God's 7000 Year Plan for Mankind - And a Timeline!

[Carry_Your_Name]

A model based on a nonliteral interpretation of the Genesis creation story would also rely on scripture to form its conclusions and chronology. Metaphor does not mean "none of this is real" only that there are hidden meanings represented by the descriptions.



It is a scripturally valid model to observe some lengths of time as figurative. Particularly in cases where 1000 years is mentioned or 1 day, or "the day of" something.

From a figurative interpretation, because the longest living human lived less than 1000 years, 1000 years can be seen an arbitrary, nonspecific, length of time longer than any mortal human can experience.

The reason we know at least one of the passages is figurative is because 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 cannot both be literally true at the same time. It is therefore the case that at least some descriptions in scripture are necessarily figurative.



No one claimed that the Big Bang was "from scripture" but the Big Bang is not necessarily incompatible with scripture.



It is could be the case that it was 7 literal 24 hour days. It could also be the case that "day" is figurative in Gen 1. A literal interpretation is indeed incompatible with a typical Big Bang model, but it is not necessarily the case that the Genesis account is literal.

Is Jesus literally bread? (John 6:35) Is the earth literally flat? Is heaven literally a physical place in the sky underneath water? (Genesis 1:6-8). It would be an unusual position to interpret everything in scripture literally.

Clearly there needs to be process behind what we reasonably consider to be literal and that which we consider to be figurative language. It's easy to turn off your brain and go on autopilot interpreting everything at face value, but scripture calls us to think about things and test all things. Interpreting everything as necessarily literal is not good exegesis.

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" - 1 Thes 5:21 KJV

Is Jesus literally bread? Yeah, Catholics think so, in transubstantiation - bread “literally” turns into the body of Christ, even though it still appears to be bread. In fact, this “bread” is the fulfillment of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread, he later said eat this IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

In the creation week it’s crystal clear, it says over and over and “the first day and night” - even before sun and moon were created! You just pretend that is something else because you’re brainwashed by the evolutionary world view from Satan. There could be a “could” in the case above about the bread, but there’s no “could” in those seven days. One day in creation week is a literal 24-hour day, period.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Doesn't change the fact that you've twisted Scripture!

I never did. You do, if you insist to fit the Big Bang in Genesis 1 in any way.

 

[Jocund]

Is Jesus literally bread? Yeah, Catholics think so, in transubstantiation - bread “literally” turns into the body of Christ, even though it still appears to be bread. In fact, this “bread” is the fulfillment of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread, he later said eat this IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

You clearly do not understand the concept of the Eucharist in the RCC. But you are missing the point. You clearly don't think Jesus is literally bread, therefore you too do not believe that the Bible only contains literal descriptions.

In the creation week it’s crystal clear, it says over and over and “the first day and night” - even before sun and moon were created!

It is crystal clear how it could be the case, but you have not demonstrated why it is necessarily the case or how it might compellingly be the case.

Is it literal or figurative? How would you know?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You clearly do not understand the concept of the Eucharist in the RCC. But you are missing the point. You clearly don't think Jesus is literally bread, therefore you too do not believe that the Bible only contains literal descriptions.

Actually I do. That "bread" was a reference of unleavened Jewish bread, known as "matzah". The dough is BEATEN to get rid of any potential air, and it's PRICKED after it's rolled out, exactly like Jesus's body. And the purpose to eat that is "IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME". Is REMEMBRANCE literal? He never said that you ought to sacrifice his body at any alter again and again. We present ourselves as living sacrifice, not the holy communion at Eucharist.

It is crystal clear how it could be the case, but you have not demonstrated why it is necessarily the case or how it might compellingly be the case.

Is it literal or figurative? How would you know?

I know that you can't serve God and the Big Bang. You're just muddying the water, making simple stuff complicated. Genesis 1 is crystal clear, you're reading it with foggy glasses.

 

[Jocund]

Actually I do. That "bread" was a reference of unleavened Jewish bread, known as "matzah". The dough is BEATEN to get rid of any potential air, and it's PRICKED after it's rolled out, exactly like Jesus's body. And the purpose to eat that is "IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME". Is REMEMBRANCE literal? He never said that you ought to sacrifice his body at any alter again and again. We present ourselves as living sacrifice, not the holy communion at Eucharist.

I suggest you look up what figurative means.

I know that you can't serve God and the Big Bang.

It is unusual that you consider the Big Bang model an idol.

You're just muddying the water, making simple stuff complicated.

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." - Matthew 13:10-15 KJV

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

That's actually why I asked those two questions at the beginning of my post. I think your explanation of the 120 years makes a lot of sense. I was taught something different in church, your explanation is better.

I think my point about God's spirit sustaining all life still holds however.

That spiritual aspect is reflected in a broken RELATIONSHIP with God. There doesn't have to be any physical change immediately when Adam ate the forbidden fruit, it's not like it's poisonous or something that started an aging process. What did immediately happen is that he and Eve realized that they violated the one and only commandment God gave them, therefore they hid in shame and fear. This is something we all have experienced, you know, doing something we shouldn't do behind our boss's, spouse's or parents' back, and we kept it as a secret and covered it up in fear of punishment.

You see, this is a big issue to most folks in the western mindset, that everything is on a physical, materal level, they just can't go anywhere beyond that.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I suggest you look up what figurative means.

I suggest you look up these cultural background in the gospels.

It is unusual that you consider the Big Bang model an idol.

It's a modern day golden calf that most "educated" snobs helplessly worship without awareness. You've probably heard this is a sermon that there're lots of golden calves in our lives. Big Bang in particular is worship of creation instead of the Almighty Creator, which is exactly warned in Romans 1.

Matthew 13:10-15 KJV

Those parables are not mere stories or a teaching methods, every one of them has prophetic significance. Regarding that specific parable of the Sower, Jesus Himself came down and REAP the earth's harvest in Rev. 14:14-16 - with a SHARP SICKLE. Is that still a parable in John's vision?

 

[Jocund]

I suggest you look up these cultural background in the gospels.



It's a modern day golden calf that most "educated" snobs helplessly worship without awareness. You've probably heard this is a sermon that there're lots of golden calves in our lives. Big Bang in particular is worship of creation instead of the Almighty Creator, which is exactly warned in Romans 1.



Those parables are not mere stories or a teaching methods, every one of them has prophetic significance. Regarding that specific parable of the Sower, Jesus Himself came down and REAP the earth's harvest in Rev. 14:14-16 - with a SHARP SICKLE. Is that still a parable in John's vision?

That's quite the soup.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

That's quite the soup.

Then drink it up.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

These are fantastic Pilgrimshope!

I’m blessed and encouraged you found some value in them brother God bless and keep you by the power of his word !!!

“Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:2-4‬ ‭

he’s wonderful to share his inheritance with believers of all kindreds and tongues

 

[Jocund]

Then drink it up.

I think that was your first good rebuttal.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Is Jesus literally bread? Yeah, Catholics think so, in transubstantiation - bread “literally” turns into the body of Christ, even though it still appears to be bread. In fact, this “bread” is the fulfillment of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread, he later said eat this IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

In the creation week it’s crystal clear, it says over and over and “the first day and night” - even before sun and moon were created! You just pretend that is something else because you’re brainwashed by the evolutionary world view from Satan. There could be a “could” in the case above about the bread, but there’s no “could” in those seven days. One day in creation week is a literal 24-hour day, period.

“The bread “ is another of many many references to Jesus being the fulfillment of the law and how the law was a foreshadow of Christ

the prophetic figure and foreshadow of Christ in the law “the meat and the bread from heaven “

“And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness: And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the Lord in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

….And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God.

And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground. And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16:2-4, 11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s a witness of Christ

“Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29, 31-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The entire Bible is a witness to the truth of Christ and is meant to turn our faith to him alone. Those figures in the law the writings of the prophets and epistles of the apostles all are a single consolidated witness of Jesus Christ and his word.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

“The bread “ is another of many many references to Jesus being the fulfillment of the law and how the law was a foreshadow of Christ

the prophetic figure and foreshadow of Christ in the law “the meat and the bread from heaven “

“And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness: And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the Lord in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

….And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God.

And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground. And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16:2-4, 11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s a witness of Christ

“Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29, 31-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The entire Bible is a witness to the truth of Christ and is meant to turn our faith to him alone. Those figures in the law the writings of the prophets and epistles of the apostles all are a single consolidated witness of Jesus Christ and his word.

The name Bethlehem, the Lord's birthplace, means House of Bread. He was buried during the Feast of Bread when the Jews LITERALLY ate unleavened bread, "matzah". And that also alludes to the feeding of 5000 - and then another feeding of 4000, where He literally broke and multiplied bread.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The name Bethlehem, the Lord's birthplace, means House of Bread. He was buried during the Feast of Bread when the Jews LITERALLY ate unleavened bread, "matzah". And that also alludes to the feeding of 5000 - and then another feeding of 4000, where He literally broke and multiplied bread.

Amen good point . yes just as God instructed them to gather the manna and not waste any Jesus also instructs then just before those quotes I left to gather the meat and bread he had fed the people with it’s all a foreshadow and figure of what Christ would mine day come and do for all Mankind

“And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.

When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Israel was also instructed to gather the right amount of manna not too much that would leave waste

the intent of all scripture is to convince us that Jesus is all and everything we need did you notice how they responded after Jesus fed the many with the little miraculously ?

“Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:14

Thats a reference to this that Moses said in the law

“And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they had begin to recognize who he was

Moses was constantly writing about Jesus as we’re the prophets

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

….For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:39-40, 46-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Journeyman]

No, day of Atonement took place in, fall (7th month Ethanim) not spring (1st month Abib).

No, day of Atonement takes place after Trumpets, after Pentecost, after Firstfruits, after Unleavened, after Passover, and before Tabernacles. It cannot, and never has taken place before Pentecost at the time of Passover.

Yes, but it's because of his sacrifice that he goes with us. He's just saying it another way.

No, day of Atonement requires the Ark of God and it's mercy seat, and Most Holy place, as well as high priest, none of which were present at Passover. Jesus was not made high priest until Pentecost. The Ark of God and Most Holy place are not utilized or witnessed until the period of the 6th and 7th churches in Revelation. See also Hebrews.

Jesus only "had to be made" High Priest through a series of events for our understanding. The truth is, he always was the High Priest, the receptacle of commandments, the Most Holy place, sitting on the Throne of mercy. Our Lord was "made perfect" in the sight of humanity for our benefit, but the truth is, he was always perfect.

No, day of Atonement required the casting of lots between two goats, only one of which was for the LORD, and the other for the scapegoat. Never in scripture are lots cast between two or more things if they represent the same thing or person.

No, day of Atonement required the fit man to remove the scapegoat, and the fit man is Jesus, see also Rev. 20 and Isa. 24.

No, day of Atonement scapegoat represents sin (as all goats do), not the risen Jesus.

No, day of Atonement scapegoat was taken into the empty wilderness never to return. Jesus, the fit man returns. Scapegoat (devil) does not return. See Rev. 20 & Isa. 24 and Nahum 1:9.

[Our Savior only appeared as a goat to those who didn't know him. The ones who wanted him out of their lives accused him of being a sinner, cursed by God, none of which is true. He never needed to wash himself. He was always clean.

 

[Journeyman]

Look at the text again. Scapegoat is to make an atonement not for Israel, but with "him" (Lev. 16:10). The devil suffers for his own sins and for all the sins which he tempted people to commit. Rev. 20; Isa. 24, Zeph 2, etc.

Atonement is being made one with God. We're made one with him by his Spirit. When we suffer now, it's not because of sin we committed (or should't be), but because
the unrepentant hate God, his Spirit in us.

 

[Journeyman]

I’m blessed and encouraged you found some value in them brother God bless and keep you by the power of his word !!!

“Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:2-4‬ ‭

he’s wonderful to share his inheritance with believers of all kindreds and tongues

It's an amazing thing for our Lord to inherit what he created.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It's an amazing thing for our Lord to inherit what he created.

It sure is isn’t it ? that’s the point of the doctrine of the Father in heaven and Son of man born and manifest on earth who are one .

The son is the heir of the fathers creation but the inheritance is made for the children

“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;

if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:16-19‬ ‭

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed,

and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the doctrine where God came and was born among us being the Son is meant to form us in the image of Gods son and give us the inheritance of the only begotten which is eternal life together with our God and father !!

everything is amazing to me brother which God created and then restores through Christ I am in awe of his plans and work to save us as I learn of things he’s made known in his word , it is truly mesmerizing how he loves man both as a whole and also individually

He is awesome

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

It sure is isn’t it ? that’s the point of the doctrine of the Father in heaven and Son of man born and manifest on earth who are one .

The son is the heir of the fathers creation but the inheritance is made for the children

“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;

if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:16-19‬ ‭

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed,

and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the doctrine where God came and was born among us being the Son is meant to form us in the image of Gods son and give us the inheritance of the only begotten which is eternal life together with our God and father !!

everything is amazing to me brother which God created and then restores through Christ I am in awe of his plans and work to save us as I learn of things he’s made known in his word , it is truly mesmerizing how he lives man both as a whole and also individually

He is awesome

Amen. The entire OT leads to Jesus, every OT hero is a prototype of Jesus. God is not only the end and the beginning, He has declared the end from the beginning! That's Isaiah 46:10, and that really validates such a blueprint. Heaven and earth have an expiration date, they shall pass away one day, and it's all on God's schedule!

”Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done;
Saying, "my counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure."

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Amen. The entire OT leads to Jesus, every OT hero is a prototype of Jesus. God is not only the end and the beginning, He has declared the end from the beginning! That's Isaiah 46:10, and that really validates such a blueprint. Heaven and earth have an expiration date, they shall pass away one day, and it's all on God's schedule!

”Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done;
Saying, "my counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure."

amen to that great and informed understanding there !

just as we bodily and according to the natural have the expiration date so do all created things , but in Christ we know it’s only to give way for the new creation to come forth and fill the true promised land

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. ….But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

….Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all creation will come to death just as Jesus did , and the new creation will be raised up and glorified just as Jesus is !!! We are part of those things who dwell
In him

The old and dying will give way to the new and eternal WHAT A GIFT WE HAVE BEEN OFFERED IN CHRIST TO BE PARTAKERS OF !!!!

God has a really awesome plan I cannot hardly wait to enter into his rest as we cross over Jordan