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I do believe that the referenced scripture means exactly what it says. It does convey one can be assured they will receive the Holy Ghost if they believe and obey the command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. However, this does not mean everyone automatically receives the Holy Ghost the moment they are obedient to the command. This truth is seen in the Gentile as well as Samaritan conversion experiences noted in scriptures. (Acts 10:43-48, 8:12-18)
Obedience to everything stated by Peter on the Day of Pentecost is necessary to acquire one's spiritual rebirth. (Acts 2:38-39)
Something many fail to notice in the Gentile conversion account is that Peter begins by telling the group that it is THROUGH HIS (Jesus) NAME that believers will have their sins are remitted. (verse 43) The experience of remitting sin did not occur until verse 48. Notice it is at that point Peter commands the group to submit to being water baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.
Acts 10:43-48
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Something many fail to notice in the Gentile conversion account is that Peter begins by telling the group that it is THROUGH HIS (Jesus) NAME that believers will have their sins are remitted. (verse 43) The experience of remitting sin did not occur until verse 48. Notice it is at that point Peter commands the group to submit to being water baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.
Acts 10:43-48
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Your assertion (bolded) is not supported by Scripture. Nothing in verse 48 (or anywhere else) suggests that remission of sins did not occur until verse 48. The Holy Spirit came on the gentiles in verse 44, which strongly suggests that their sins were remitted at that point, and not 'later' upon water baptism, or Peter's commanding thereof. Only when you hold an a priori belief that baptism is salvific can you conclude that verse 48 is the point of remission; such a view cannot be supported by this passage alone.
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Actually verse 43 mentions that it is THROUGH JESUS NAME that believers receive remission of sins.
Verse 48 - Peter commands the group be baptized in the name of the Lord. It is at that moment that verse 43 is fulfilled. This is a direct parallel to Peter's initial message given in Acts 2:38-39.
This truth is also seen in Ananias instruction to Paul in Acts 22:14-16. It is in obedience to God's command that everyone be water baptized that personal sins are washed away.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Verse 48 - Peter commands the group be baptized in the name of the Lord. It is at that moment that verse 43 is fulfilled. This is a direct parallel to Peter's initial message given in Acts 2:38-39.
This truth is also seen in Ananias instruction to Paul in Acts 22:14-16. It is in obedience to God's command that everyone be water baptized that personal sins are washed away.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Actually verse 43 mentions that it is THROUGH JESUS NAME that believers receive remission of sins. Elsewhere in scripture it is confirmed that in water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus that one's sins are remitted.
Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. This occurred on the Day of Pentecost as Jesus prophesied. (Luke 24:47)
Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. This occurred on the Day of Pentecost as Jesus prophesied. (Luke 24:47)
Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
says the one who would rather use the flawed english language which is lacking, vs the language the actual words were written in.
Which is more accurate? The English or the greek
Lets see your bias....
Negative, because remission of sin is singuar also.
The language does not allow it to be used as you see.
it does not work in any language
here let me give you a language lesson.
pronouns
1st person - I, me, my, mine (singular) we, us our ours (plural)
2nd person - You, Your, Your's (singular) You, Your, Yours (plural - In old english, use Ye instead of you for plural form of you)
3rd person - He, She, Him, Her, it (singular) They, Their, Them, Theirs (plural)
The word you is not even used 3rd person.
hence it would be like saying all of you repent. and let (him, her, it) be baptized.
My eyes are wide open. So much that I do not just look at a verse and make my belief fit that verse. I look at the whole picture. including the language used.
You need to take your own advice my friend
Which is more accurate? The English or the greek
Lets see your bias....
Negative, because remission of sin is singuar also.
The language does not allow it to be used as you see.
it does not work in any language
here let me give you a language lesson.
pronouns
1st person - I, me, my, mine (singular) we, us our ours (plural)
2nd person - You, Your, Your's (singular) You, Your, Yours (plural - In old english, use Ye instead of you for plural form of you)
3rd person - He, She, Him, Her, it (singular) They, Their, Them, Theirs (plural)
The word you is not even used 3rd person.
hence it would be like saying all of you repent. and let (him, her, it) be baptized.
My eyes are wide open. So much that I do not just look at a verse and make my belief fit that verse. I look at the whole picture. including the language used.
You need to take your own advice my friend
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