You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!
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Wrong - there’s a diff in slipping into sin - like losing your temper, and climbing down into the pit and refusing to leave, like you and your vitriolic, judgmental posts which you have plenty of opportunity to erase before you post them.
The WORST examples of “Christian character” is found in those who fight tooth in nail at the idea we need to act like Christ.
The WORST examples of “Christian character” is found in those who fight tooth in nail at the idea we need to act like Christ.
Not once have I even mentioned calvanism I keep reposting what I wanted you to read and answer you keep not answering it at this point I am beginning to think you are feigning ignroance and not going to answer it I will post it one last time if you still will not or cannot answer it then I will not answer yours and I will know that you simply cannot answer it and that it was indeed God given with no loop hole to turn into your own interpretation to fit your narrative if you can answer it then not only will I answer your question but will gladly discuss your question with you further.
Please read and answer my question in bold as I have posted it many times already and you have yet to answer it
As far as whether osas is true or not whether one can lose their salvation or not honestly to me it isn't hard to understand we were purchased by God with his sons death we are not our own our salvation was not by our own doing we are slaves to Christs the deed of our souls are not in our hands but in his.
Unless of course you think different, otherwise can a one who is purchased make a claim for themselves? can a slave be their own master? do you think we can just snatch the deed from God's hands? So tell me did he purchase us with his sons death or not? are we slaves to Christ like Paul or not? does he own the deed to our souls or not? are we our own or not and was our salvation our own doing or not? and if you agree to even one of these things then by all means explain how one can somehow lose what isn't theirs to lose.
Please read and answer my question in bold as I have posted it many times already and you have yet to answer it
As far as whether osas is true or not whether one can lose their salvation or not honestly to me it isn't hard to understand we were purchased by God with his sons death we are not our own our salvation was not by our own doing we are slaves to Christs the deed of our souls are not in our hands but in his.
Unless of course you think different, otherwise can a one who is purchased make a claim for themselves? can a slave be their own master? do you think we can just snatch the deed from God's hands? So tell me did he purchase us with his sons death or not? are we slaves to Christ like Paul or not? does he own the deed to our souls or not? are we our own or not and was our salvation our own doing or not? and if you agree to even one of these things then by all means explain how one can somehow lose what isn't theirs to lose.
Dude....there's like FIFTY questions here! I knew a man who bought a dog that ran away from his master.
Plenty of runway slaves in 19th century United States died in rebellion to their masters
What good is a "deed" if the house is full of termites from floor to rafters?
If we allow ourselves to be bought and possessed, yes. Jesus' blood does not force the transaction, only provides opportunity for it.
Did Paul admit he could preach to others, yet still wind up a "castaway"?
Ownership of a deed doesn't mean the house can't burn down.
Plenty of slaves ran away after their masters bought them. Will God force us to remain on the Plantation, or does he invite us to stay?
Plenty of runway slaves in 19th century United States died in rebellion to their masters
What good is a "deed" if the house is full of termites from floor to rafters?
If we allow ourselves to be bought and possessed, yes. Jesus' blood does not force the transaction, only provides opportunity for it.
Did Paul admit he could preach to others, yet still wind up a "castaway"?
Ownership of a deed doesn't mean the house can't burn down.
Plenty of slaves ran away after their masters bought them. Will God force us to remain on the Plantation, or does he invite us to stay?
Yes a slave can run away but that is a metaphore for walking away from faith in Jesus not having to do with losing salvation because their is a difference between losing salvation and giving it up so no that won't work for your point if a slave runs away they are giving up their salvation not losing it the same with a deed to a house it won't be torn down by any person who owns it and it won't be torn down by any stranger because it isn't their house and it isn't as if the owner would allow it.
But it is simply a matter of who holds the deed to our salvation are we our own or not? If the houses floor boards are filled with termites then it wasn't build on solid ground to begin with if a slave runs away froma good master they were never loyal to begin with now what was your question?
But it is simply a matter of who holds the deed to our salvation are we our own or not? If the houses floor boards are filled with termites then it wasn't build on solid ground to begin with if a slave runs away froma good master they were never loyal to begin with now what was your question?
The law existed long before Moses. Cain knew not to kill. Rachel knew not to steal. Abraham knew not to lie twice. Joseph knew not to commit adultery. And, if that's not far back enough for you, Satan "sinned" in heaven before he was kicked out...because "sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4 KJV) which means there was a Law in heaven.
Did you know this is the first and oldest controversy in the bible? must the Gentiles obey the law of Moses.?
Everywhere Paul preached your ancestors followed him around. They came and taught that THEY were sent by the apostles in Jerusalem. "what Paul is preaching [quoth they] is a license to sin ... you must must obey Moses in order to be saved"
That is YOUR message, I won't tell you all that Paul said about these phoneman apostles, you can read Galatians for yourself. But Paul took the matter to Jerusalem, to James and John and Peter and a great conference was held to discuss the question " must the Gentiles be circumcised and must they obey the law of Moses"
Peter said "now therefore why tempt ye God to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" He wasn't speaking about circumcision, circumcision was not a yoke which the Jews could not bear. The Jews still get circumcised today. The law of Moses was the yoke which neither the fathers or the apostles were able to bear.
You can read all that for yourself in the OT. But James wrote a letter
"forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls saying ye must be circumcised and keep the law to whom we gave no such commandment.
It seemed good to us being assembled with one accord to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Paul and Barnabas
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost and us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things.
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood and from things strangled. And from fornication from which if ye keep yourselves ye shall do well. Fare ye well"
There you are the law for christians is abolished.
Everywhere Paul preached your ancestors followed him around. They came and taught that THEY were sent by the apostles in Jerusalem. "what Paul is preaching [quoth they] is a license to sin ... you must must obey Moses in order to be saved"
That is YOUR message, I won't tell you all that Paul said about these phoneman apostles, you can read Galatians for yourself. But Paul took the matter to Jerusalem, to James and John and Peter and a great conference was held to discuss the question " must the Gentiles be circumcised and must they obey the law of Moses"
Peter said "now therefore why tempt ye God to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" He wasn't speaking about circumcision, circumcision was not a yoke which the Jews could not bear. The Jews still get circumcised today. The law of Moses was the yoke which neither the fathers or the apostles were able to bear.
You can read all that for yourself in the OT. But James wrote a letter
"forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls saying ye must be circumcised and keep the law to whom we gave no such commandment.
It seemed good to us being assembled with one accord to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Paul and Barnabas
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost and us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things.
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood and from things strangled. And from fornication from which if ye keep yourselves ye shall do well. Fare ye well"
There you are the law for christians is abolished.
Yes you are. You say if we break Moses' law we cannot go to heaven. You will deceitfully say that it is God's commandments not Moses which we must not break. God gave His commandments through Moses.
God's message to you is "My son give Me thine heart" but that is what you don't want to do. You do not want Him writing His commands upon your heart which He does by the Holy Spirit. You never speak of the indwelling life of Christ.
God's message to you is "My son give Me thine heart" but that is what you don't want to do. You do not want Him writing His commands upon your heart which He does by the Holy Spirit. You never speak of the indwelling life of Christ.
Abe did it twice...the Just Man does it 7 times or more. What's your point?
Look, does a child who stumbles while learning to walk get slapped across the room and abandoned by a stern, angry father, or does the father bend down smiling to wipe away the child's tears and to pick him up and encourage him to keep trying?
We in the Conditional Salvation crowd don't need a OSAS License to Sin because we want to learn to be obedient. The OSAS crowd needs one because they choose to not even show up for class.
Look, does a child who stumbles while learning to walk get slapped across the room and abandoned by a stern, angry father, or does the father bend down smiling to wipe away the child's tears and to pick him up and encourage him to keep trying?
We in the Conditional Salvation crowd don't need a OSAS License to Sin because we want to learn to be obedient. The OSAS crowd needs one because they choose to not even show up for class.