Difference between Baptized with the Holy Ghost and being FILLED with the Holy Ghost vs
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If speaking n tongues is the initial evidence that someone is filled with the Holy Spirit then this fit not to the claim of the starter of this thread.
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This thing of people stating that speaking in tongues is evident of being filled with the Holy Spirit. i.e. if you do not speak in tongues you are not filled with the Holy Spirit, is getting old.
Very judgmental on their part.
Very judgmental on their part.
Interesting thread topic. Yes, there is a difference between being baptized with the Spirit and being filled with it.
I have heard from preachers that "being filled with the Spirit" is synonymous with being "controlled by" the Spirit. This is something the believer can actually develop/pursue by NOT quenching and vexing the Spirit, but instead by attuning to it and listening to its promptings.
Haven't read all the comments here, will poke around a bit.
I have heard from preachers that "being filled with the Spirit" is synonymous with being "controlled by" the Spirit. This is something the believer can actually develop/pursue by NOT quenching and vexing the Spirit, but instead by attuning to it and listening to its promptings.
Haven't read all the comments here, will poke around a bit.
It's YOUR choice to disagree with the word of God.
Can you NOT see the differences of functions of God?
The Father chose his people and wife..aka Israel. He dealt with her all through the O.T......their rebellion,idolatry,backslidings,whoremongering with others outside their ethnicity and rejection of God.
Jesus came in God's love,the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son to seek and to save the world that was lost and had NO relationship with God...everyone and anyone who would believe on him.
The Holy Spirit came to prepare Christ's bride for her marriage to the Lamb.
We ALL must believe the WORD and ONLY the word taught to us by the Holy Spirit.
Work out your OWN salvation,for all will give their OWN account!
baptism of the Holy Ghost is to be a new born christian and we either grow from there and bear it’s fruit or we don’t.
we’re first born of the one spirit but we then grow up by accepting and being led by the spirit or we continue on being led of the flesh
We’re given this estate when we receive the spirit
“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans 8:12-14 KJV
when we receive the spirit we have to try en yield to the spirit and live after the spirit found in the gospel
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”
Galatians 5:16-25 KJV
we only encounter the Holy Spirit once at that point it’s like a baby and we then need to believe and follow after the spirit revealed to us and no longer continue being ruled and led by our flesh
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
as we follow the gospel the flesh dies and it’s deeds become mortified as we grow in the spirit which results in sanctification to be. A prized of the spirit is simply to receive the spirit , then we need to actually follow that spirit we received of Christ remission of sins comes by baptism in water , baptism of the Holy Spirit is a result of receiving the word of God believing and following after it is what crucifies the flesh and brings our sanctification to light in truth and deed being actually manifest in our actions Coming from a pure heart circumcised by faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”
John 5:25 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
John 15:3-6 KJV
Receiving the holt spirit is a gift , whether we choose to hear and follow the spirit and reject the flesh is up To us and what we choose will determine our end
We can spend our life sowing to the flesh or to the spirit we receive and will reap the spoils of whichever we choose to pursue
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;
but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
Galatians 6:7-8 KJV
I will just use Bible and those here and analyze what they think
John 1:32-33
32 And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
Acts 9:17
And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Eph 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,
John 1:32-33
32 And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
Acts 9:17
And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Eph 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,
Well, i would say without a clarification it s difficult to talk about it. F e. some believe that baptism with/ of the Holy Spirit includes the gift of speaking in toungues, while others dont believe this.
So what do you believe regarding this?
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RichMan
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I do not speak in tongues so according to you I am not filled with the Holy Spirit.
That is what the word says not according to me.
The HS is God and comes when we are born again, just as the Father and Son but he is more.
WE ALL HAVE HIM WITH AND UPON US,but being filled is a step further in faith.
Scripture teaches that tongues is the sign of his indwelling,taking abode in us to carry out his gifts and functions in the church.
You can take yourself in prayer to God and search the scriptures to find where you stand in him!
We do not know until we seek,we do not have until we ask.
Do not take anything I say except the word,which I gave in this thread. Measure it to the word with your spiritual eyes open for spiritual is confirmed by spiritual!
I am speaking of when a person is saved of course. There are those that hold to the thought that water baptism is the baptism of salvation, but they are wrong. The baptism of the Holy Spirit using the precious blood of Jesus shed on Calvarys Cross is what cleanses us of our sin and makes us worthy to be called a child of God.
Agree or not, this is salvation.......baptism of the Holy Spirit...
Sanctification differs
Starting to speak in tongues (for the first time) is almost synonymous with both "being baptized with the Holy Ghost" and "receiving the Holy Ghost".
That's why in Acts 10:45-46 Those believing Jews that came with Peter were astonished... Because when they heard some Gentiles start speaking in tongues they KNEW that those Gentiles had just "received the Holy Ghost". It wasn't a question, it was an undeniable fact to which those Jews had to adjust.
When the Apostles and the rest of the 120-ish ALL were filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak with other tongues as the spirit gave them utterance, they were "baptized with the Holy Ghost" according to the promise and command of Jesus in Acts 1:4,5&8.
It was discounted and wrongly attributed by those who were unlearned or unbelievers on the day of Pentecost, and it is still discounted and wrongly attributed by those who are unlearned or unbelievers today, per 1 Corinthians 14:23.
No matter how much it is God moving (think day of Pentecost) the unlearned and unbelievers will always say it is of the flesh or of the devil... because it is WRITTEN that they will.
Love in Jesus to all who hear (and I pray all may hear),
Kelby
Then it is interesting, that according your teaching before 1900 almost non believers were filled with the Holy Spirit and even non of them received the Holy Spirit.
And also since 1900 you alone can find filled with the Holy Spirit believers ore those which received the Holy Spirit in the pentecostal and charismatic Movements.
Also then fleshly Christians which you could find in the corithian church you would call filled with the Spirit, because the spoke in tongues.
Well this I would call false teaching.
Some people make outlandish comments about the 1900's LOL. The Infilling of the Holy Spirit or the Holy Spirit coming Upon a person(s) is clearly seen from the Old Testament to the New Testament down through the ages even today.
If one is going to look at the 1900s as the starting point of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit or the empowering of the Holy Spirit from a bias and at the expense of the word of God, that is an error.
If a person doesn't know from the word of what the following means about the Holy Spirit and HIS working with man:
These are all seen in the word of God.
If one is going to focus on the 1900s and not see the dark ages( God did not speak or move on man) within the time of the Bible, the early church, and down through the centuries that is a presupposition about all God has done to suggest Gods Spirit did no such thing until the 1900s.
God was silent to His people many times for many years and generations before the Spirit of the Lord Spoke to man or came upon him.
how many generations from Joseph to Moses before God heard the cry of HIS people? God was silent 400 years between Malachi to The Birth of Jesus.
we know that the working of the Holy Spirit was working the Reformation return to the word of God BUT Martin Luther had the Holy Spirit come upon him. How could that happen? if what was seen in the 1900s was not of God, the argument made by some is,
there was no such, move of God seen from the Canonization of the word of God until the claims made by Pentecostals /Charismatics
in 1901. Then the Holy Spirit could not have come upon Palcarp, Origen, Clement, those of the Reformation: Martin Luther or Calvin, those of the Holiness movement Wesley, Revival awakenings 1700s, Solomon Stoddard, Jonathan Edwards' 1800s,
Whitefield, Tennent, Moody, to the 20th Century.
The work of the Holy Spirit was so powerful they were known as a Move of God and an "Awakening", revival, and Move of the Spirit.
The Holy Spirit coming upon men and women to bring people back to God has never stopped. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are seen throughout the time of The Church no matter the age. And We see God was silent for times as well.
many church fathers and preachers of the church testify of the supernatural move of God and are well documented. Before the
1900s.
If one is going to look at the 1900s as the starting point of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit or the empowering of the Holy Spirit from a bias and at the expense of the word of God, that is an error.
If a person doesn't know from the word of what the following means about the Holy Spirit and HIS working with man:
- empowering of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38
- baptism of the Holy Spirit John 1:33
- having the Holy Spirit in you John 14:17
- Having the Holy come upon you Numbers 11:25, Judges 3:10, Judges 6:34, 1 Sam 16:13, EZ 37:1 Luke 3:22, Acts 2:3-4, Acts 19:6,
These are all seen in the word of God.
If one is going to focus on the 1900s and not see the dark ages( God did not speak or move on man) within the time of the Bible, the early church, and down through the centuries that is a presupposition about all God has done to suggest Gods Spirit did no such thing until the 1900s.
God was silent to His people many times for many years and generations before the Spirit of the Lord Spoke to man or came upon him.
how many generations from Joseph to Moses before God heard the cry of HIS people? God was silent 400 years between Malachi to The Birth of Jesus.
we know that the working of the Holy Spirit was working the Reformation return to the word of God BUT Martin Luther had the Holy Spirit come upon him. How could that happen? if what was seen in the 1900s was not of God, the argument made by some is,
there was no such, move of God seen from the Canonization of the word of God until the claims made by Pentecostals /Charismatics
in 1901. Then the Holy Spirit could not have come upon Palcarp, Origen, Clement, those of the Reformation: Martin Luther or Calvin, those of the Holiness movement Wesley, Revival awakenings 1700s, Solomon Stoddard, Jonathan Edwards' 1800s,
Whitefield, Tennent, Moody, to the 20th Century.
The work of the Holy Spirit was so powerful they were known as a Move of God and an "Awakening", revival, and Move of the Spirit.
The Holy Spirit coming upon men and women to bring people back to God has never stopped. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are seen throughout the time of The Church no matter the age. And We see God was silent for times as well.
many church fathers and preachers of the church testify of the supernatural move of God and are well documented. Before the
1900s.
It is interesting, that then out of charismatics and pentecostal churches no Christians to find which are filled with the Holy Spirit or received the Holy Spirit.
If you go to the newer churchhistory, let say from time of Reformation in england, swizerland, germany, netherlands then nobody from this Reformators were filled with the Holy Spirit ore received the Holy Spirit. Nobody of them taugth this ( reformed, calvinists, baptists, mennonites, bretheren) in their churches. Also not Wesley ( the holyness movement ) taught this in his churches.
Otherwise Agnes Ozman would not be called the first person which received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the gift of speaking in tongues as sign of it.
This teaching exclude automatically that non pentecostals or non charismatics can be filled with the Holy Spirit.
In my eyes this teaching split believers more then any other teaching.
Stubbornness and believing man's interpretations instead of letting God's word speak plus the I know all and cannot be taught attitude is what's split those who claim to be believers
What your saying is untrue.
Denominations are NOT what makes a soul a believer. Hearing and doing the word in faith makes one a believer.
The filling of the Holy Ghost has nothing to do with culture,race,teachings,ECT. But has ALL TO DO WITH WHAT AND HOW YOU ACCEPT WHAT THUS SAITH GOD'S WORD!
Your eyes? Try the word of God INSTEAD.
- empowering of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38
- baptism of the Holy Spirit John 1:33
- having the Holy Spirit in you John 14:17
- Having the Holy come upon you Numbers 11:25, Judges 3:10, Judges 6:34, 1 Sam 16:13, EZ 37:1 Luke 3:22, Acts 2:3-4, Acts 19:6,