the setting does not change.
The same setting in the "one taken/left".
Same setting.
Taken before the flood ... before the trib.
One taken,one left. The rapture.
- Thread starter Absolutely
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
The same setting in the "one taken/left".
Same setting.
Taken before the flood ... before the trib.
The last trump is blown every year at the feast of trumpets.
But are you saying the last trump is not the seventh trump?
What a nasty attitude.
I disagree with many people here but do not harbor ill will towards them.You need to get in some Jesus time or something to separate disagreement on doctrine from hatred for your brother.
Your hatred is unacceptable.
Okay, I see your point now.
There's only one problem with that...
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"They" were not "taken" before the flood, but by the flood. Methinks your theory just got... um... washed away.
I do not hate you or anyone.
There are many attitudes that are intolerable to me. Patronizing what you assume is a weaker gender is intolerable it is not hatered.
The attitude I am always right and you are wrong is another attitude I cannot stand.
You come across a though you know everything and cannot be corrected.
Just look back in this thread and see postings of others to you,then your answers..
Maybe you need some Prayer and study time!
An important note is that the seventh angel trumpet is not necessarily the last trumpet.
I haven't heard that interpretation before. Seemingly, the entirety of Revelation is set on the day of the Lord. Although I admit it is possible that the flow of time within Revelation isn't necessarily linear.
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet" - Revelation 1:10 KJV
Scripture says nothing about the way you describe events. What do you do, make up Scripture interpretations as you see fit. Are you making this stuff up? Where are you getting this from?
Absolutely your interpretation of the Great Flood is all 'WET' and all wrong. At the great flood, Noah and his family, the righteous were saved and they remained on earth. The unrighteous were not saved, they were taken away and destroyed. This is very clear in Scripture. Absolutely, you seem to be making up Scripture as to your own beliefs, a false and misleading Scripture interpretation. Where are you getting your info from or are you making it up?
Okay, I see your point now.
There's only one problem with that...
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"They" were not "taken" before the flood, but by the flood. Methinks your theory just got... um... washed away.
What seems to be 'washed away' is 'they all went through the tribulation as they were all 'saved' from the GT/WRATH. (Faith/Christ is our 'ark' and/or 'angels taking our arms). So Noah and Lot WERE TEMPTED/TESTED/PROVED and then saved. The OTHERS were tempted tested and TAKEN in by the deception/tribulation.
We know 'the tribulation' was the 'taking and giving in marriage' and the 'strange flesh' and we KNOW this was the issue because
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
Taken in by the deceivers/fallen angels/deception that comes upon the world vs Noah and Lot being left behind to continue on LIVING.
Questions I would like anyone to give thoughts
If Jesus is commanded BY GOD to 'be at the right hand until enemies made footstool', they when could Jesus leave before SATAN for a pre trib rapture? Wouldn't that make Jesus at the footstool of Satan?
If there is a war going on in heaven how can Jesus leave with the armies to rapture pre trib?
If we are told not to be deceived by any man and we are not to believe 'lo here or there is Christ', then how can we believe anyone who tells us, YO, there, in the sky, is Christ?
How could Jesus make this request, "Not I do ask that you should take them out of the world but that You should keep them from evil" knowing HE himself would be coming to take them out of the world?
If we are told the Day of the Lord and our gathering to Him isn't until AFTER the working of Satan, After the man of sin revealed, After the apostasy, how can anyone be gathered before all those things take place?
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Doesn't this tell us A THIEF is coming, DON'T let the house be broken into?
Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them, 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
If it is WITH OIL that a 'lamp stays lit' wouldn't the taking of OIL, and being called WISE for doing so, SUGGEST that the lamp will need to be LIT? aka NOT PRE TRIB?
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
(tribulation with gospel armor on)
6 And at midnight
(suggesting the 'sun as sackcloth' aka Satan here)
there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
(buy and selling also suggestive of 'Satans arrival)
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
If Jesus is commanded BY GOD to 'be at the right hand until enemies made footstool', they when could Jesus leave before SATAN for a pre trib rapture? Wouldn't that make Jesus at the footstool of Satan?
If there is a war going on in heaven how can Jesus leave with the armies to rapture pre trib?
If we are told not to be deceived by any man and we are not to believe 'lo here or there is Christ', then how can we believe anyone who tells us, YO, there, in the sky, is Christ?
How could Jesus make this request, "Not I do ask that you should take them out of the world but that You should keep them from evil" knowing HE himself would be coming to take them out of the world?
If we are told the Day of the Lord and our gathering to Him isn't until AFTER the working of Satan, After the man of sin revealed, After the apostasy, how can anyone be gathered before all those things take place?
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Doesn't this tell us A THIEF is coming, DON'T let the house be broken into?
Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them, 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
If it is WITH OIL that a 'lamp stays lit' wouldn't the taking of OIL, and being called WISE for doing so, SUGGEST that the lamp will need to be LIT? aka NOT PRE TRIB?
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
(tribulation with gospel armor on)
6 And at midnight
(suggesting the 'sun as sackcloth' aka Satan here)
there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
(buy and selling also suggestive of 'Satans arrival)
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Zechariah 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
R
RichMan
Guest
R
RichMan
Guest
So you believe the last trump that Paul says will announce the time of the gathering will be after the seven angels blow their trumps?
R
RichMan
Guest
If you see this as a mirror of the gathering then why ignore that the destruction began the day they were removed and not seven years later?
"They" were not "taken" before the flood, but by the flood. Methinks your theory just got... um... washed away.
Agreed.
The ones "taken" were [and are (rather, will be), in this context] "taken away in judgment"
____________
As to the OP, here's my response, from another recent thread on the Subject (scroll down to where Abs asks the question, "And the group taken?"):
Post #3688 (page 185) - https://christianchat.com/threads/t...at-happens-at-the-rapture.203234/post-4791697
That even further bolsters my position.Okay, I see your point now.
There's only one problem with that...
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"They" were not "taken" before the flood, but by the flood. Methinks your theory just got... um... washed away.
Because postribs need the "wicked taken" at the second coming.
That would be impossible.
Plus...They were not " taken" mid flood or post flood.
They were taken at the start.
But you are missing the point by shifting the focus on "the wicked"
I am saying NOAH is Jesus example. He entered the ark ( a type of heaben) pretrib/flood.
It is simply factual for the Holy Spirit to shift the setting as "before the flood"
IOW, "mid flood", "post flood" would be ridiculous.
That same setting/timeframe is STILL in context in the "onetaken-left"
Oh really? I honestly thought it was the most common plain-text interpretation of Matthew 24. What do you see that it means?
So you now have a pretrib rapture of the wicked?
That is what happens when the emphasis of the story shifts to an indirect dynamic.
It is Noah brought to the safety of the ark FIRST...PREFLOOD...PRETRIB
That is the crux of the issue.
The setting
The same exact setting of the "one taken-left"
There is zero there of a post flood-trib removal of any wicked.
( in either story)
So if you try to make the "one taken" into a "wicked taken" at the white horses, it is an IMPOSSIBLE task.
It WILL NOT fit.