child in the way he should go:
 
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You debunked nothing. Psalm 51:5. Psalm 58:3 Romans 3:10. Romans 3:23

Have you any children? I know that mine were sinful from birth. I did not have to teach them to be demanding, selfish, rebellious, proud and deceptive. They lied without batting an eyelid. Devious? You bet. Just like every other child.
I wrote this one page back and I'll post it again.

Being aware of sin validates the sin. The reason Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables was a bit like a mercy. To some extent it's better to not make someone aware of their sin if they'll just reject the gospel after having received the truth; there comes greater condemnation with that. See Matthew 13:13-17, John 9:41, and more.

The Bible preaches this message repeatedly:

How do you suppose it is possible to cause a "little one that believes in Christ" to stumble(be offended)? Could it be by making them aware of their sin?
Mark 9:42
42And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

James 4:17
17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Having said all of that, there really isn't any Biblical or logical reason why an infant would be aware of their sin, let alone the vocabulary used to define sin. Where do you see, in contrast to awareness of sin, that babies have sin?
 

Gideon300

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Wow you don't seem to understand what sin is either. I guess you thought your children being vocal about needing food, clothing, and shelter was sinful? What do you suppose infants are rebelling against? You're trying to use adult reasoning to understand a child. Your children weren't deceptive. As you just demonstrated you just assume the worst of them and sinned in doing so.

The Bible says that love covers a multitude of sins and yet you aren't doing that.

Proverbs says to train a child in the way they should go. If your children were as bad as you would have us to believe then that's your fault.

Proverbs 22:6
6Train up a child in the way he should go:
The reason we have to train children in the way they should go is because they won't do it spontaneously. The reason I had to discipline my children from time to time was because they were sinful by nature. Proverbs 22:15, 29:15.

Obviously that was not when they were babies. But they sinned eventually because they are sinners by nature. It is inevitable.
 

Pilgrimshope

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God created Adam and Eve without the moral compass named the knowledge of good and evil. It was indeed satan who strongly urged them to acquire the forbidden knowledge of good and evil. So you are working for satan?

Don't you trust Christ who indwells you but rather doubt His working through you?
lol 😂

you really don’t have much to say do you ?
 

Pilgrimshope

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You have yet to give the verse that says that, and I know why!

No such verse exists.

Your second question I already responded to. And you responded
to my response. So why are you now pretending otherwise?
he’s just here to divert Christians
 
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The reason we have to train children in the way they should go is because they won't do it spontaneously. The reason I had to discipline my children from time to time was because they were sinful by nature. Proverbs 22:15, 29:15.

Obviously that was not when they were babies. But they sinned eventually because they are sinners by nature. It is inevitable.
Okay. Was baby Jesus one or more of these: demanding, selfish, rebellious, proud and deceptive?
 

SomeDisciple

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Being aware of sin validates the sin.
Knowing the truth leads to greater condemnation, but being unaware of sin doesn't mean it isn't there. There are fewer stripes for the one who doesn't know, but there are still stripes.
How do you suppose it is possible to cause a "little one that believes in Christ" to stumble(be offended)?
Causing someone to stumble is to cause them to offend, not to cause them to be offended. Jesus is talking about how God takes revenge on people that lead new believers (vulnerable to deception) into sin.
Could it be by making them aware of their sin?
No.
As far as showing too much skin, unfortunately we can't account for all of the weak people. I think we should bear with them up until a point while gently encouraging them to grow thicker skin and grow up rather than allow them to control people vicariously through their easily-offended sensibilities.
With respect to "weak persons" your thoughts are contrary to Paul's teaching- but more importantly, this is a perfect example of putting a stumbling block in front of the little ones.
 
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RichMan

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Is it just me, or are some people just weird.
I mean, why are we talking about wearing clothes in public.
How many pages will this go.
I am out of here.
 

Pilgrimshope

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If you are justified by faith in Christ's sacrifice why do you need to do morally correct things? Are you seeking to be justified before humans by fulfilling the moral law?
“If you are justified by faith in Christ's sacrifice why do you need to do morally correct things?”

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you highlighting an issue in the church very well . when we try to reject what God said and only believe Jesus died and rose rejecting everything else it leads to a distortion and clear path to the pits of hell I would reverse course immediately if I were you repentance is always available