Russia preparing for war

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I wouldn't know...as soon as I see them, I push the mute button. I can no longer bear to hear their voices. And besides, I know that what they're going to say will add nothing to my understanding of them. They are corrupt to the core...low-lifes!
 

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Germany is invading russia? When in second world war?
Putin is saying that the Ukraine people are brethren to the russian people.
To kill them is what a brother should do to the brother?
Putin is a crimnal murder and is personal responsible for every killed life during this present war.
Yes, do you not think Russia deserves credit for it's role in WWII? I know I do, they took the most casualties, and actually pushed the Germans back to their own country. Not to mention it was Russia who got to Berlin, before any other country. You might have some biased views being in Germany, but that's just a guess. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Germans killed German American citizens during WWII, so how are you able to judge being a German citizen? Not to mention Germans killing German Jews in concentration camps. Which is quite dishonorable in many ways.

I believe Ukraine is the origins of the Russian people. Putin also said, the people of Crimea (pre 2014) and Dombass (last 8 years) were being slaughtered, and needed to be free. Not to mention the failed agreements of NATO.

Not sure I agree with you entirely. Putin asked Ukraine to lay down their weapons, so every arm raised has taken a risk of death by this action. Seen a video where a Russian ship told Ukrainian military personal on a island, to lay down your weapons. The Ukrainians cursed at them in defiance and got killed after that action. It's hard for me to believe this was entirely Putin's fault. Just my perspective.

The U.S. has military bases all over the world and pretty much blankets Russia on all it's boarders practically. Russia tried to put missiles just in Cuba, and it almost started a World War. I just have a hard time seeing it's only Russia's fault, if there is death in this Ukraine war, it takes two to tangle. Russia even offered not to attack Ukraine, if the U.S. would stop sending military equipment to Ukraine, the U.S. refused, and here we are now.

Let's not forget the U.S. had it's way the last 20 years in the Middle East, with many war crimes. Libya and Iraq to name a few of it's genocidal programs. Libya is still in shambles thanks to NATO and the U.S.. Anyways...
 

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Just because Putin is a gangster doesn't mean that Ukraine is innocent. The mafiosos and cartels always fight it out amongst themselves. I think the evidence is overwhelming that the Ukraine administration is every bit as evil as the Russian administration. After all, if Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama and Joe Biden are all saying we need to defend Ukraine what does that tell you?
It doesnt matter me what Clinton, Obama or Biden says about it. I have my own meaning.
If someone is killing other people without reason the case is clear in my eyes. Its a crime! The arguments from Putin he fears the West will make war against Him, is realy a joke.
I know you have in the US this comunist Trauma that you think that every non republican is an communist.
So far I know there are also children of God among the democrates.
 

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The media wants us to think this is a whole new thing Putin's jumping off on. Invading Ukraine.
It's a chess game. And all the leaders of the west I think are in on it.

2019:
 

Aidan1

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Yes, do you not think Russia deserves credit for it's role in WWII? I know I do, they took the most casualties, and actually pushed the Germans back to their own country. Not to mention it was Russia who got to Berlin, before any other country. You might have some biased views being in Germany, but that's just a guess. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Germans killed German American citizens during WWII, so how are you able to judge being a German citizen? Not to mention Germans killing German Jews in concentration camps. Which is quite dishonorable in many ways.

I believe Ukraine is the origins of the Russian people. Putin also said, the people of Crimea (pre 2014) and Dombass (last 8 years) were being slaughtered, and needed to be free. Not to mention the failed agreements of NATO.

Not sure I agree with you entirely. Putin asked Ukraine to lay down their weapons, so every arm raised has taken a risk of death by this action. Seen a video where a Russian ship told Ukrainian military personal on a island, to lay down your weapons. The Ukrainians cursed at them in defiance and got killed after that action. It's hard for me to believe this was entirely Putin's fault. Just my perspective.

The U.S. has military bases all over the world and pretty much blankets Russia on all it's boarders practically. Russia tried to put missiles just in Cuba, and it almost started a World War. I just have a hard time seeing it's only Russia's fault, if there is death in this Ukraine war, it takes two to tangle. Russia even offered not to attack Ukraine, if the U.S. would stop sending military equipment to Ukraine, the U.S. refused, and here we are now.

Let's not forget the U.S. had it's way the last 20 years in the Middle East, with many war crimes. Libya and Iraq to name a few of it's genocidal programs. Libya is still in shambles thanks to NATO and the U.S.. Anyways...
Putin is a liar, so it is not wise to believe a liar. There are n Single proofes that the Ukraine made a genozid in dombas what Putin claimes. If this would be true why he dont inform 8 years ago the International fellowship. That the Ukraine is killing the russian civil people on Dombas?
There are Christians living in Dombas which were persecutet from the Pro russian goverment. They took all the civil rights from them. So if they dont register to the Pro russian goverment the churches got no water or electricity.
Putins goal is to become a place in the history books. He will Reunion the countrys of sovietunion as they was before 1990. And if people dont agree with him, he put them in prison. Belarus belongs already to Putin. The Dictator in Belarus can only rule, because he is doing what Putin tells him.
Tell me is ukraine an souveran country? With all rights? Would you say the USA is an souveran country? What would you say if any other country want to tell your country what to do and not?
Putin had prepared and planed this war. And he made it like Hitler began the war.
Putin createt an reason for to move into the Ukraine.
 

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Yes, do you not think Russia deserves credit for it's role in WWII? I know I do, they took the most casualties, and actually pushed the Germans back to their own country. Not to mention it was Russia who got to Berlin, before any other country. You might have some biased views being in Germany, but that's just a guess. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Germans killed German American citizens during WWII, so how are you able to judge being a German citizen? Not to mention Germans killing German Jews in concentration camps. Which is quite dishonorable in many ways.

I believe Ukraine is the origins of the Russian people. Putin also said, the people of Crimea (pre 2014) and Dombass (last 8 years) were being slaughtered, and needed to be free. Not to mention the failed agreements of NATO.

Not sure I agree with you entirely. Putin asked Ukraine to lay down their weapons, so every arm raised has taken a risk of death by this action. Seen a video where a Russian ship told Ukrainian military personal on a island, to lay down your weapons. The Ukrainians cursed at them in defiance and got killed after that action. It's hard for me to believe this was entirely Putin's fault. Just my perspective.

The U.S. has military bases all over the world and pretty much blankets Russia on all it's boarders practically. Russia tried to put missiles just in Cuba, and it almost started a World War. I just have a hard time seeing it's only Russia's fault, if there is death in this Ukraine war, it takes two to tangle. Russia even offered not to attack Ukraine, if the U.S. would stop sending military equipment to Ukraine, the U.S. refused, and here we are now.

Let's not forget the U.S. had it's way the last 20 years in the Middle East, with many war crimes. Libya and Iraq to name a few of it's genocidal programs. Libya is still in shambles thanks to NATO and the U.S.. Anyways...
Yes the Russian army deserves credit for what they did during WWII , as do the rest of the Allies. But remember how Stalin treated his "solders" ( i put quotes cause they were mainly poorly trained civilians forced into the war ) with his no retreat order, military officer purges and scorched earth policy . They literally shot and killed their own solders and burned everyone's homes and property because of Stalin's orders. Even when the war was over the purges continued to the civilian population with Stalin murdering or imprisoning another 6 million of his own people. Im not saying Putin is the same, maybe he is being forced into doing what he is doing.
 

kinda

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Putin is a liar, so it is not wise to believe a liar. There are n Single proofes that the Ukraine made a genozid in dombas what Putin claimes. If this would be true why he dont inform 8 years ago the International fellowship. That the Ukraine is killing the russian civil people on Dombas?
There are Christians living in Dombas which were persecutet from the Pro russian goverment. They took all the civil rights from them. So if they dont register to the Pro russian goverment the churches got no water or electricity.
Putins goal is to become a place in the history books. He will Reunion the countrys of sovietunion as they was before 1990. And if people dont agree with him, he put them in prison. Belarus belongs already to Putin. The Dictator in Belarus can only rule, because he is doing what Putin tells him.
Tell me is ukraine an souveran country? With all rights? Would you say the USA is an souveran country? What would you say if any other country want to tell your country what to do and not?
Putin had prepared and planed this war. And he made it like Hitler began the war.
Putin createt an reason for to move into the Ukraine.

Believe what you want, what ever happens now, has no consequence on what we believe or don't believe. We need to be looking towards God, not arguing who is the least evil country. It's a mess and I hope we can both agree on this point.

By the way, why is Merkel shaking? Maybe she knows World War is coming and if history repeats, Germany will be in the thick of it.

 

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Believe what you want, what ever happens now, has no consequence on what we believe or don't believe. We need to be looking towards God, not arguing who is the least evil country. It's a mess and I hope we can both agree on this point.

By the way, why is Merkel shaking? Maybe she knows World War is coming and if history repeats, Germany will be in the thick of it.

Wow, you think Biden is a joke then you see Trudeau, Macron and now Merkel. This is a bizarre time in world history with the most pathetic leaders I have ever seen.
 

ZNP

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It doesnt matter me what Clinton, Obama or Biden says about it. I have my own meaning.
If someone is killing other people without reason the case is clear in my eyes. Its a crime! The arguments from Putin he fears the West will make war against Him, is realy a joke.
I know you have in the US this comunist Trauma that you think that every non republican is an communist.
So far I know there are also children of God among the democrates.
Bless you, are you volunteering to go and die for democracy* in Ukraine! You are great, better to send our elderly and decrepit rather than our kids.

*BTW Ukraine is not a democracy, just another corrupt dictatorship.
 

lawrence101

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Wow, you think Biden is a joke then you see Trudeau, Macron and now Merkel. This is a bizarre time in world history with the most pathetic leaders I have ever seen.
Careful saying that about Adolf Justine Trudeau he may send his Gestapo knocking at your door, freeze your bank account and take your truck, he's done it before.
 

ZNP

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Careful saying that about Adolf Justine Trudeau he may send his Gestapo knocking at your door, freeze your bank account and take your truck, he's done it before.
He's never done it to an American in the US, but as long as I can still speak the truth I will. If people would stop fearing these little weasels we would be able to kick them out of office immediately.
 

Aidan1

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Believe what you want, what ever happens now, has no consequence on what we believe or don't believe. We need to be looking towards God, not arguing who is the least evil country. It's a mess and I hope we can both agree on this point.

By the way, why is Merkel shaking? Maybe she knows World War is coming and if history repeats, Germany will be in the thick of it.

Frau Merkel has some health problems, thats why. And has nothing to do with the Ukraine.
Yes, I agree its a mess.
But i would say, of course our meaning has always consequences if it turns into Action. Like f.e. russian people who think that Putin is wrong and demonstrate for stopping the war. The consequences are they have to go into prison.
And consequences of our meaning can be that we pray for our brothers and sisters and for the lost people, that maby they become open to God because of the War.
 

Aidan1

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Wow, you think Biden is a joke then you see Trudeau, Macron and now Merkel. This is a bizarre time in world history with the most pathetic leaders I have ever seen.
You know that Frau Merkel is since december not longer Bundeskanzler ? And that her Party is now in the Opposition?
 

Aidan1

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Bless you, are you volunteering to go and die for democracy* in Ukraine! You are great, better to send our elderly and decrepit rather than our kids.

*BTW Ukraine is not a democracy, just another corrupt dictatorship.
Well, not more or less than the US under Trump.
 

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He's never done it to an American in the US, but as long as I can still speak the truth I will. If people would stop fearing these little weasels we would be able to kick them out of office immediately.
Agree, it will be one happy day for all Canadians when that piece of " % #& *@ " ( i dont want to use bad language but its tempting ) is gone for good.
 

kinda

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Frau Merkel has some health problems, thats why. And has nothing to do with the Ukraine.
Yes, I agree its a mess.
But i would say, of course our meaning has always consequences if it turns into Action. Like f.e. russian people who think that Putin is wrong and demonstrate for stopping the war. The consequences are they have to go into prison.
And consequences of our meaning can be that we pray for our brothers and sisters and for the lost people, that maby they become open to God because of the War.

According to this website, it's probably due to stress, and anxiety. I should apologize and be more sensitive, being a world leader probably isn't all that fun. When you retire from leadership, it's looks fun though. lol

Sorry Merkel.


https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-reports-of-angela-merkel-shaking/
 

ZNP

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Well, not more or less than the US under Trump.
Why would the US send troops to defend Ukraine? I can understand you and Germany going if that is the way you feel, this is your backyard. I can understand you wanting to strengthen Poland from invasion from Russia, that makes sense to me. But surely you were not suggesting that American kids should come and fight your wars? That would be the most cowardly and pathetic thing I can imagine.

Many of us have been saying that the pandemic was a bioweapon and the beginning of a war. You however have been very clear in saying this is not true. OK, so what have you got to worry about, this is a small localized attack from a country with a smaller economy than Germany and a much, much smaller economy than all of Europe. You got this.
 

Aidan1

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Why would the US send troops to defend Ukraine? I can understand you and Germany going if that is the way you feel, this is your backyard. I can understand you wanting to strengthen Poland from invasion from Russia, that makes sense to me. But surely you were not suggesting that American kids should come and fight your wars? That would be the most cowardly and pathetic thing I can imagine.

Many of us have been saying that the pandemic was a bioweapon and the beginning of a war. You however have been very clear in saying this is not true. OK, so what have you got to worry about, this is a small localized attack from a country with a smaller economy than Germany and a much, much smaller economy than all of Europe. You got this.
Pardon, i was not saying something about what you wrote in your post.
I said only that that if you call the Ukraine a corrupt dictatorship that the US under Trump was not better.
 

ZNP

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Pardon, i was not saying something about what you wrote in your post.
I said only that that if you call the Ukraine a corrupt dictatorship that the US under Trump was not better.
I started this thread to discuss Russia preparing for war and how that fit into the Global elites plan to get one world government.

To claim that we cannot talk about Ukraine being a corrupt dictatorship without also talking about Trump seems like a pathetic attempt to change the subject. This is not a thread about how all governments are corrupt, nor is this about Trump. You seem to have Trump delusion syndrome in which every subject somehow must be tied to Trump. Seems amazing that Russia could begin a war at your doorstep and you are still caught up in this TDS more than a year after Trump left office. Have you considered counseling?
 

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Believe what you want, what ever happens now, has no consequence on what we believe or don't believe. We need to be looking towards God, not arguing who is the least evil country. It's a mess and I hope we can both agree on this point.

By the way, why is Merkel shaking? Maybe she knows World War is coming and if history repeats, Germany will be in the thick of it.

did she take the "jab"?