Alcohol - a world wide phenomena

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Christians should drink alcohol ...

  • Only once in a great long while, and only for special occasions chosen by God.

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  • In any amount, at any time, for God placed no restrictions on the drinking of alcohol.

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  • ???, I don't know if or when God allows the drinking of alcohol, as I am still studying this out.

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  • Can only drink alcohol when in God's service or ministry.

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John146

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People will argue day and night over their alcohol. Why is that?
There can be alcohol present while the grapes are still on the vine.

You are welcome to abstain, but you cannot make a biblical case to impose total abstinence on anyone else. It simply isn't possible.
Yes or no, would society be better off without alcohol?
 

Magenta

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Yes or no, would society be better off without alcohol?
He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate— bringing forth food from the earth:
wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts.

Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do.


Uses of alcohol in medicine, industry, and daily life (<= link :))
 

Dino246

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People will argue day and night over their alcohol. Why is that?
People argue day and night over their KJV. Apply the same logic.

Yes or no, would society be better off without alcohol?
My answer, and yours, are opinions, and have no evidentiary value to the discussion.
 

John146

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Can drinking alcohol cause a brother to stumble? “Well, I will sustain from drinking in front of them.” What’s your answer going to be if one asks you if you drink alcohol? Are you going to lie to keep a brother from stumbling?
 

Magenta

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Can drinking alcohol cause a brother to stumble? “Well, I will sustain from drinking in front of them.” What’s your answer going to be if one asks you if you drink alcohol? Are you going to lie to keep a brother from stumbling?
I don't drink alcohol, so if offered a drink I would simply decline.

Others drinking in front of me is not a problem either.

The suggestion was not to lie about drinking, or whatever, but to abstain in
front of those who are weak in their faith so as to not cause a problem for them.
 

John146

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I don't drink alcohol, so if offered a drink I would simply decline.

Others drinking in front of me is not a problem either.

The suggestion was not to lie about drinking, or whatever, but to abstain in
front of those who are weak in their faith so as to not cause a problem for them.
I work with many teenagers. One reason I do not drink is because if they were to ask me, I want to say no, I don’t drink. A “yes” could cause them to stumble. Alcohol has destroyed many of my family and friends. Not one good thing can come from it.
 

Magenta

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I work with many teenagers. One reason I do not drink is because if they were to ask me, I want to say no, I don’t drink. A “yes” could cause them to stumble. Alcohol has destroyed many of my family and friends. Not one good thing can come from it.
If not one good thing can come from it, why is it recommended under certain circumstances in Scripture?
 

John146

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If not one good thing can come from it, why is it recommended under certain circumstances in Scripture?
To those who are sick to numb their illness. I guess if one is sick, then it can come in handy. We’ve got medicine today.
 

Magenta

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To those who are sick to numb their illness. I guess if one is sick, then it can come in handy. We’ve got medicine today.
Alcohol is used medicinally still. In more ways than one...
 

CS1

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God said Be sober. Because your adversary the devil goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

God said Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God. Drunkness is a sin.

Why do we think we can control fire and hold it next to our body and not be burned by it? Then make excuses for why we were burned knowing NOT to Play with Fire.
 

Dino246

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There is so much ridiculous black-and-white thinking with this subject.

Simply put, consumption of alcohol is not forbidden in Scripture. There is a line for everyone between acceptable and unacceptable levels of consumption (for some it is zero).

If you choose to abstain, fine, but stop promoting error, confusion, and corruption of the Scriptures by your ignorance and bias.
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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Give strong drink to one who is perishing, and wine to the bitter in soul.
Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Proverbs 31:6-7
And keep in mind also that while wine is "fruit of the vine" - either alcoholic or not - "strong drink" is actually referring to liquor.
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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To those who are sick to numb their illness. I guess if one is sick, then it can come in handy. We’ve got medicine today.
I will say though that there is no better painkiller than alcohol. It doesn't deaden pain or sorrow per se - in fact sometimes it heightens them to the point that you can actually cry and that in itself is a relief - but it can make it so that you don't CARE that you are suffering, also a relief.

If you've never experienced a sorrow so deep that you have wished for death for a period of years, you probably won't understand what I'm talking about.
 

John146

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I will say though that there is no better painkiller than alcohol. It doesn't deaden pain or sorrow per se - in fact sometimes it heightens them to the point that you can actually cry and that in itself is a relief - but it can make it so that you don't CARE that you are suffering, also a relief.

If you've never experienced a sorrow so deep that you have wished for death for a period of years, you probably won't understand what I'm talking about.
Three years of cancer treatment, tons of chemo, radiation, and three transplants…never wanted alcohol. That’s just me.
 

Magenta

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And keep in mind also that while wine is "fruit of the vine" - either alcoholic or not - "strong drink" is actually referring to liquor.
Beer is even mentioned in Scriptures :) Mostly, but not always, in a negative way ;)

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.


Proverbs 31:4
It is not for kings, Lemuel— it is not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer,


Proverbs 31:6
Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish!


Isaiah 24:9
No longer do they drink wine with a song; the beer is bitter to its drinkers.


Isaiah 28:7
And these also stagger from wine and reel from beer: Priests and prophets stagger from beer and are befuddled
with wine; they reel from beer, they stagger when seeing visions, they stumble when rendering decisions.


Isaiah 29:9
Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer.


Isaiah 56:12
“Come,” each one cries, “let me get wine! Let us drink our fill
of beer! And tomorrow will be like today, or even far better.”


Micah 2:11
If a liar and deceiver comes and says, ‘I will prophesy for you plenty
of wine and beer,’ that would be just the prophet for this people!
 

John146

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There is so much ridiculous black-and-white thinking with this subject.

Simply put, consumption of alcohol is not forbidden in Scripture. There is a line for everyone between acceptable and unacceptable levels of consumption (for some it is zero).

If you choose to abstain, fine, but stop promoting error, confusion, and corruption of the Scriptures by your ignorance and bias.
I think the following principle is wise. To avoid fornication, it is good not to touch a woman. To avoid drunkenness, don’t touch alcohol. Don’t play with fire.

1 Corinthians 7:
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
 

John146

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Beer is even mentioned in Scriptures :) Mostly, but not always, in a negative way ;)

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.


Proverbs 31:4
It is not for kings, Lemuel— it is not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer,


Proverbs 31:6
Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish!


Isaiah 24:9
No longer do they drink wine with a song; the beer is bitter to its drinkers.


Isaiah 28:7
And these also stagger from wine and reel from beer: Priests and prophets stagger from beer and are befuddled
with wine; they reel from beer, they stagger when seeing visions, they stumble when rendering decisions.


Isaiah 29:9
Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer.


Isaiah 56:12
“Come,” each one cries, “let me get wine! Let us drink our fill
of beer! And tomorrow will be like today, or even far better.”


Micah 2:11
If a liar and deceiver comes and says, ‘I will prophesy for you plenty
of wine and beer,’ that would be just the prophet for this people!
Wine is a mocker. Why put something in your body that scripture, God calls a mocker?
 
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Three years of cancer treatment, tons of chemo, radiation, and three transplants…never wanted alcohol. That’s just me.
Well, I didn't want alcohol either, honestly. Can't stand the taste. I just wanted the suffering to end.

Which it did eventually, thank God! And I don't drink these days. I had one drink in the last year, and that was a family medicinal remedy when I was sick.
 
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There is so much ridiculous black-and-white thinking with this subject.

Simply put, consumption of alcohol is not forbidden in Scripture. There is a line for everyone between acceptable and unacceptable levels of consumption (for some it is zero).

If you choose to abstain, fine, but stop promoting error, confusion, and corruption of the Scriptures by your ignorance and bias.
If only people would consider the research from the scripture which was provided twice, instead of promoting non-scriptural anecdotal 'just-so' stories, then a real bible study could begin, but the devil does not like detailed and exact consideration of God's word, and must add his own commentary and take away from what God said every time.

Alcohol is indeed forbidden in scripture. I referred to several such texts in the research of the Bible.

Perhaps bible study, which was the point of this thread to begin with, can take place after all of the Babylonian "whine" has gone out of some men, and all are properly 'vented' from their 'leaven'.