Moral Courage or Foolishness? Ukraine.

[Basta]

Anyone can be anyone on the Internet. Suddenly you're a new member here talking about defending Ukraine when it's a hot topic. Coincidence? I highly doubt it. Prior to this I doubt you were much of an activist.

The enemy of our enemy is potentially a friend, at least until they've served their purpose and are no longer useful. If Biden and Soros say that Russia must be stopped then the automatic instinct of all thinking people is "Oppose Biden and Soros" because if anyone is leading people to hell (literally or figuratively) I guess it's those two.

By process of elimination, it's easy to see that the only remaining options are to either support Russia or don't try to meddle in their affairs.

I say stay out of their business and that should be the easiest response for everyone since that's what everyone was doing before anyway: not caring.

I can see your point here. You distrust everyone. Fine with me.

Mogę sobie mówić, co chcę. Do Ciebie przecież i tak nie dociera a ja nie zamierzam udowadniać losowej osobie w internecie, że jestem Polakiem. Z resztą i tak pewnie zostanie to uznane za wykorzystanie tłumacza google więc tym mniej w tym sensu.

Question is why Soros and Biden say Putin must be stopped? If you asked me I'd say because of a conflict of interests but not on a moral ground (or in a smaller scale) but mostly because of financial interest.

It's OBVIOUS that the more countries are in NATO, the better for the USA and the worse for Russia. But does it mean we should accept Russia taking Ukraine by force to weaken the USA? That's ridiculous. No, that's preposterous because it means we gladly consent to leave helpless people be terrorized, starved to death and humiliated for not being obedient to Matuszka Rasija.

I'm not into politics, I'm into helping people and seeing how power-hunger is putin gives me even stronger will against his actions. I suggest you to stop seeing enemies everywhere - I may be a fairly fresh member of ChristianChat but I didn't join here because of the Russian agression - I joined because I wanted to meet other people of faith. Of course you'll probably call it a lie but I couldn't care less than right now knowing I cannot prove anything with my words only.

 

[Runningman]

I can see your point here. You distrust everyone. Fine with me.

Mogę sobie mówić, co chcę. Do Ciebie przecież i tak nie dociera a ja nie zamierzam udowadniać losowej osobie w internecie, że jestem Polakiem. Z resztą i tak pewnie zostanie to uznane za wykorzystanie tłumacza google więc tym mniej w tym sensu.

Question is why Soros and Biden say Putin must be stopped? If you asked me I'd say because of a conflict of interests but not on a moral ground (or in a smaller scale) but mostly because of financial interest.

It's OBVIOUS that the more countries are in NATO, the better for the USA and the worse for Russia. But does it mean we should accept Russia taking Ukraine by force to weaken the USA? That's ridiculous. No, that's preposterous because it means we gladly consent to leave helpless people be terrorized, starved to death and humiliated for not being obedient to Matuszka Rasija.

I'm not into politics, I'm into helping people and seeing how power-hunger is putin gives me even stronger will against his actions. I suggest you to stop seeing enemies everywhere - I may be a fairly fresh member of ChristianChat but I didn't join here because of the Russian agression - I joined because I wanted to meet other people of faith. Of course you'll probably call it a lie but I couldn't care less than right now knowing I cannot prove anything with my words only.

A Polish person who knows how to use Google translate joins a predominantly American message board, when Russia and Ukraine are hot topics in Western media, then proceeds to promote anti-Russian propaganda almost immediately upon arrival. That’s totally organic. Nothing to see here.

 

[JohnDB]

A Polish person who knows how to use Google translate joins a predominantly American message board, when Russia and Ukraine are hot topics in Western media, then proceeds to promote anti-Russian propaganda almost immediately upon arrival. That’s totally organic. Nothing to see here.

Currently there is no one promoting Russia except for Iran.

THE WHOLE WORLD is against Russia!

So where are you from? Russia or Iran?

 

[Runningman]

Currently there is no one promoting Russia except for Iran.

THE WHOLE WORLD is against Russia!

So where are you from? Russia or Iran?

Wow. I’m either Russian or Iranian. Your logic is infallible.

 

[JohnDB]

Wow. I’m either Russian or Iranian. Your logic is infallible.

It IS following the logic.
Yours? Highly questionable.

 

[JohnDB]

The truth is that Russia is going to enslave the Ukrainians. A free and independent nation is going to be enslaved by the Russians at the point of a gun.

Who in the world would promote that except for Russia or Iran?

 

[Runningman]

It IS following the logic.
Yours? Highly questionable.

What’s your point? Am I welcome here no matter where I’m from?

 

[Runningman]

The truth is that Russia is going to enslave the Ukrainians. A free and independent nation is going to be enslaved by the Russians at the point of a gun.

Who in the world would promote that except for Russia or Iran?

There’s the invincible logic again. Americans never point their guns at anyone right?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Wow. I’m either Russian or Iranian. Your logic is infallible.

lol amen a lot of Americans are holding your same view . A lot are holding the opposite view also

to try to label you not American because of your opinion on the matter is silly and shows

 

[Nehemiah6]

The truth is that Russia is going to enslave the Ukrainians.

People seem to have forgotten that it was Putin who helped Assad in Syria to not only keep his people enslaved, but also to brutalize them, torture them, and kill them with chemical and conventional weapons. And that is exactly what Putin would do in Ukraine.

 

[Runningman]

People seem to have already forgotten that it was Assad who stood as the gatekeeper to Europe. After Americans destroyed him the migrant invasion began and European leaders welcomed caravans of anti-Christians with open arms. Now Europe is being Islamafied among many other atrocities.

 

[Nehemiah6]

After Americans destroyed him the migrant invasion began and European leaders welcomed caravans of anti-Christians with open arms.

Assad has not been destroyed in Syria and is still hanging on to his power. But the migrant invasions began because the globalist elites (including all the leaders of European nations) had an agenda to destroy all Western nations, and reduce them to third-world status. Assad had nothing to do with that.

The Europeans could have easily negotiated with (or persuaded) Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to accept all Muslim and Arab refugees. Those are wealthy Muslim countries with the huge landmass on the Arabian peninsula mostly uninhabited. Absolutely every Muslim refugee could have been settled there and even become prosperous. There was no need for disgusting refugee camps and people being funneled into Europe through Turkey.

But the European leaders (influenced by Davos, the WEF, and ultimately Satan) did not want Europe to have distinct nations and distinct national identities. Neither did they want them to have liberty and justice for all. So they first created the myth of the European Union (which has been a total failure), and then opened their borders to flood Europe (and the UK) with migrant invaders. And let's not forget that evil billionaires like George Soros have the same agenda -- make all Western countries into third world hellholes, so that the globalist elites control and enslave everyone. So billions of dollars have gone to create phony "refugees" in Europe, while America is being flooded from the South with an open border controlled by Mexican cartels and millions of invaders (including criminals, terrorists, and gangsters) have flooded the USA.

 

[Runningman]

Assad has not been destroyed in Syria and is still hanging on to his power. But the migrant invasions began because the globalist elites (including all the leaders of European nations) had an agenda to destroy all Western nations, and reduce them to third-world status. Assad had nothing to do with that.

The Europeans could have easily negotiated with (or persuaded) Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to accept all Muslim and Arab refugees. Those are wealthy Muslim countries with the huge landmass on the Arabian peninsula mostly uninhabited. Absolutely every Muslim refugee could have been settled there and even become prosperous. There was no need for disgusting refugee camps and people being funneled into Europe through Turkey.

But the European leaders (influenced by Davos, the WEF, and ultimately Satan) did not want Europe to have distinct nations and distinct national identities. Neither did they want them to have liberty and justice for all. So they first created the myth of the European Union (which has been a total failure), and then opened their borders to flood Europe (and the UK) with migrant invaders. And let's not forget that evil billionaires like George Soros have the same agenda -- make all Western countries into third world hellholes, so that the globalist elites control and enslave everyone. So billions of dollars have gone to create phony "refugees" in Europe, while America is being flooded from the South with an open border controlled by Mexican cartels and millions of invaders (including criminals, terrorists, and gangsters) have flooded the USA.

Not sure why I said Assad, but I meant Gaddafi. That was a mistake to topple his regime regardless of the flaws. Power vacuums have a tendency to be filled and they aren’t always filled with something better. The actions of the USA are not always righteous despite their propaganda campaigns to convince the world otherwise.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The actions of the USA are not always righteous despite their propaganda campaigns to convince the world otherwise.

Agreed. The foreign policy of the USA for the last 100 years has been an ABSOLUTE DISASTER. Not once has the American government achieved anything positive. So now we have this mess in Ukraine because of America. Can't blame a rascal for taking advantage of stupidity.

 

[Marilyn]

Jesus said, "I am not of this world.....They are not of the world." (John 17: 14 & 16) The `world` meaning the world system, how it operates.

This World System is dominated by the prevalence of sin with its own methods, manners, customs, fashions and laws.

This System operates apart from God and offers position, possession and power, (authority) to those who serve its interests.

Thus mankind in rebellion against God and controlled by demonic influences, are in darkness. This is a darkness of their minds which is self - seeking and foolish.

`...although they (man) knew God they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.` (Rom. 1: 21)

Pray for people, help people, but do NOT get entangled with the world system.

 

[SophieT]

The real battle is spiritual. God's people need to pray as never before. During WW2, many Christians prayed. Hitler made decisions that seemed crazy. Invading Russia was one, not building more submarines another. Christians at the time credited God with confusing His enemies. I agree 100%.

I agree with the rest of your post, but regarding the above ^^^

I read a book some years back about the group that got together to pray that Hitler would be unable to invade England because it seemed he was on the way to doing so

found a website about it:

On December 26, 1934 Rees Howells received a vision from the Holy Spirit in the middle of the night. It was 3am, and the Lord began to call him into faith for world evangelization and the completion of the Great Commission.

Rees was an intercessor with powerful testimonies of answered prayer, so he took this very seriously. He knew it would naturally require him to take direct responsibility to see it come to pass. His burden of prayer shifted from local concerns to that of national and international focus. Rees became a man with a world vision—the “Every Creature Vision” as Jesus gave His disciples in Mark 16:15.

thought maybe some might like to know more about how that all transpired

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Jesus said, "I am not of this world.....They are not of the world." (John 17: 14 & 16) The `world` meaning the world system, how it operates.

This World System is dominated by the prevalence of sin with its own methods, manners, customs, fashions and laws.

This System operates apart from God and offers position, possession and power, (authority) to those who serve its interests.

Thus mankind in rebellion against God and controlled by demonic influences, are in darkness. This is a darkness of their minds which is self - seeking and foolish.

`...although they (man) knew God they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.` (Rom. 1: 21)

Pray for people, help people, but do NOT get entangled with the world system.

amen

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your correct this world is corrupt it’s only our journey home and it’s dark and offers many temptations and evils trying to corrupt us along with it

 

[Jokurandomi]

I have the same sense, and yet I do fear God--sometimes He wants us to be restrained until the right path is made clear to us. So I'm personally hesitant about declaring God wants this or that. Personally, I'd love to see somebody's air force bear down on that caravan of tanks coming down towards Kiev from the north.



Yes, I think this is a critically-important point when determining the ethics of getting involved, if it comes to that. God condemns those who move boundary stones, or who don't live up to their covenant agreement. Russia is clearly cursed. It's just a matter of how God wishes to judge her.

My Grandfather had to escape Russia from his home in Ukraine, and was under threat of being shot. I don't blame him for leaving! I was told my other Grandfather left Finland because he didn't want to be conscripted into the Russian military.



Clearly, Biden tests which way the wind is blowing before acting. He hides behind the "skirts" of European policy. He leads from behind.



Sounds like we think a lot of the same thoughts. Thanks.

He left Finland? What do you mean? :0 Finland has been independent since 1917 so either your grandfather was really old or then you got something wildly wrong

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

op: Moral courage or foolishness?

Should we "do something" about evil? The Virginian says: "IF you
see something wrong and DON'T do something about it, THEN you
become part of it."

Years ago, (I may be mistaken that) I saw/found/studied about a
(God's?) devastating blow to my traditional "water belief" christianity:

Only ONE Baptism, Today, Under God's GRACE? I prayed, I asked some
questions, then I prayed some more, and then I RAN from evil
Divisiveness...

Moral courage or foolishness?

GRACE And Peace...

 

[randyk]

He left Finland? What do you mean? :0 Finland has been independent since 1917 so either your grandfather was really old or then you got something wildly wrong

Yes, my Grandfather has been dead for many years.