God's 7000 Year Plan for Mankind - And a Timeline!

[ChristianSubMissionary]

I read this far, then stopped. I seem to remember Jesus said:

NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY! pretty sure that includes the time, date, or general targeted belief........

NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY!

yeah, I'm going with Jesus onn thissin'

I too am going with what Jesus said, but I also want to understand what Jesus said so it does not contradict what Jesus said elsewhere.

For instance:

Mark 13:32, read it carefully, for it does not say what you desire it to.

Mar_13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Compare also:

Mat_24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

In looking closely, you will notice that Jesus places himself above the realm of men and angels (all creation). In Mark 13:32, the word "knoweth" in its context means to "make known" (see also 1 Corinthians 2:2 - For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.) Jesus is saying that men will not make known the "day and hour", and neither will angels, and neither will He, for it is within the prerogative of the Father alone to make known the "day and hour", since it belongs to the marriage arrangement of the Son to His Bride, and the Father always sets the time, and Jesus makes this clear:

Act_1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

So, it is not that Jesus does not know the time, but that He will not make it known, and leaves it to the Father to make known. Jesus knows all things that the Father knows, by the Infinite and Eternal Holy Spirit:

Joh_3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Joh_5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

God did not even hide from Abraham what God was going to do, and why then would the Father, hide from the Son the "day and hour"? Can you explain? God the Father will not even hide it from us forever, but soon will tell us all.

Voice of God announcing the hour after the close of Probation (after the period of silence in Heaven; Revelation 8:1; Psalms 50:3); Jeremiah 25:30; Joel 2:11, 3:16; Amos 1:2; Job 40:9; Psalms 18:13, 77:18, 104:7; 1 Samuel 2:10; 2 Samuel 22:14; Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32; John 12:29; 2 Peter 1:17-18; Revelation 14:2; &c.

Even now, we can know the events in their order, though the "day and hour" is yet withheld from us by the Father until the appropriate time:

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mark 13:32, Jesus is speaking directly to the disciples, then at that moment, and of course they would not then know the day and hour, nor need to know from Jesus. It could only be announced by the Father Himself, long after Jesus ascended into Heaven.

 

[Jocund]

Just puttong a monkey wrench in the middle of this dicussion.
How many know that most OT prophecies were told under the order of a Jewish calendar?
If we went by a Jewish calandar, I wonder what millenium we'd be in currently?
BTW, I don't believe in numerology.

5782

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

5782

That “official” Jewish calendar is at least two hundred years off. They themselves have admitted.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Unfortunately, no, as that Catholic teaching, would violate the type, and season, timings and items (like Ark in Heaven) and beings (like scapegoat and high priest). The Feasts of Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles could not, and did not take place at Calvary, neither at Pentecost. There are time prophecies linked to the last 3 feasts in scripture as my links and images detail. God is the God of order, not of confusion. God set the seasons and times specifically, though there is that false system that thinks to change times and laws. If you would like details, let me know.

Ironically, Catholic church did have its reign over western Europe for about 1000 years from the end of Roman Empire in the 6th century to the Reformation in the 16th century. Does anybody seriously consider that as the "millenium" other than the themselves?

 

[Jocund]

Ironically, Catholic church did have its reign over western Europe for about 1000 years from the end of Roman Empire in the 6th century to the Reformation in the 16th century. Does anybody seriously consider that as the "millenium" other than the themselves?

The RCC does not take the position that there is a literal 1000 year kingdom. They aren't looking for a literal 1000 year period.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The RCC does not take the position that there is a literal 1000 year kingdom. They aren't looking for a literal 1000 year period.

Bible could be obscoure with symbolic language on many things, but NEVER, ever on time periods.

 

[Jocund]

Bible could be obscoure with symbolic language on many things, but NEVER, ever on time periods.

If passages like 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 didn't exist I might see where you were coming from.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

If passages like 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 didn't exist I might see where you were coming from.

But they do, and that 1000 year is not merely a figure of speech. It didn't say that a day is like "eons" or "an eternity" or "thousands of years" or anything else like that, even though it has been interpreted in that way by some theologians. It just reinforced my point.

 

[Jocund]

But they do, and that 1000 year is not merely a figure of speech. It didn't say that a day is like "eons" or "an eternity" or "thousands of years" or anything else like that, even though it has been interpreted in that way by some theologians. It just reinforced my point.

And how are you justifying the case that the 1000 years in Revelation is not figurative?

2 Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:4 point to the fact that some timeframes in scripture are indeed figurative. Therefore it is possible (with justification) that Revelation's timeframes are also figurative.

I accept that you could interpret the 1000 years to be a literal timeframe of 1000 human years. You must also accept that one could interpret the 1000 years to be a figurative timeframe.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

And how are you justifying the case that the 1000 years in Revelation is not figurative?

2 Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:4 point to the fact that some timeframes in scripture are indeed figurative. Therefore it is possible (with justification) that Revelation's timeframes are also figurative.

I accept that you could interpret the 1000 years to be a literal timeframe of 1000 human years. You must also accept that one could interpret the 1000 years to be a figurative timeframe.

I explained that about Adam. There was no evidence showing that he died or even began to die when he ate the fruit, for he still had access to the Tree of Life until he was cast out. The only plausible explanation is that he didn't die in a 24 hour natural day, but a Lord's day, which is 1000 years. I think it's justifiable to reason that the final "Day of the Lord" also means the final millennium, for the sabbath day - as a 24 hour day - IS the day of the Lord. That's hard biblical definition.

 

[JStates]

This idea is held by many people, and it is based on the Bible verse which says that God regards a thousand years as one day, and vice versa. If we accept the fact that the age of the earth is slightly over 6,000 years, then we should have already been within the final Millennium. Which would mean perfect peace and righteousness on earth right now. Since we see the exact opposite all around us, we cannot really apply this theory to God's time frame.

Another major issue I have with this view is this:

Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

If the 1-day-equals-1000-years thing is correct, extrapolating a day would be possible, which is problematic as related to this verse.

 

[JStates]

I explained that about Adam. There was no evidence showing that he died or even began to die when he ate the fruit, for he still had access to the Tree of Life until he was cast out. The only plausible explanation is that he didn't die in a 24 hour natural day, but a Lord's day, which is 1000 years. I think it's justifiable to reason that the final "Day of the Lord" also means the final millennium, for the sabbath day - as a 24 hour day - IS the day of the Lord. That's hard biblical definition.

Oh, Adam died immediately. The Bible says that death is separation from God. The Second Death of Revelation is eternal death in the Lake of Fire.

Adam immediately was dead in his sins as soon as he ate that apple. Physical death is merely a side effect of the spiritual death brought by sin.

 

[Jocund]

I explained that about Adam. There was no evidence showing that he died or even began to die when he ate the fruit, for he still had access to the Tree of Life until he was cast out. The only plausible explanation is that he didn't die in a 24 hour natural day, but a Lord's day, which is 1000 years. I think it's justifiable to reason that the final "Day of the Lord" also means the final millennium, for the sabbath day - as a 24 hour day - IS the day of the Lord. That's hard biblical definition.

The 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 passages state that a day/watch in the night is like a 1000 years. This isn't a direct conversion. Therefore it does not follow that "1 day = 1000 years" could ever be biblical definition.

The creation story in Genesis can also be interpreted figuratively (including the interpretation that "Adam" is actually a metaphor for mankind rather than a literal individual). The timeframes and initial events can be understood as metaphoric or alluding to things that couldn't be properly encapsulated by the early languages.

Although it is permitted, scripture does not require us to believe in young earth creationism nor in a literal second coming kingdom with a duration of 1000 standard human years.

In the same way that Galileo was persecuted for declaring that the earth was round contrary to a literal interpretation of scripture, it may be the case that some would also like to ridicule contemporary interpretations that also do not fall in line with a strictly literal interpretation of scripture. We know that it is possible that many of the descriptions are figurative (existing without contradiction to scripture), so why persecute Galileo?

We can explore why you feel that a literal interpretation of different timeframes is more compelling or a better fit, but it is hardly the case that the literal sense of the timeframes would be necessarily true.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Oh, Adam died immediately. The Bible says that death is separation from God. The Second Death of Revelation is eternal death in the Lake of Fire.

Adam immediately was dead in his sins as soon as he ate that apple. Physical death is merely a side effect of the spiritual death brought by sin.

Spiritually dead? Then why does it say in Genesis 6:3 that God's spirit My spirit shall not ALWAYS strive with man - which obviously indicates that God's spirit was still "striving" with man at that point? Bible doesn't contradict itself. And, SURELY die =/= "spiritually" die. That 1000 year reading just gives a hidden prophetic aspect of this warning from God. Even if he was "spiritually" dead on that day, he still lived for 930 years within 1000 years.

The 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 passages state that a day/watch in the night is like a 1000 years. This isn't a direct conversion. Therefore it does not follow that "1 day = 1000 years" could ever be biblical definition.

The creation story in Genesis can also be interpreted figuratively (including the interpretation that "Adam" is actually a metaphor for mankind rather than a literal individual). The timeframes and initial events can be understood as metaphoric or alluding to things that couldn't be properly encapsulated by the early languages.

I told you the principle, that other things may be taken figuratively, metaphorically or allegorically, but NOT timeframe. The bible has very clear definitions of time, and it's very different from ours. A day usually means daytime from 6:00 am to 6:00 pm, a month a full lunar cycle, which can be either 29 or 30 days, while year could be a Jewish year or a prophetic year as I explained in the OP, but the length is always specific, it's never vague. And in 2 Peter 3:8, if it says that 1000 years are like one (creation) day with the Lord, then that's what it is. And "like" means approximately 1000, but it wouldn't be too far off, and it doesn't mean it's figurative speaking.

And the bottom line is, if you buy into the Big Bang, just admit it, don't twist the bible to justify your belief system.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Another major issue I have with this view is this:

Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

If the 1-day-equals-1000-years thing is correct, extrapolating a day would be possible, which is problematic as related to this verse.

Yeah, and that's your only lame excuse, everybody's saying that. Read the context. It's never about head knowledge, it's about spiritual preparedness. Even if you knew the hour or the day down to the second, you wouldn't take it seriously with this attitude, you'd be sleeping when you should've been expecting and watchful. That's real point. Also, you can't precisely calculate the date on Gregorian calendar, so still no man knows.

 

[JStates]

@Carry_Your_Name How would you define "strive" exactly? What would you say is going on there?

The context of Genesis 6:3 is a shortening of human lifespan. Job says this about God's spirit:

Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;
Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

In other words, God's spirit actually sustains all life and if He withholds it, we all would perish.

Genesis 6:3 is simply God saying that this life-giving energy of His breath will not always abound or work strongly on behalf of humanity, thus the shortening of lifespans.

If you are contending that Adam did NOT die when he consumed the apple, you are making God a liar, which, interestingly, is exactly what Satan also said in that passage. "Ye shall not surely die." -Satan

The sustaining aspect of God's spirit upon mortal life is not therefore the same thing as spiritual life.

As I said - and I say it because God said it - Adam died immediately when he ate that apple. He became a sinner. Now, I DO believe that Adam will be in paradise, a believer BY FAITH in the promises of God, a faith he came to later on in his life. I cannot be dogmatic about that, but I strongly suspect it. Adam and Eve had firsthand experience with God, after all, and were the only two people to really know what sinless perfection and a perfect world was like. I'm sure they remembered God's goodness and the way things were for the rest of their long lives.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The context of Genesis 6:3 is a shortening of human lifespan. Job says this about God's spirit:
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This has just proven that you didn't read it in context at all. Genesis 6:3 says 120 years remaining till God flooded the whole earth, what does that have to do with human lifespan? If longevity is your angle, isn't 70-80 in Psalm 90:10 more accurate? Before the flood those patriarchs lived hundreds of years, even AFTER the flood, Abraham lived 175 years. That's nowhere near 120.

[QUOTE="JStates, post: 4790440, member: 313160"][USER=314262]
If you are contending that Adam did NOT die when he consumed the apple, you are making God a liar, which, interestingly, is exactly what Satan also said in that passage. "Ye shall not surely die." -Satan
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Bible can have both literal, spiritual and prophetic aspects, and they're not excluding one another. I just point out the prophetic aspect - and kind of a literal aspect, which do NOT negate spiritual aspect. Adam didn't see any of these aspect, he probably saw Eve eat of it and still alive for the moment, so eventually he gave it and ate it as well.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

@Carry_Your_Name How would you define "strive" exactly? What would you say is going on there?

The context of Genesis 6:3 is a shortening of human lifespan. Job says this about God's spirit:

Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;
Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

In other words, God's spirit actually sustains all life and if He withholds it, we all would perish.

Genesis 6:3 is simply God saying that this life-giving energy of His breath will not always abound or work strongly on behalf of humanity, thus the shortening of lifespans.

If you are contending that Adam did NOT die when he consumed the apple, you are making God a liar, which, interestingly, is exactly what Satan also said in that passage. "Ye shall not surely die." -Satan

The sustaining aspect of God's spirit upon mortal life is not therefore the same thing as spiritual life.

As I said - and I say it because God said it - Adam died immediately when he ate that apple. He became a sinner. Now, I DO believe that Adam will be in paradise, a believer BY FAITH in the promises of God, a faith he came to later on in his life. I cannot be dogmatic about that, but I strongly suspect it. Adam and Eve had firsthand experience with God, after all, and were the only two people to really know what sinless perfection and a perfect world was like. I'm sure they remembered God's goodness and the way things were for the rest of their long lives.

This has just proven that you didn't read it in context at all. Genesis 6:3 says 120 years remaining till God flooded the whole earth, what does that have to do with human lifespan? If longevity is your angle, isn't 70-80 in Psalm 90:10 more accurate? Before the flood those patriarchs lived hundreds of years, even AFTER the flood, Abraham lived 175 years. That's nowhere near 120.

Bible can have both literal, spiritual and prophetic aspects, and they're not excluding one another. I just point out the prophetic aspect - and kind of a literal aspect, which do NOT negate spiritual aspect. Adam didn't see any of these aspect, he probably saw Eve eat of it and still alive, so eventually he gave it and ate it as well. God wasn't lying, it was Adam who didn't truly understand.

 

[jb]

First of all, as a disclaimer, the purpose of this thread is NOT date setting, but to prove God's 7000 Year Plan for Mankind in this link below, also known as the Millennial-Day Theory, by presenting a potential timeline of 6000 years from Creation to Second Coming based on biblical chronology. Date setting is almost impossible because there are different definitions of years and calendars, which I’ll explain at the end.

https://www.christianevidence.net/2019/01/gods-7000-year-plan.html

So far this is the most convincing theory about the time of the second coming, it's solidly based on the Scripture and perfectly consistent with God's six-one operation pattern. This is an ancient belief among Jews and early Christians even before the canonical Bible was compiled. In summary, 7 days in the creation week foreshadow 7000 years of human history, 4000 years from Adam to Christ, 2000 years from Christ's ministry to the second coming, and 1000 years of millennial kingdom. In the Garden of Eden God warned Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit, "for the DAY you eat of it, you shall SURELY die." So why didn't Adam - or Eve -die on that day? Not because they were "spiritually dead", for God's spirit shall strive with man for 120 years, but it was a day for 1000 years. Later Adam passed at the ripe age of 930, just 70 years short of a millennium.

In the bible many genealogies and chronologies were given, i.e. A begot B at age x, C reigned y years and died. Based on these information a timeline can be drawn to date all the major events, you've probably seen such a timeline before. However, in order to draw an accurate one, it has to be done according to God's calendar, not our Gregorian calendar. Therefore, this timeline uses the Jubilee System in Leviticus 25. In this system, every 7 years is a sabbatical year, and every 49 years is a jubilee cycle. The 50th year, starting from the Day of Atonement on Tishri 10, is a jubilee year, which is also the first year of the next jubilee cycle. The theme of this year is celebration, liberty and HOMECOMING, this is where we got the words "jubilation" and "jubilant" in English. This is written in Lev. 25:13 and 25:40-41:

"In this Year of Jubilee, each of you shall return to his possession."

"As a hired servant and a sojourner he shall be with you, and shall serve you until the Year of Jubilee. And then he shall depart from you—he and his children with him—and shall return to his own family. He shall return to the possession of his fathers"

Keep this in mind, it will help to identify the beginning of certain periods. This timeline starts from Adam. Add up all the numbers in the genealogy from Adam to Noah (Gen. 5), you get 1056 years; Noah was 600 years old when the flood came (Gen, 7:6), so 1656 years from Adam to the Flood. Year count: 1656

Add up all the numbers from Flood to birth of Abraham (Gen. 11), you get 292 years; Year count: 1948

From this point discrepancies begin to appear. In Gen. 12:1-2 it says Abraham received God's calling at age 75, then there's 430 years of sojourning (Ex. 12:40-41, Gal 3:16-16), you get 505, including about 200-220 years in Egypt; but by another count, Abraham begot Isaac at 100 (Gen. 15:13), then his descents were to be afflicted for 400 years (Gen. 15:13, Acts 7:6), also including the couple of centuries in Egypt, you get 500. To solve this conundrum, I take 502 in between. Why 502? Because adding 502 onto 1948 you get a year count of 2450, which is exactly 50 jubilee cycles, this is very important, because the first year of Exodus must be a year of Jubilee - remember the theme of celebration and LIBERTY?

After Exodus was 10 cycles of the wilderness (40 years) and judges (450 years), according to Paul in Acts 13:18-20, Joshua counted as judge; Year count: 2940

Then 10 cycles of kings, possibly started when the Ark of Covenant was returned (1 Chron. 13:3) from the Philistines, which matches the "homecoming" theme. However, 70 sabbatical years are neglected in at least 490 following years (2 Chron. 36:20-21); Year count: 3430

For these neglected 70 sabbatical years, Jews were led into captivity and exile in Babylon for 70 years (Jer. 25:11-12). Year count: 3500. This judgement was foretold in Lev. 26:33-35:

“I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you; your land shall be desolate and your cities waste. Then the land shall enjoy its sabbaths as long as it lies desolate and you are in your enemies’ land; then the land shall rest and enjoy its sabbaths. As long as it lies desolate it shall rest—for the time it did not rest on your sabbaths when you dwelt in it.”

Right after 70 years, Jews were set free and allowed to go home (Jer. 29:10). There it is the liberty and homecoming theme again. Jer. 29:10 was exactly what Daniel was reading in Dan. 9:2. Daniel prayed for deliverance and mercy for his people, and Gabriel appeared and answered him with the puzzling and controversial 70 weeks prophecy, which are also 10 cycles of 490 years. Year count: 3990.

By this count, Jesus was born on year 3953, baptized on year 3983 and crucified on year 3987, pretty close to 4000. If you count the year from Abraham to Jesus, it's very close to 41 jubilee cycles, which are symbolized by the 41 previous generations before Jesus in Matthew 1.

After that is the church age. Based on Isaiah 61:1-3, which Jesus quoted in Luke 4:18-19, the “acceptable year of the Lord” is very likely to be a jubilee in which he will “proclaim liberty to the captives”, so the length of the church age must be an integral number of jubilee cycles. But how many? One clue is the birth pang comparison. Since the church is the Body of Christ, the birth of Christ mirrors the completion of the full Body of Christ, from Christ - the head to the final ten toes, like the prophecy of the Babylonian statue.

As I explored in my 70 weeks thread, Jesus's ministry lasted exactly 3.5 years; since He was crucified on Passover, dial back 33.5 years was the Feast of Tabernacle (Tishri 15), that's when He was really born; Then go to Luke 1-2. John the Baptist was conceived when Zechariah finished his duty at the temple and went home. Since he was of the 8th division of Abijah, that's in late Sivan, about a week after Pentecost. 6 months after that Jesus was conceived in Mary. Do the math, and you get Hanukkah (Kislev 25). The three trimesters between Kislev 25 and Tishri 15 is about 41 weeks. Now if - and this is a BIG IF - these 41 weeks symbolize 41 jubilees, which also match the 41 jubilees from Abraham to Jesus. Add 41 cycles of 2009 years to the previous year count, guess what, you get a final Year Count: 5999! If you consider the first year of creation a sabbath year since God rested on the 7th day, and Adam and Eve were cast out on the second year, then that's exactly 6000.

So, since the year of crucifixion is commonly believed to be springtime in AD30, add 3.5 plus 2009 years , yo land in fall season of 2042. Does this mean Jesus will return on 2042? Not really, because the definition of year varies. In the Bible there’re a lunar year of 354.36 days, a prophetic year of 360 days, and according to Dead Sea scrolls there’s Qumranic year of 364 days, all shorter than a solar year of 365.25 days, therefore the second coming could be much earlier than 2042. It’s unclear which definition of year was actually used to count the years in a jubilee cycle, there’s just no way to pin a jubilee year on the calendar and set a date.

The supposed "7000 year plan" is a complete fantasy arrived at by twisting of Scripture!

 

[Jocund]

And "like" means approximately 1000, but it wouldn't be too far off, and it doesn't mean it's figurative speaking.

What are you basing your conclusion on? You are not using scripture to make that determination, you have falsely presented an assumption as fact.

don't twist the bible to justify your belief system.

An interpretation involving an understanding of timeframes as figurative is perfectly valid and consistent with scripture.

You have presented the concept that timeframes are necessarily literal in all cases (except for the ones that you decide to cherrypick such as Adam's life). What you have presented is false.

Your belief system is not from scripture, it has been injected into scripture without justification.