when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.
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Acts 5:32 KJV says God gives His Spirit "to them that obey Him".
The sinner makes up his mind to repent and obey God - and at that moment God imparts to him the Holy Spirit - the Spirit provides "agape" love of God, power to overcome, any number of gifts severally as He chooses, healing, answers to prayer, etc.
DO NOT MAKE MY FATHER'S AGAPE A CHARM FOR IMPENITENT THIEVES.
No, but you seem to be a willing disciple of Posthuman and his ridiculous "the wicked can partake of agape" nonsense.
The sinner makes up his mind to repent and obey God - and at that moment God imparts to him the Holy Spirit - the Spirit provides "agape" love of God, power to overcome, any number of gifts severally as He chooses, healing, answers to prayer, etc.
DO NOT MAKE MY FATHER'S AGAPE A CHARM FOR IMPENITENT THIEVES.
No, but you seem to be a willing disciple of Posthuman and his ridiculous "the wicked can partake of agape" nonsense.
Your yelling only makes you look boorish, and adds nothing to your case. When you're ready to discuss things rationally, I'll respond further.
I am only a disciple of Jesus Christ, and otherwise, I think for myself. You're still putting words in his mouth, and complaining about it. Do you have any idea how foolish that looks?
I am only a disciple of Jesus Christ, and otherwise, I think for myself. You're still putting words in his mouth, and complaining about it. Do you have any idea how foolish that looks?
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I don't believe you've proven with those verses that God will take back his grace gift of faith and Salvation.
I also don't think you can show verses that tells us God will undo his mark and promise to us .
“You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory” Ephesians 1:13–14
I also don't think you can show verses that tells us God will undo his mark and promise to us .
“You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory” Ephesians 1:13–14
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God instructs His people to deal with Satan. God did not kill witches. He told His people to do it. If they refused, as happened from time to time, God did not do it for them. I've been in meetings where there have been witches. One time I heard a demon talk in tongues. There was no fire from heaven and no lightning bolt.
Adam was given authority over all of God's creation. Satan, in the form of a serpent, is a created being opposed to God. Adam could and should have rejected Satan's temptation and eaten from the tree of life. He would then be full of the life of God and be able to deal Satan. Lord Jesus came as the last Adam. He defeated Satan in the wilderness and at every other encounter.
Adam was given authority over all of God's creation. Satan, in the form of a serpent, is a created being opposed to God. Adam could and should have rejected Satan's temptation and eaten from the tree of life. He would then be full of the life of God and be able to deal Satan. Lord Jesus came as the last Adam. He defeated Satan in the wilderness and at every other encounter.
So, why were Paul and David so concerned about being "castaways" if there was no chance of them winding up cast away?
Look, if we read only the parts we like, we can make the Bible say anything. OSAS clings to the many wonderful assurance verses and ignores the other verses which qualify the assurance as conditional - on condition that we confess and forsake our sin.
Look, if we read only the parts we like, we can make the Bible say anything. OSAS clings to the many wonderful assurance verses and ignores the other verses which qualify the assurance as conditional - on condition that we confess and forsake our sin.
No it ain't.
No matter how many times the Bible tells us that works are simply the evidence of our choice to believe and accept or disbelieve and reject salvation (1 John 2:3-4 KJV), the hypergrace crowd will insist there's no evidence for salvation except my own profession, and the mere suggestion that "good works" are the evidence that must accompany that profession is met with the same old tired protests.
James can tell us faith without works is dead, but no matter.
John can tell us a man who keeps not His commandments is a liar, but no matter.
Paul can tell us not the hearers of the word, but the doers of the word, but no matter.ell
Jesus can tell us if we love Him, keep His commandments, but no matter.
Revelation tells us those who have a right to the Tree of Life keep His commandments, but no matter.
No matter how many verses show good works don't earn salvation, but are the evidence we've been saved...it doesn't matter. The "not Thy will, but My will" crowd will only regard those who quote these verses as teaching "works based salvation". It's a temporary problem...Jesus is coming soon and is not going to put up with those who insist on having it their own way.
No matter how many times the Bible tells us that works are simply the evidence of our choice to believe and accept or disbelieve and reject salvation (1 John 2:3-4 KJV), the hypergrace crowd will insist there's no evidence for salvation except my own profession, and the mere suggestion that "good works" are the evidence that must accompany that profession is met with the same old tired protests.
James can tell us faith without works is dead, but no matter.
John can tell us a man who keeps not His commandments is a liar, but no matter.
Paul can tell us not the hearers of the word, but the doers of the word, but no matter.ell
Jesus can tell us if we love Him, keep His commandments, but no matter.
Revelation tells us those who have a right to the Tree of Life keep His commandments, but no matter.
No matter how many verses show good works don't earn salvation, but are the evidence we've been saved...it doesn't matter. The "not Thy will, but My will" crowd will only regard those who quote these verses as teaching "works based salvation". It's a temporary problem...Jesus is coming soon and is not going to put up with those who insist on having it their own way.
Amen brother, this is perfect example of human beings not having the authority of heavenly authority on certain matters.
hi brother, I'm not sure your seeing completely see what our brother is saying, so I'm going to ask you to think about this,. Please think about these questions, I know you are intelligent and a good brother so When ever you see a person preaching OSAS, would you say a high majority of them get offended when another brother suggests to them Salvation can be lost, ? Please answer this.
Now on the flip side the irony is OSAS is always preaching to brothers here, there salvation can be lost, by preaching to brothers what they must not do to gain salvation, such as performing works do not gain salvation, so in effect there saying to brothers I have to question if your saved if you believe this, which is no different to a brother saying the Bible says a bother can denounce there faith. Both arguments ultimately have the bottom line is a brother is not saved,
As you know faith without works is dead, but that sentence does not say the person who has no works at the time of being told this, may be dead in spirit completely.
Also the sentence that says a brother may denounce there faith, does not say that brother is immediately dead in spirit when told this.
This is why we can not make the decision of who is saved or not I believe you can come to the decision also if you understand my questions that OSAS is on error because it teaches and preaches blindly with ignorance to brothers that a person can lose there salvation more than any other doctrine on the planet.
, And it does it with pride and gets a way with upsetting a brother every time, because the brother is is made to look bad for questioning OSAS who are ultimately preaching salvation can be lost by a brother, and many brothers have become upset at the moment of believing works will make you lose your salvation.
The brother never even thought works would lose them there salvation untill it was preached by OSAS,
And I know brothers of OSAS will say no that's not what we mean,. But really they don't see what damage there doing to the brother who loves works.
hi brother, I'm not sure your seeing completely see what our brother is saying, so I'm going to ask you to think about this,. Please think about these questions, I know you are intelligent and a good brother so When ever you see a person preaching OSAS, would you say a high majority of them get offended when another brother suggests to them Salvation can be lost, ? Please answer this.
Now on the flip side the irony is OSAS is always preaching to brothers here, there salvation can be lost, by preaching to brothers what they must not do to gain salvation, such as performing works do not gain salvation, so in effect there saying to brothers I have to question if your saved if you believe this, which is no different to a brother saying the Bible says a bother can denounce there faith. Both arguments ultimately have the bottom line is a brother is not saved,
As you know faith without works is dead, but that sentence does not say the person who has no works at the time of being told this, may be dead in spirit completely.
Also the sentence that says a brother may denounce there faith, does not say that brother is immediately dead in spirit when told this.
This is why we can not make the decision of who is saved or not I believe you can come to the decision also if you understand my questions that OSAS is on error because it teaches and preaches blindly with ignorance to brothers that a person can lose there salvation more than any other doctrine on the planet.
, And it does it with pride and gets a way with upsetting a brother every time, because the brother is is made to look bad for questioning OSAS who are ultimately preaching salvation can be lost by a brother, and many brothers have become upset at the moment of believing works will make you lose your salvation.
The brother never even thought works would lose them there salvation untill it was preached by OSAS,
And I know brothers of OSAS will say no that's not what we mean,. But really they don't see what damage there doing to the brother who loves works.
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hi mate, may I ask your thoughts on this question on this scripture that perhaps many have overlooked. Ok here goes.
Hebrews 6:4
4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen c away, to be brought back to repentance.
Have you wondered that this just may not imply a brother may lose there salvation, I bet most brothers have.
Ok it's says it's impossible, and that could be a figure of speech to mean its hard task to get those who believe there saved and those who are saved to repent for many reasons but one being,
As you see many times those who claim there saved in OSAS or Preach OSAS and are saved will not repent to a brother when they have clearly upset a brother and it is impossible to get those preaching OSAS, but not all who take this attitude to repent, they take the attitude I don't need to repent to you or anyone else when clearly they do, when the Bible is clear, that you must settle your debts.
Of cause as well you have the saved believer who is blindly in error, and the stubborn as a muel syndrome kicks in, and they can blindly argue for ever and ever, and it is impossible to bring them people also to repentance,
Or you must not falsely accuse a brother, but the brother because he's saved thinks he does not need to repent and he has not when he has, and in these situations it's impossible to bring them to repentance, but not impossible all together,. The scriptures sats it's impossible but it does not say it is not impossible,.
So could you see that Hebrews 6:4 may not just mean a brother has lost there salvation at the moment there told this scripture, ?
Hebrews 6:4
4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen c away, to be brought back to repentance.
Have you wondered that this just may not imply a brother may lose there salvation, I bet most brothers have.
Ok it's says it's impossible, and that could be a figure of speech to mean its hard task to get those who believe there saved and those who are saved to repent for many reasons but one being,
As you see many times those who claim there saved in OSAS or Preach OSAS and are saved will not repent to a brother when they have clearly upset a brother and it is impossible to get those preaching OSAS, but not all who take this attitude to repent, they take the attitude I don't need to repent to you or anyone else when clearly they do, when the Bible is clear, that you must settle your debts.
Of cause as well you have the saved believer who is blindly in error, and the stubborn as a muel syndrome kicks in, and they can blindly argue for ever and ever, and it is impossible to bring them people also to repentance,
Or you must not falsely accuse a brother, but the brother because he's saved thinks he does not need to repent and he has not when he has, and in these situations it's impossible to bring them to repentance, but not impossible all together,. The scriptures sats it's impossible but it does not say it is not impossible,.
So could you see that Hebrews 6:4 may not just mean a brother has lost there salvation at the moment there told this scripture, ?
I can't believe the degree to which people are willing to perform mental gymnastics and medieval word torture in order to make unclear something that has always been unquestionably clear:
Sinners can neither embrace or demonstrate God's "agape" without first surrendering their hearts to Him.
"Apart from Me, ye can do nothing".
Yes, everyone was clear on this until Phoneman-777 comes along and says...
Now, Composthuman and his disciple Dino420, after seeing their beloved OSAS doctrine die a horrible, agonizing death right here, refuse to accept the truth. They can't allow their OSAS License to Sin to expire. So, they're forced to leap on altars and howl like madmen and cut themselves trying to resurrect OSAS with the ridiculously indefensible argument, "Oh hell yeah, the wicked can partake of "agape" all day long!" and deny the truth of Scripture that if we can't keep God's commandments, we can't demonstrate God's "agape".
Sinners can neither embrace or demonstrate God's "agape" without first surrendering their hearts to Him.
"Apart from Me, ye can do nothing".
Yes, everyone was clear on this until Phoneman-777 comes along and says...
...if "agape" is demonstrated by keeping God's commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV)...
...but the wicked can't keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV)...
...therefore, the "many" in Matthew 24:12-13 KJV who allow iniquity to kill their "agape" cold and dead, leaving them unable to endure to the end and lost....are saints and OSAS is false.
...but the wicked can't keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV)...
...therefore, the "many" in Matthew 24:12-13 KJV who allow iniquity to kill their "agape" cold and dead, leaving them unable to endure to the end and lost....are saints and OSAS is false.
Now, Composthuman and his disciple Dino420, after seeing their beloved OSAS doctrine die a horrible, agonizing death right here, refuse to accept the truth. They can't allow their OSAS License to Sin to expire. So, they're forced to leap on altars and howl like madmen and cut themselves trying to resurrect OSAS with the ridiculously indefensible argument, "Oh hell yeah, the wicked can partake of "agape" all day long!" and deny the truth of Scripture that if we can't keep God's commandments, we can't demonstrate God's "agape".
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