Saved by Water
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…when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Peter 3:20-21
- while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism
The antitype being the water which destroyed, now saves ( delivers) us…
“Antitype” being the opposite, as contrasted by “type”… that which once destroyed, now saves us.
By saying “now” the Spirit is indicating that which was past being a detriment, is now a benefit.
The action of obedience to God’s word, (the obedience of faith) is what saved, (delivered) Noahs household.
By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7
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It is saying that if water is the type, baptism is the antitype that is pointed to by the type.
That is what is meant by "antitype".
That is what is meant by "antitype".
In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).
*Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.
The Greek word “antitupon,” as used in I Peter 3:21, is “an adjective, used as a noun,” and denotes, in the NT, “a corresponding type,” being “said of baptism.” The circumstances of the flood, the ark and its occupants, formed a type, and baptism forms “a corresponding type.” Noah was saved by the ark “through (via) water.” Water was not the means of their salvation, but the ark. The ark is what both delivered and preserved them.
*Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.
The Greek word “antitupon,” as used in I Peter 3:21, is “an adjective, used as a noun,” and denotes, in the NT, “a corresponding type,” being “said of baptism.” The circumstances of the flood, the ark and its occupants, formed a type, and baptism forms “a corresponding type.” Noah was saved by the ark “through (via) water.” Water was not the means of their salvation, but the ark. The ark is what both delivered and preserved them.
Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html
Not so excellent; since it provides an alternate interpretation to that which is faithful and true; deterring people from taking the simple step that might procure for them remission of sins and the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38-39).
Remission of sins is signified, yet not procured in the waters of baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) The only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ implied in genuine repentance (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
There is no reason why anyone should reject being baptized in Jesus' Name if given the opportunity...
Especially since baptism in Jesus' Name is the condition given for a conditional promise in holy scripture...the promise being remission of sins and the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38-39).
Therefore if anyone desires remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost, let him seek out baptism in Jesus' Name;
For even if these things can be procured apart from baptism in Jesus' Name, they are guaranteed with baptism in Jesus' Name and I do not see them guaranteed by any other method.
Especially since baptism in Jesus' Name is the condition given for a conditional promise in holy scripture...the promise being remission of sins and the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38-39).
Therefore if anyone desires remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost, let him seek out baptism in Jesus' Name;
For even if these things can be procured apart from baptism in Jesus' Name, they are guaranteed with baptism in Jesus' Name and I do not see them guaranteed by any other method.
Agreed.
Incorrect. You overlooked the word "Repent".
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Um, no, they are not "guaranteed" with baptism. Don't read your own ideas into Scripture.
Further, the Gentiles in Acts 10 received the Holy Spirit before being baptized in water, which means your "conditional promise" is simply not valid in every case, therefore it is not a condition at all.
Act 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39, For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Yes, sometimes I do that. Point taken. I was focused on one aspect of it and did overlook one of the other aspects.
We have already discussed in this very thread the reality that in Acts 10 it was a transitional time in church history so that an exception to the rule of Acts 2:38-39 was made in order for Gentiles to be accepted into the body of Christ by the circumcision group.
In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ implied in genuine repentance (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ implied in genuine repentance (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
Phrase, 2nd person plural. -
Repent - 2nd person plural. And peter said to EVERYONE Repent.
YOU shall receive gift of the Holy Spirit - 2nd person Plural, the object of repent. ie, whoever repents will receive the gift of the spirit
Phrase, 3rd person Singular
Let every one of You be baptized - 3rd person singular - You being singular. Not spoken to the whole group. but spoken to a select group of people. Who are these people?
For the remission of sin - For (on account of, because, for you have received) remission of sin.
Water baptismal regenerationists love to use this passage in peter in an attempt to prove Peter demanded water baptism was required for salvation. However, the language used does not support this case.
Peter told EVERYONE top repent, And in doing so they would recieve a special gift. this gift was the HS.
He then to told who through repentance believed to be baptized. In the fact they had already received remission for sin.
this is proven also in the next verse. And they who believed where baptized..
It's not reasonable to take a single event (Acts 2), claim that is the "rule", and then say that a different single event is an exception and doesn't need to follow the rule. It's either a rule, or it isn't. I go with the latter.
Salvation has been the same since Adam.
Paul makes it clear. We are saved through the same faith Abraham had. The only difference is, we know the actual event God did. Abraham did not (the cross)
Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
Galatians 3:7-9
Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.