The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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"the church which is His body" - Ephesians 1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)
--so, I'm not saying that "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" will be among who is staying (at the time of "our Rapture")... we will ALL be "going"in the Rapture event.
ZERO (of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") "left behind".
Then, following "our Rapture," many people will be coming to faith in Christ [in fact, "our Rapture" will be a major impetus that helps Israel (many of them) come to faith in their Messiah (Jesus Christ)--and it is these "believing remnant of Israel" who will be the ones DOING the "INVITING" (of the "guests [plural]" [aka the Gentiles]) TO "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" aka the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age, which will commence upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19 (Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [and its parallel]: "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347]")
] But... and here's the key... these are never called "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" nor does "Rapture [IN THE AIR]" pertain TO THEM (though they will indeed come to faith in Christ);
It is a matter of WHEN a person comes to faith... 1) you and I are not "OT saints," for example; 2) those BORN DURING the MK age will not participate in "Rapture" you might agree, even if some might suggest the "unfairness" of these two sentences /ideas and demand we say the SAME THING about each of the persons involved in these two statements... (as a couple of examples)
[for the readers: "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" is distinct from "the church in the wilderness" of OT times, though both passages use the word "ekklesia"... as does Acts 19's use of this word 3x but which group of persons "fit" into NEITHER of those two categories]
--so, I'm not saying that "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" will be among who is staying (at the time of "our Rapture")... we will ALL be "going"in the Rapture event.
ZERO (of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") "left behind".
Then, following "our Rapture," many people will be coming to faith in Christ [in fact, "our Rapture" will be a major impetus that helps Israel (many of them) come to faith in their Messiah (Jesus Christ)--and it is these "believing remnant of Israel" who will be the ones DOING the "INVITING" (of the "guests [plural]" [aka the Gentiles]) TO "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" aka the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age, which will commence upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19 (Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [and its parallel]: "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347]")
] But... and here's the key... these are never called "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" nor does "Rapture [IN THE AIR]" pertain TO THEM (though they will indeed come to faith in Christ);It is a matter of WHEN a person comes to faith... 1) you and I are not "OT saints," for example; 2) those BORN DURING the MK age will not participate in "Rapture" you might agree, even if some might suggest the "unfairness" of these two sentences /ideas and demand we say the SAME THING about each of the persons involved in these two statements... (as a couple of examples)
[for the readers: "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" is distinct from "the church in the wilderness" of OT times, though both passages use the word "ekklesia"... as does Acts 19's use of this word 3x but which group of persons "fit" into NEITHER of those two categories]
And the group taken?
Who are they that are told to watch and be ready that you stay in a bed at the coming of Jesus?
No doubt you agree with
Postribbers that " the wicked are taken"
I don't know what you mean by that? When God says WRITE, I would imagine that would be an indication that Holy Scripture would be what was taking place. But that's just me. Maybe Paul in his letters to the Churches didn't KNOW they would be put into a book, but I would THINK, (personal opinion) he would have FELT it. And with GOD KNOWING.....you know what it's like, when your eyes are opened to something new, how intense that is, right? Don't you think they FELT it? IDK
Wrong again. It's all about context.
There was a LAST DAY of the Jewish Age.
When the King of kings returns to earth, there will be a LAST DAY for "everything as usual" on earth. Because the King will reign over the nations, and all believers will be in glorified bodies (supernatural).
Then there will be a LAST DAY of the Millennial Reign, when the present heaven and earth melt and there will be a new heaven and earth.
There was a LAST DAY of the Jewish Age.
When the King of kings returns to earth, there will be a LAST DAY for "everything as usual" on earth. Because the King will reign over the nations, and all believers will be in glorified bodies (supernatural).
Then there will be a LAST DAY of the Millennial Reign, when the present heaven and earth melt and there will be a new heaven and earth.
"Pretrib waits for Jesus as Jesus instructed, " you said,
BUT I BELIEVE THAT POST TRIBBERS also
understand how we are to always be watching and waiting and ready BECAUSE WE COULD DIE AT ANY SECOND. But that has BEEN TRUTH for thousands of years. It has been truth for all generations. It isn't written for 'the last generation' only. TRUE, we do need to be more so reminded, BUT that watching and waiting and being ready ISN'T because of a PRE TRIB RAPTURE,
but to be especially WATCHFUL in the end times as more and more FALSE prophets will be around seeking to deceive us.
So no one has 'duped' us into not walking rightly at all times, it is just that no one has duped us into thinking it is because JESUS comes for the church. Waiting and watching and being ready REALLY ISN'T DIFFERENT THAN the DEATH watch, if you think about it. One second you are in the flesh and the next you are with the Lord. DEATH is a PRE TRIB RAPTURE of sorts. It is the PRE TRIBBERS that EVEN SEEK to change the meanings of those words. BUT
There is only ONE point for pre trib. ESCAPING TRIBULATION AND DEATH. They do not wish to RUN the course set before them. BUT POSTS
know God is in charge. We know God SENDS the Adversary. We know God knows tribulation is good for us. We know God doesn't care about death of the flesh body. We know God recompenses. We know God didn't let Jesus 'by pass' what was set before Him. We know JESUS SAW THE JOY to come once the work was done. We know God never changes. We know God is not a respecter of persons. We know we have been given instructions on how to handle the Tempter. We are told what to do when 'YE SHALL SEE'. We are told 'NOT TO TAKE THE MARK'. We are told what happens if we do. We are told some will be given up for a ten day trial. We are told we are to endure to the end. We are told to put on armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan. We know Revelation was "to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass", AND NOT TO THOSE WHO WOULD CONVERT BECAUSE OF A 'SIGN'. aka the church being raptured. We know that things seen, aren't hoped for. We know an evil generation seeks a sign. We know death then judgment, not judgment then death. We know the 'alive and remaining' can only take place one time.
And those are just a FEW of the things that pre trib disregard.
But the 'rapture' of the church, is simply impossible because it voids the words of God. It really is that simple.
So what we do is KEEP PUTTING FORTH GODS WORDS so anyone 'seeking and searching' wont be taken.
TO CONTINUE your sentence
"but us postribbers know better, we are looking for, and waiting earnestly for ,the devil man. Many of us have our caves picked out to hide in. We are so brave"
IT isn't that we are so BRAVE, it is we are so WILLING.
WE HAVE FAITH. WE KNOW AND BELIEVE IN GODS PLAN OF SALVATION.
We HAVE PUT ON THE ARMOR TO WITHSTAND the fiery darts.
We don't fear DEATH OF THE FLESH.
We believe what is written in that GOD has set before us such good things that what happens in this life can't be compared to what we will receive in the next. ....the joy that was set before Him
1Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, UPON WHOM THE ENDS OF THE WORLD ARE COME
BUT PRE TRIB SAYS
THERE WILL BE NO 'ENDS OF THE WORLD TO COME UPON ANYONE OF THE CHURCH' AT ALL.
Does that mean that NOTHING IN THE BOOK OF CORINTHIANS IS TO/FOR THE CHURCH? OR DO WE NOW START TO QUESTION EVERY VERSE AND DIVIDE IT TO ITS PROPER PEOPLE?
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, THAT YE MAY BE ABLE TO BEAR IT.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
PRE TRIBS DON'T/WON'T/CAN'T seem to SEE that for there to be a pre trib rapture this "with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning" cant be true.
WE CAN'T HAVE BOTH. PRE TRIB IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THAT VERSE. PRE TRIB MAKES VOID THAT VERY VERSE. IF THAT WERE THE ONLY ONE, IT WOULD BE ENOUGH.
2 Corinthians 1:7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.
8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
BRAVE OR FAITH? IT'S LOVING GOD THE FATHER AND BELIEVING IN HIM AND FAITH. AND ITS KNOWING WE ALL HAVE JOBS TO DO, EVEN THE FINAL GENERATION.
John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
WHO PRAYED THIS? WHAT DOES THIS PRAYER TELL US? WHO WOULD TEACH/PREACH AGAINST THIS PRAYER?
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
DO YOU SEE WHY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR PRE TRIB RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH?
BECAUSE OF THEM WHICH SHALL BELIEVE "THROUGH THEIR WORD".
IF THEY ARE TAKEN AWAY THEN 'THEIR WORD WON'T GO FORTH' AND ONE MAY BE LOST. GODS WILL IS THAT ALL COME TO REPENTANCE
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
NO MAN LEFT BEHIND. IF THERE ARE MORE TO COME THEN NONE CAN GO BECAUSE THEY HAVE YET TO BE MADE PERFECT IN ONE
WHY DO WE WATCH? WHY ARE WE ALWAYS READY? WHOM DO WE WAIT FOR? WE DO AS YOU DO, JUST FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
BRAVE OR FAITH? IT'S LOVING GOD THE FATHER AND BELIEVING IN HIM AND FAITH. AND ITS KNOWING WE ALL HAVE JOBS TO DO, EVEN THE FINAL GENERATION.
John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
WHO PRAYED THIS? WHAT DOES THIS PRAYER TELL US? WHO WOULD TEACH/PREACH AGAINST THIS PRAYER?
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
DO YOU SEE WHY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR PRE TRIB RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH?
BECAUSE OF THEM WHICH SHALL BELIEVE "THROUGH THEIR WORD".
IF THEY ARE TAKEN AWAY THEN 'THEIR WORD WON'T GO FORTH' AND ONE MAY BE LOST. GODS WILL IS THAT ALL COME TO REPENTANCE
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
NO MAN LEFT BEHIND. IF THERE ARE MORE TO COME THEN NONE CAN GO BECAUSE THEY HAVE YET TO BE MADE PERFECT IN ONE
WHY DO WE WATCH? WHY ARE WE ALWAYS READY? WHOM DO WE WAIT FOR? WE DO AS YOU DO, JUST FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Does this statement make any sense at all? It sounds completely irrational. Why would the immutability of God be in conflict with the Pre-Tribulation Rapture? Indeed it is established through the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Just as God raptured Enoch without putting him through any tribulation period (or the Flood) He will rapture the saints in the same way.
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