You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!
- Thread starter Overcome
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I never said anything of the kind. Please pay very close attention so you can be absolutely clear about my position: The saint will go to hell because he chose to no longer abide in the Vine; he chose to no longer continue in His Word; he chose to no longer say, "not my will, but Thine"
The CHOICE we make is what determines our fate - obedience or sin simply reveals our spiritual state.
We clear on that now?
The CHOICE we make is what determines our fate - obedience or sin simply reveals our spiritual state.
We clear on that now?
OMG! Do I have to tell you that Christianity "in its simplest form," is all about followership. What did Jesus say of himself? I am the light of the world, he that follows me shall not work in darkness but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12).
His disciples followed him throughout his earthly life, heard him teach and preach and saw his works and testified of him in their writings for our learning so that we can believe and trust him. Jesus said to them, you also shall bear witness because you have been with me from the beginning. (John 15:27). These disciples have written the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ confirming his words and works. They were his followers.!
He consecrated and declared a new way of life which we are following as his disciples. Disciples are his dedicated followers.
The Israelites of old believed Moses and therefore subjected themselves to his leadership. It is necessary and paramount for the followership to believe in the leadership to be able to willingly follow the vision of the leader. But, Jesus even said, even if we do not believe in him, we should at least believe in the works he has done for the works testify of him and of course will convince us otherwise. Can you see the correlation? Call it the elementary reason why we need to believe in him. If you do not believe in him, you can not willingly be his follower, and cannot key into his gospel. His disciples are his dedicated followers because they believed and trusted him. So, believers in Christ are followers of Christ.
On the issue of being born a Christian. it looks as if your memory has failed you. We have gone through this lane before. You may wish to go through your previous posts on our "conversation" on it. I do not wish to revisit it here or in any other post.
His disciples followed him throughout his earthly life, heard him teach and preach and saw his works and testified of him in their writings for our learning so that we can believe and trust him. Jesus said to them, you also shall bear witness because you have been with me from the beginning. (John 15:27). These disciples have written the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ confirming his words and works. They were his followers.!
He consecrated and declared a new way of life which we are following as his disciples. Disciples are his dedicated followers.
The Israelites of old believed Moses and therefore subjected themselves to his leadership. It is necessary and paramount for the followership to believe in the leadership to be able to willingly follow the vision of the leader. But, Jesus even said, even if we do not believe in him, we should at least believe in the works he has done for the works testify of him and of course will convince us otherwise. Can you see the correlation? Call it the elementary reason why we need to believe in him. If you do not believe in him, you can not willingly be his follower, and cannot key into his gospel. His disciples are his dedicated followers because they believed and trusted him. So, believers in Christ are followers of Christ.
On the issue of being born a Christian. it looks as if your memory has failed you. We have gone through this lane before. You may wish to go through your previous posts on our "conversation" on it. I do not wish to revisit it here or in any other post.
-
1
- Show all
When David's sin was made known to him, he sincerely repented and never committed that sin again. OR did he? He was however punished for allowing sin multiply in him. The minimum standard is to confess and repent of sins when it comes to our knowledge.
When Peter realized his error, he wept bitterly. Did he ever betray him again? No, because he sincerely repented of his wrong doing. We are given the grace of repentance and forgiveness of sins.
It is only God that knows the heart of man, and, to whom the Holy Spirit reveals it to. But, one thing is clear in the scripture, if the righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, his righteousness shall not be remembered, for in his sin shall he die. If he realizes his error and repents, he shall be welcomed back with love just like the Prodigal son in the parable of the Prodigal son.
The people you mentioned sinned and repented and remained in "the good books of Life". Jesus tells us as he told the woman caught in adultery, - go and sin no more.
When Peter realized his error, he wept bitterly. Did he ever betray him again? No, because he sincerely repented of his wrong doing. We are given the grace of repentance and forgiveness of sins.
It is only God that knows the heart of man, and, to whom the Holy Spirit reveals it to. But, one thing is clear in the scripture, if the righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, his righteousness shall not be remembered, for in his sin shall he die. If he realizes his error and repents, he shall be welcomed back with love just like the Prodigal son in the parable of the Prodigal son.
The people you mentioned sinned and repented and remained in "the good books of Life". Jesus tells us as he told the woman caught in adultery, - go and sin no more.
-
1
- Show all
Yes, you are your father's son, but your father can disinherit you for lack of relationship or lifestyle choices. And when this happens, you can not truly say that your father recognized you as his son in the real sense of it. Or else, he would not have disinherited you.
Why should I ignore the words -to be? Is it because it does not give credence to your meaning.. Well, to me, whether we take it out or not, it means the same. It is noteworthy, Paul believed that though, these converts are sanctified in Christ Jesus. they are not automatically saints. Even, in situations where they are called saints, they are saints by faith. Sanctification is a process. Therefore, they have to live the life of saints to produce "saintly" fruits of good works. We see Paul praying for the saints in Colosse that they might be filled with the knowledge of his (God's) will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding. That they may walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in all good works, and increasing in the knowledge of God , strengthened with all might according to his glorious power unto all patience, longsuffering with joyfulness etc . This is to enable and empower them live in the way and manner of saints.
He told the Roman " saints" -- if any of them has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Recall that these are the saints who are sanctified in Christ Jesus. Since they are Paul's converts, it would be assumed correctly that at the time they converted and, believed, they must have received the holy Spirit and sealed as well. But, here Paul is portraying the fact that it is possible not to continue to have this Spirit of Christ in them. They can be found wanting. The scripture says quench not the Spirit. Can you rightly say that Paul did not regard them as true believers in the first place as you seem to portray in your post?
He told the Colossians that Christ has reconciled them in the body of his flesh through death, to present them holy and unblamable and unreproveable in his sight -- if they continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel which they have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven ----------do you notice that proviso"" if they continue ------ what does that tell you?
God's salvation for mankind is eternal and offers eternal security for all who do the will of the Father which is in heaven. Paul shows in his epistles and the scripture generally shows that a believer can loose his stand in God by his choice of deeds if he stops walking in the light of God until he changes his way and comes back to the light.
Why should I ignore the words -to be? Is it because it does not give credence to your meaning.. Well, to me, whether we take it out or not, it means the same. It is noteworthy, Paul believed that though, these converts are sanctified in Christ Jesus. they are not automatically saints. Even, in situations where they are called saints, they are saints by faith. Sanctification is a process. Therefore, they have to live the life of saints to produce "saintly" fruits of good works. We see Paul praying for the saints in Colosse that they might be filled with the knowledge of his (God's) will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding. That they may walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in all good works, and increasing in the knowledge of God , strengthened with all might according to his glorious power unto all patience, longsuffering with joyfulness etc . This is to enable and empower them live in the way and manner of saints.
He told the Roman " saints" -- if any of them has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Recall that these are the saints who are sanctified in Christ Jesus. Since they are Paul's converts, it would be assumed correctly that at the time they converted and, believed, they must have received the holy Spirit and sealed as well. But, here Paul is portraying the fact that it is possible not to continue to have this Spirit of Christ in them. They can be found wanting. The scripture says quench not the Spirit. Can you rightly say that Paul did not regard them as true believers in the first place as you seem to portray in your post?
He told the Colossians that Christ has reconciled them in the body of his flesh through death, to present them holy and unblamable and unreproveable in his sight -- if they continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel which they have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven ----------do you notice that proviso"" if they continue ------ what does that tell you?
God's salvation for mankind is eternal and offers eternal security for all who do the will of the Father which is in heaven. Paul shows in his epistles and the scripture generally shows that a believer can loose his stand in God by his choice of deeds if he stops walking in the light of God until he changes his way and comes back to the light.
-
1
- Show all
We are not saved by keeping the commandments ... the commandments are not given for to save anyone. Nor is our salvation affected by either the keeping or not of commandments.
Let's be absolutely clear
The scripture says nothing about us choosing to remain abiding in the Vine, choosing to no longer continuing in His word or choosing to no longer saying "not my will but Thine"
What it does say is when Jesus prayed and said "Father of the men Thou hast given Me not one is lost except the son of perdition..." Judas never was saved.
What it does say is that the Good Shepherd having 100 sheep if one strays goes after the lost one and finds him and carries him home on His shoulders rejoicing"
Jesus has a 100% record.
Let's be absolutely clear
The scripture says nothing about us choosing to remain abiding in the Vine, choosing to no longer continuing in His word or choosing to no longer saying "not my will but Thine"
What it does say is when Jesus prayed and said "Father of the men Thou hast given Me not one is lost except the son of perdition..." Judas never was saved.
What it does say is that the Good Shepherd having 100 sheep if one strays goes after the lost one and finds him and carries him home on His shoulders rejoicing"
Jesus has a 100% record.
-
1
- Show all
