Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!
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you said God could not possibly use the sorceress, on principle.
so i brought up Balaam, a sorcerer, whom God absolutely definitely used.
therefore your principle is falsified.
regarding types, in every account we have typologically Christ foremost, because all scripture is of Him and teaches of Him, and we have often the Father, and we have antichrist/Satan, and we have Israel, and we have the church and/or the world: the people of Christ or the people of antichrist/Satan.
yes, Balaam is a type of antichrist/people of the antichrist.
so who is the typological antichrist in 1 Samuel 28? Saul or the witch of Endor?
i'm going to tell you the witch of Endor is a type of the church. she recognizes & fears God. she repents. she does good to her enemy, showing him hospitality, mercy and kindness.
and who is the type of Christ in 1 Samuel 28?
what do you think? a demon represents Christ?
this passage has to be properly interpreted. you have to find Christ in it, or you have no hope of understanding it.
you need to leave your eisegesis outside, and let scripture speak for itself: it is the word of God, testifying of Christ. let God speak.
so i brought up Balaam, a sorcerer, whom God absolutely definitely used.
therefore your principle is falsified.
regarding types, in every account we have typologically Christ foremost, because all scripture is of Him and teaches of Him, and we have often the Father, and we have antichrist/Satan, and we have Israel, and we have the church and/or the world: the people of Christ or the people of antichrist/Satan.
yes, Balaam is a type of antichrist/people of the antichrist.
so who is the typological antichrist in 1 Samuel 28? Saul or the witch of Endor?
i'm going to tell you the witch of Endor is a type of the church. she recognizes & fears God. she repents. she does good to her enemy, showing him hospitality, mercy and kindness.
and who is the type of Christ in 1 Samuel 28?
what do you think? a demon represents Christ?
this passage has to be properly interpreted. you have to find Christ in it, or you have no hope of understanding it.
you need to leave your eisegesis outside, and let scripture speak for itself: it is the word of God, testifying of Christ. let God speak.
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the scripture says explicitly that Samuel spoke directly to Saul.
anyone who denies that simply has to refuse to believe the scripture.
there is no room for difference of interpretation on this -- there is only you believe it, or you have other views you hold more dear so you reject what is written.
Samuel can only mean Samuel. there is no nuance to what may be meant by Samuel.
so either it is really Samuel, or scripture is lying.
anyone who denies that simply has to refuse to believe the scripture.
there is no room for difference of interpretation on this -- there is only you believe it, or you have other views you hold more dear so you reject what is written.
Samuel can only mean Samuel. there is no nuance to what may be meant by Samuel.
so either it is really Samuel, or scripture is lying.
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Enjoy!
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Prove it.
Amen Jesus!
You KNOW you don't obey Moses. Stop telling us you do!
Caps get your attention.
You blasphemed the Holy Spirit?
"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"
Amen Jesus!
You KNOW you don't obey Moses. Stop telling us you do!
Caps get your attention.
Speaking against the Scriptures is basically blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus says to avoid slander or you will be destroyed, and then you use the same verse to slander and infer an eternal torture chamber called hell.
Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
We will begin with this, till next post.
Jesus says to avoid slander or you will be destroyed, and then you use the same verse to slander and infer an eternal torture chamber called hell.
Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
We will begin with this, till next post.
"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"
Don't you check for context?
"Matthew 5:22 is in the context of legal matters. Prove it."
A liitle up. Jesus Fulfills the Law
Matt 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
A liitle up. Old law of thou shalt not murder
Matt 5:21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
A liitle down. Old law at that thou shalt not commit adultery
27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Further down, divorce issues
31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: Vows
"You KNOW you don't obey Moses. Stop telling us you do!"
It is not about me duckybill, if that is your real name.
I am comfortable with the times and seasons. It is your claim that you speak for Jesus. You have already disregarded Matthew 5:18.
"Caps get your attention." Yes it does. It is somehat amusing. Can I ask how long that takes to show your anger in such a way? It feels like a young child talking, no offence.
"You blasphemed the Holy Spirit?" I could be if the hell doctrine was true. How many possible Christians would be turned of by An All Loving God.? Hmm, what a dastardly message all supported by the bible. But I will stick to my guns. Hell is a false doctrine of the nicolaitan sort. Which segways to my duckybill hypocrisy numero deux.
Anyways Post "Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!"
"OT? The NT teaches MUCH about the "everlasting fire". No need for OT." Post #1,846
speaking about definitions
Jesus fulfilled the Wisdom of God.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
In fact, h\He did as His Father Said.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
So when you belittle the OT are you insulting God or Jesus? Both are blasphemies in my book.
"Matthew 5:22 is in the context of legal matters. Prove it."
A liitle up. Jesus Fulfills the Law
Matt 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
A liitle up. Old law of thou shalt not murder
Matt 5:21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
A liitle down. Old law at that thou shalt not commit adultery
27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Further down, divorce issues
31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: Vows
"You KNOW you don't obey Moses. Stop telling us you do!"
It is not about me duckybill, if that is your real name.
I am comfortable with the times and seasons. It is your claim that you speak for Jesus. You have already disregarded Matthew 5:18.
"Caps get your attention." Yes it does. It is somehat amusing. Can I ask how long that takes to show your anger in such a way? It feels like a young child talking, no offence.
"You blasphemed the Holy Spirit?" I could be if the hell doctrine was true. How many possible Christians would be turned of by An All Loving God.? Hmm, what a dastardly message all supported by the bible. But I will stick to my guns. Hell is a false doctrine of the nicolaitan sort. Which segways to my duckybill hypocrisy numero deux.
Anyways Post "Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!"
"OT? The NT teaches MUCH about the "everlasting fire". No need for OT." Post #1,846
speaking about definitions
Jesus fulfilled the Wisdom of God.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
In fact, h\He did as His Father Said.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
So when you belittle the OT are you insulting God or Jesus? Both are blasphemies in my book.
Blasphemy of hellmongering
Consider earthly conduct
James 2:11For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. 12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
This is the explanation of the Law vis-a-vis your denial of the OT. But, carrying on, does mercy triumph over judgement in your hell or will you deny this verse also?
Consider false prophets
Matt 15:3He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
15Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
So what of torture in your spectrum of heartfelt thoughts like adultery or slander? Don't hellmongers imagine the writhing pain of the resident. Think of cheating you are a cheater. Think of slander you are a murderer. Are these true or are you going to deny these notions too?
Cancer to the body of Christ
2 Tim 2:15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
Milleniallists perhaps? Hellmongers with their immortal soul? Doctrines that destroy the faith of others are not Christian. It is the hallmark of wickedness. But hey, hell is like a sanctioned assassination from a secular nation. Is God a secular nation to you?
Consider the purpose of Christ
John 3:17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Where is hell in this formula. John in the whole synoptics never even hinted a hell, only eternal life if one accepts the Gift from God.
What is the Characteristic of Christian faith
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Romans 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"
How does hell demonstrate the Glorious Love of God? Hellmonger, fearmonger, nicolaitan - they all speak of something other than the blessings of a Divine Father. So when a hellmonger condemns those who are taught lessons of mercy and are firmly obedient in the Father's Love, are you obeying Jesus. When you compell the slaves of mercy to imagine all sorts of torture before God, are you preparing them for judgement? Your doctrine of hell when spoken defiles the lessons of Jesus and the idea of sonship.
So here is the blasphemy. Hell is filled with those that do not believe in hell. It is foundational in your mind. So those who obey hell have an image of hell imprinted in their mind. Torture, screaming, exquisite pain etc... But before God such thoughts are not acceptable. So those who believe would go to the lake of hell and those who don't believe go to the lake of hell. So in theory, everyone goes to hell! You are calling God's Creations absurd. A total catch-22. Sounds like Blasphemy of the Most High to me.
You have already disregarded Matthew 5:18.
What about James 2:11. Matt 15:19,
Are 2 Tim 2:15 applicable to hellmongers.
Was Jesus sent to show hell? Is hell supposed to give the Christian faith or fear? Show me the hell formula in John3:17 conform 1 John 4:18, Romans 8:15
Consider earthly conduct
James 2:11For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. 12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
This is the explanation of the Law vis-a-vis your denial of the OT. But, carrying on, does mercy triumph over judgement in your hell or will you deny this verse also?
Consider false prophets
Matt 15:3He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
15Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
So what of torture in your spectrum of heartfelt thoughts like adultery or slander? Don't hellmongers imagine the writhing pain of the resident. Think of cheating you are a cheater. Think of slander you are a murderer. Are these true or are you going to deny these notions too?
Cancer to the body of Christ
2 Tim 2:15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
Milleniallists perhaps? Hellmongers with their immortal soul? Doctrines that destroy the faith of others are not Christian. It is the hallmark of wickedness. But hey, hell is like a sanctioned assassination from a secular nation. Is God a secular nation to you?
Consider the purpose of Christ
John 3:17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Where is hell in this formula. John in the whole synoptics never even hinted a hell, only eternal life if one accepts the Gift from God.
What is the Characteristic of Christian faith
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Romans 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"
How does hell demonstrate the Glorious Love of God? Hellmonger, fearmonger, nicolaitan - they all speak of something other than the blessings of a Divine Father. So when a hellmonger condemns those who are taught lessons of mercy and are firmly obedient in the Father's Love, are you obeying Jesus. When you compell the slaves of mercy to imagine all sorts of torture before God, are you preparing them for judgement? Your doctrine of hell when spoken defiles the lessons of Jesus and the idea of sonship.
So here is the blasphemy. Hell is filled with those that do not believe in hell. It is foundational in your mind. So those who obey hell have an image of hell imprinted in their mind. Torture, screaming, exquisite pain etc... But before God such thoughts are not acceptable. So those who believe would go to the lake of hell and those who don't believe go to the lake of hell. So in theory, everyone goes to hell! You are calling God's Creations absurd. A total catch-22. Sounds like Blasphemy of the Most High to me.
You have already disregarded Matthew 5:18.
What about James 2:11. Matt 15:19,
Are 2 Tim 2:15 applicable to hellmongers.
Was Jesus sent to show hell? Is hell supposed to give the Christian faith or fear? Show me the hell formula in John3:17 conform 1 John 4:18, Romans 8:15
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Yes, OSAS proponents continually find themselves broken, snared, caught by failing to compare Scripture with Scripture. Here's an example of Isaiah 28 approved hermeneutics:
Saint Paul did not want to be a "castway".
David prayed not to be "castaway" and devoid of God's Spirit.
Paul says "If any man hath not the Spirit of God, he is none of His."
Conclusion: Saint Paul did not want to become a castaway devoid of God's Spirit, leaving him no longer the property of Jesus (Galatians 3:29 KJV) and lost.
Saint Paul did not want to be a "castway".
David prayed not to be "castaway" and devoid of God's Spirit.
Paul says "If any man hath not the Spirit of God, he is none of His."
Conclusion: Saint Paul did not want to become a castaway devoid of God's Spirit, leaving him no longer the property of Jesus (Galatians 3:29 KJV) and lost.