Do SDA believe Michael is God?
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Angels do not worship angels Herbews 1I heard one guy say archangel means captain of angels. Of course we know our Lord Jesus isn't a created being, but is over all the angels.
Agreed. You will find a whole spectrum of beliefs on most Christian forums so the only thing to do is refute error and post Bible truth.
Title still says "KJV". I will not be participating in a thread which title of mocks God's word in English. To participate in that thread, even though internally it is changed to NKJV, would be to lift the title of the thread before others and give a false impression. Create a new thread with proper title, I'll participate.
Hebrews 1 says this:
Hebrews 1:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Is Jesus the "express image" of the Father's person, making Him the One who is just like His Father?
Is Jesus a messenger for the Father in those verses?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Do the created ("maketh", vs 7) angels worship Jesus?
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Is Jesus anointed above His "fellows"? Who are the "fellows" in the context? Why are they His "fellows"? What is their job/position?
If Jesus is a messenger of the Father, is He the lowest or highest messenger of the Father?
This person, standing before Joshua son of Nun, is?I heard one guy say archangel means captain of angels. Of course we know our Lord Jesus isn't a created being, but is over all the angels.
Joshua 5:
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?
15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
how am i demoting Jesus by saying that "Jesus can be what ever He wants to be".
He is the Lord of Lords and by appearing as an angel does not in any way make Him less. I did not say He is an Angel i said He can appear as an angel. Understanding the power and ways of God almighty is beyond us.
Jesus is the creator of mankind and Jesus became a man after sin was part of us. Is this blasphemy? no. i love Him all the more.
Not in Revelation. Throughout that book He's consistently called the Lamb. If it was really him who defeated Satan, it would've said that the Lamb fought with Satan and his angels, not Michael.
Actually there's an important lesson there. Satan was a "covering cherub", like the two cherubim that cover God's throne on the Ark of the Covenant; Angels though are generally in much lower rank than cherub. But in Rev. 12, an archangel defeated Satan, not because Michael's angels are twice of Satan's, but Michael is empowered by God. It's very humiliating to Satan that he couldn't prevail over an underling archangel.
No, because as I provided already, Revelation 12 is written in a structurally chiastic (parallel) and unbreakable order and uses multiple names for the devil and the Son of the Father, who are the primary combatants from Heaven to Eden, to Bethlehem to wilderness experience to Calvary and beyond.
That's actually an error of misunderstanding of the 1/3.
1/3 stars - Godhead, which includes Jesus the morning star.
1/3 stars - angels like Gabriel, the one half of created angels which remained loyal.
1/3 stars - angels which followed Satan, one half of created angels which fell by apostasy.
I actually do believe that Revelation is largely written in parallel structure, but not this individual chapter. You've just read a lot of stuffs that's not in there.
I noticed that too a few years ago. If Michael was Jesus then he would not be just 'one' of the chief princes but 'the' chief prince.
