Saved by Water

[Wansvic]

Yawn. I wasn't changing the subject; I was responding to JustbyFaith.

As we both stated the topic being discussed was water baptism. You refuse to stay on that topic by inserting comments about repentance.

As scripture witnesses, repentance, water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost are all required after believing in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection in order to achieve one's spiritual rebirth. You have made your choice as have we.

 

[justbyfaith]

You don't have the knowledge, or the understanding, or the authority to teach Scripture, unless of course you're content to continue being a false teacher.

I am blessed (Matthew 5:10-12).

 

[Dino246]

As we both stated the topic being discussed was water baptism. You refuse to stay on that topic by inserting comments about repentance.

As scripture witnesses, repentance, water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost are all required after believing in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection in order to achieve one's spiritual rebirth. You have made your choice as have we.

"Refuse to stay on topic"? Who died and made you king? You say yourself that repentance is linked with remission of sins.

If you don't want to discuss the issue, that's your decision, but dismissing the discussion with "You have made your choice" is insulting and ridiculous.

 

[Dino246]

I am blessed (Matthew 5:10-12).

Which says nothing about the veracity of things you believe and (attempt to) teach.

 

[justbyfaith]

Which says nothing about the veracity of things you believe and (attempt to) teach.

Sure it does. it says that you have spoken against me falsely in saying that I am a false teacher.

I am in good company with Paul the apostle (Acts 24:14 (kjv)).

 

[Dino246]

Sure it does. it says that you have spoken against me falsely in saying that I am a false teacher.

I am in good company with Paul the apostle (Acts 24:14 (kjv)).

As you claim to be teaching, but (at least some of) what you are teaching what is not true, you are a false teacher. If you simply claimed to be discussing, you would not be a false teacher.

 

[justbyfaith]

As you claim to be teaching, but (at least some of) what you are teaching what is not true, you are a false teacher. If you simply claimed to be discussing, you would not be a false teacher.

Since none of what I am teaching is untrue or unbiblical, I am no false teacher.

For I study to shew myself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

If any of what I teach is untrue, I assure you it is unintentional.

I also rely on those who are my audience to point out if they see anything that might be incorrect in what I am teaching and do always take into account the input of others when considering and re-considering doctrine.

While at the same time, I have studied for quite some time so it is not very often that someone is going to be able to prove me wrong with scripture.

But if they do, I will change my point of view in a heartbeat.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

In 1 Corinthians 12:21, "you" is plural to the singular "thee".

It follows that if "ye" is saying something different than "you", it is not speaking in the plural, but in the singular.

this has no bearing on the fact.

You ignore the actual dictionaries and text proofs. and want us to listen to you?

You scream we are biased. You just proved who is really biased here

 

[Dino246]

Since none of what I am teaching is untrue or unbiblical, I am no false teacher.

For I study to shew myself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

If any of what I teach is untrue, I assure you it is unintentional.

I also rely on those who are my audience to point out if they see anything that might be incorrect in what I am teaching and do always take into account the input of others when considering and re-considering doctrine.

While at the same time, I have studied for quite some time so it is not very often that someone is going to be able to prove me wrong with scripture.

But if they do, I will change my point of view in a heartbeat.

If you actually did your homework, you would know that the KJV use of "study" does not mean "study" in the modern sense.

Unintentionally false teaching is no less false for the lack of intention. Again, if you simply claimed to be discussing, you could not rightly be called a false teacher. The problem is that you are teaching what is not biblically sound, as I have demonstrated in the other thread. So, you can either accept the correction, or you can no longer claim that teaching error is unintentional, for you have intentionally rejected the truth.

Now, as to baptism being required for remission of sin, do you want to discuss, or do you want to teach?

 

[Wansvic]

"Refuse to stay on topic"? Who died and made you king? You say yourself that repentance is linked with remission of sins.

If you don't want to discuss the issue, that's your decision, but dismissing the discussion with "You have made your choice" is insulting and ridiculous.

So you did respond to the comments about remission of sin taking place in water baptism as recorded in Acts 2:38 and 22:16??? Sorry, I missed your post. Which one is it?

Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth.

 

[Dino246]

So you did respond to the comments about remission of sin taking place in water baptism as recorded in Acts 2:38 and 22:16??? Sorry, I missed your post. Which one is it?

Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth.

We disagree. I say that repentance is part of the process, because Scripture puts repentance with baptism. I'm not going to bicker back and forth about it.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I will pray for you.

Your th eone who needs prayer my friend

I will pray for you.

Why thank you,

Although before you do that pray for yourself.f

Pray why you ignore that the term Ye in olde english is always 2nd person plural

Pray why you ignore the fact you is not even a third person pronoun, and then ask why the english interpretors used it against its own language rules

Pray why you attack people who disagree with you. And can not even come up with a straight answer when they give an apposing view

Finally, Pray why you use the name “just by faith” But you teach Faith plus works. Which is not just by faith. In other words, Your username is misleading as to what you actually believe.

 

[Wansvic]

We disagree. I say that repentance is part of the process, because Scripture puts repentance with baptism. I'm not going to bicker back and forth about it.

I don't look at sharing God's Word as bickering.

Consider that Peter actually commanded the group to do two things; Repent, AND be baptized everyone of you in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin...(Acts 2:38-39)

Repentance is a willingness to turn away from sin, and turn back to God.
Whereas obedience to God's command to be water baptized is when God chooses to remit one's previous sins.

 

[justbyfaith]

this has no bearing on the fact.

You ignore the actual dictionaries and text proofs. and want us to listen to you?

You scream we are biased. You just proved who is really biased here

I love you too.

 

[justbyfaith]

The problem is that you are teaching what is not biblically sound, as I have demonstrated in the other thread.

You have demonstrated nothing of the sort. Provide a link.

 

[justbyfaith]

Now, as to baptism being required for remission of sin, do you want to discuss, or do you want to teach?

I don't recall ever saying that I was a teacher on these boards. I prefer to discuss.

But since I am speaking in some cases with the authority of the Holy Spirit, I suppose that that can be taken as teaching.

However, my spiritual gift is not teaching but the word of wisdom.

So, I certainly do not claim to be a teacher.

I am more of a contributor.

 

[justbyfaith]

Your th eone who needs prayer my friend

Why thank you,

Although before you do that pray for yourself.f

Pray why you ignore that the term Ye in olde english is always 2nd person plural

Pray why you ignore the fact you is not even a third person pronoun, and then ask why the english interpretors used it against its own language rules

Pray why you attack people who disagree with you. And can not even come up with a straight answer when they give an apposing view

Finally, Pray why you use the name “just by faith” But you teach Faith plus works. Which is not just by faith. In other words, Your username is misleading as to what you actually believe.

I do not believe that being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins is a work that is done by us.

So, because I am correct on this, my moniker isn't misleading in the slightest.

For Acts 2:38 salvation is not inherent in performing a work but in believing in a conditional promise through fulfilling the condition of the promise and trusting that because I have fulfilled the condition, I have the promise.

 

[justbyfaith]

Pray why you attack people who disagree with you.

I don't recall ever attacking anyone who disagrees with me. Please provide a link to the post where I did that.

 

[justbyfaith]

I know that @Dino246 has attacked me on not a few occasions because he disagrees with me; calling me a false teacher and whatnot.

I don't think that I have ever gone to that extent with anyone that I have disagreed with unless the person was actually a false teacher.

And that is not what I am.

 

[justbyfaith]

I do not believe that being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins is a work that is done by us.

So, because I am correct on this, my moniker isn't misleading in the slightest.

For Acts 2:38 salvation is not inherent in performing a work but in believing in a conditional promise through fulfilling the condition of the promise and trusting that because I have fulfilled the condition, I have the promise.

"justbyfaith"