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[Pilgrimshope]

OH, Chastisement! That's a big word.
God chastises his children all the time but not all draw back to him. Some continue to go astray and perish for their ignorance.

Once a son, always a son?

a son is disciplined by the father for the purpose of increasing him teaching him the right ways to go the ways by which he shall surely live preparing him to receive the inheritance

a servant is punished for his wrongs without the intent of bringing him to the inheritance he works for a wage but the son is heir of the estate which the servant is employed by.

some take correction as an evil thing because they are within themself and cannot see , sons love the father and trust his hand of rebuke that it is for their good and meant to keep thier life .

While others hide and murmor “ it’s not love to correct the wayward son and call him home

 

[SophieT]

So sin should not be part of those things that should pass away?

yes

in Christ God sees us as sinless...righteous, meaning we are in right standing with God

in the flesh, we will still sin sometimes

do you have scripture that states otherwise? why did Christ have to die if we can become sinless as we imagine that to be

again...perhaps you would like to address the following I already asked you...you cannot expect others to simply follow your lead and your quips. that, is not a discussion

so

are you yet holy? sinless? shining with the glory of God like Moses? you never sin?

how can we come before God if we are not these things ?

 

[SophieT]

While others hide and murmor “ it’s not love to correct the wayward son and call him home

who has said that in this forum?

if you cannot actually supply the person or persons who say those things, then it is a false accusation

do you have proof of what you say or are you just being melodramatic and fudging for emphasis?

 

[Blain]

Sure, OSAS is harmless to the person who understands habitual, known, deliberate, presumptuous sin is unacceptable to God and continues to pray, "not my will, but Thine, Lord".

But, let's not pretend the vast majority of OSAS people aren't using it as a License to keep doing that which they know full well they shouldn't, and have no intention of repenting from it. They're prayers are essentially, "Sometimes my will, sometimes Your will, Lord".

At the mere suggestion of obedience and Christian "reasonable service", they're ready to fight to the death. What does that tell us about most OSAS adherents?

There are many osas believers here in cc in the war that went on here in cc between those who were for it and those who were against it one side made the claim you are making and those who who for it were saying the exact same thing I am saying this basis that people use it to do as they please is an empty one what evidence do you have to stand on? Can name anyone in cc who believes this? Can you apart from some preacher on t.v. name one osas believer who uses it as a excuse to sin? if you have no evidence to make such a claim then you are just stating your own opinion not a fact

 

[SophieT]

There are many osas believers here in cc in the war that went on here in cc between those who were for it and those who were against it one side made the claim you are making and those who who for it were saying the exact same thing I am saying this basis that people use it to do as they please is an empty one what evidence do you have to stand on? Can name anyone in cc who believes this? Can you apart from some preacher on t.v. name one osas believer who uses it as a excuse to sin? if you have no evidence to make such a claim then you are just stating your own opinion not a fact

having survived that particular occurrence, the war of opinions and misunderstandings and talking at instead of to each other some years back, I would suggest that in many cases those who say OSAS are in fact believing that as they are sealed at salvation, and as God does keep us, and the Holy Spirit indwells the believer, that they believe they cannot loose what God has given

I don't think it particularly useful to argue over OSAS because you will find believers on both sides of that boulevard who are equal in passion and desire to follow Christ and understand that continued sinful living is outside the witness of a Christian and who will adjust their behavior accordingly

In fact, the Holy Spirit gives us the power to live for Christ and actually changes our desires as we continue to walk in Him

the emphasis on sin being made in this thread is not the new life we are promised in Christ. further, if one has their eyes on Jesus, how can they continue to sin as though they did not know Him?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

who has said that in this forum?

if you cannot actually supply the person or persons who say those things, then it is a false accusation

do you have proof of what you say or are you just being melodramatic and fudging for emphasis?

I’m not talking about you or anyone in this forum was responding to someone who made a good point about doctrine you should try to
Not get offended constantly

 

[Blain]

I think you are having this misunderstanding with the OP because you are focusing on the how not to sin instead of discussing the subject matter of his post which dwells on the need for believers not to sin. We can discuss the how on another thread while we concentrate here on the OP. Just my thought.

Perhaps but judging from his previous thread on his previous account about being sinless and without sin then makes a new account after ebing banned and then his first thread is about not sinning I put two and two together and it didn't look good, he is not the type to discuss things either you agree with him or he attacks you he said I wasn't a child of God because I disagreed with him.

Sin works like a poison it slowly infects you so yes it is important to not sin this I agree with however those obsessed with sin instead of love have fogotten what is important that was the point I kept trying to make to him. I do not believe one can be completely without sin we are still human even with the holy spirit but we can strive for perfection so long as we do it with love in our hearts, love is the key it changes how we think how strong we become in him how we see things it molds our very hearts minds and soul the more of his love we have in us the more we become like him thus the less we sin and it is important that we don't because it is like alcholhal at first you don't feel anything then after a while it hits you hard then you black out.

 

[SophieT]

here is a post from infinite that indicates he cannot actually define or express what a Christian is: (thread)

Christianity is simply the religion of those people who follow or profess to follow God as declared by Jesus Christ.

It could also mean the Christian character or quality, for Christians must be known by their character as Christians. They must be known by their Christianity.

he also declares that he was born a Christian and has remained a Christian (bio personal page)

no one is born a Christian. Christianity is not defined as a religion except by those who view it as such

so, perhaps we should ask you infinite, how does a person become a Christian?

 

[PennEd]

Is this really necessary? just asking.

Is this really necessary?
just asking.

 

[SophieT]

Sin works like a poison it slowly infects you so yes it is important to not sin this I agree with however those obsessed with sin instead of love have fogotten what is important

the emphasis for holiness is concerned with God's holiness; not His love even though all that He does is because He is love

when we are believers, God does see us as sinless but only through Christ. in other words, our spirits have been created after the new man...Jesus. the Bible is explicit that is the only way that is acceptable to God

it does not matter how many times a person quits here or is banned here....or what their name is. there is only one thing that is important and that is that they understand that Jesus alone is the way to God

I know you know this. God's love is not emotional in the sense it is as we might consider it...love in this case is a verb...an action, such as 'For God so love the world He did something about it and sent His only Son to die in our place.

we can strive for perfection so long as we do it with love in our hearts,

well no Blain. we will never achieve what God demands. please understand that is what scripture teaches

all the love in the world will not change another...only God's salvation through Christ will have that effect

 

[RichMan]

I am going to ask a couple of questions I am sure will not be answered.
Did David lose his salvation when committed adultery with Bathsheba?
Did Peter lose his salvation when he denied Jesus?
A what point does a person lose his salvation? Can you know that point?
Surely if salvation can be lost, there must be a point stated in Scripture that one would know.

 

[Blain]

having survived that particular occurrence, the war of opinions and misunderstandings and talking at instead of to each other some years back, I would suggest that in many cases those who say OSAS are in fact believing that as they are sealed at salvation, and as God does keep us, and the Holy Spirit indwells the believer, that they believe they cannot loose what God has given

I don't think it particularly useful to argue over OSAS because you will find believers on both sides of that boulevard who are equal in passion and desire to follow Christ and understand that continued sinful living is outside the witness of a Christian and who will adjust their behavior accordingly

In fact, the Holy Spirit gives us the power to live for Christ and actually changes our desires as we continue to walk in Him

the emphasis on sin being made in this thread is not the new life we are promised in Christ. further, if one has their eyes on Jesus, how can they continue to sin as though they did not know Him?

Ah a fellow veteran cudos to you for surviving and still staying it was indeed brutal. I think we can try to reason with people but in the end people don't tend to change their minds over things like this I don't know where the idea stems from that people use osas to do as they please to be honest I have no respect for anyone who disrespect God's grace like that and they clearly have no respect for God if they do this but maybe there are people are out there who this fine but it isn't fair to lump osas believers as a whole together with a few bad apples like that.

I mean I could very well do the same for those who believer in the sinless perfection doctrine that I so greatly disagree with I have met many who preach that doctrine who quite frankly have been arrogant and disrespectful I could lump all who teach this as that kind of person but I have also met and know a few who I respect one of which I have spoken to very recently in this thread.

Perhaps we must learn to understand that not all can understand that minority does not equal majority

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Perhaps but judging from his previous thread on his previous account about being sinless and without sin then makes a new account after ebing banned and then his first thread is about not sinning I put two and two together and it didn't look good, he is not the type to discuss things either you agree with him or he attacks you he said I wasn't a child of God because I disagreed with him.

Sin works like a poison it slowly infects you so yes it is important to not sin this I agree with however those obsessed with sin instead of love have fogotten what is important that was the point I kept trying to make to him. I do not believe one can be completely without sin we are still human even with the holy spirit but we can strive for perfection so long as we do it with love in our hearts, love is the key it changes how we think how strong we become in him how we see things it molds our very hearts minds and soul the more of his love we have in us the more we become like him thus the less we sin and it is important that we don't because it is like alcholhal at first you don't feel anything then after a while it hits you hard then you black out.

“Sin works like a poison it slowly infects you so yes it is important to not sin this I agree with however those obsessed with sin instead of love have fogotten what is important”

“But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s an important matter I think is why it’s important to some to get away from it it leads to the death of the soul of we don’t recognize what it is

like you do recognize it’s destructive power. It’s a good thing to discuss sin and the truth that it’s death still

there’s a balance we should come to with the focus on Jesus and the gospel that’s where we learn to love truly , but part of the message is that sin is death so we can’t keep partaking of it

I don’t think it’s an obsession but just sort of a truth God has made known. If we really understood and believed that sin will destroy our soul I don’t think many of us would continue on in those things freely and would develope a healthy recognition that we need to repent truly repentance is a main theme of the gospel king with sin being remitted through repentance

“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To understand repentance we have to understand sin and it’s deadly effects

 

[SophieT]

Ah a fellow veteran cudos to you for surviving and still staying it was indeed brutal. I think we can try to reason with people but in the end people don't tend to change their minds over things like this I don't know where the idea stems from that people use osas to do as they please to be honest I have no respect for anyone who disrespect God's grace like that and they clearly have no respect for God if they do this but maybe there are people are out there who this fine but it isn't fair to lump osas believers as a whole together with a few bad apples like that.

I mean I could very well do the same for those who believer in the sinless perfection doctrine that I so greatly disagree with I have met many who preach that doctrine who quite frankly have been arrogant and disrespectful I could lump all who teach this as that kind of person but I have also met and know a few who I respect one of which I have spoken to very recently in this thread.

Perhaps we must learn to understand that not all can understand that minority does not equal majority

well things were said that were untrue on both sides of the matter

I will say though, that no one declared themselves to be sinless unlike what we are seeing lately around the forums. for that matter, no one pushed the doctrine of sin either

there are some teachers that do gloss over sin or teach that all sin is forgiven including those you have yet to participate in, like Prince, but my particular gripe was when someone started posting that the prayer Jesus gave to the disciples as an example of how to pray was no longer valid. that was a bridge too far for most I think

 

[Blain]

well things were said that were untrue on both sides of the matter

I will say though, that no one declared themselves to be sinless unlike what we are seeing lately around the forums. for that matter, no one pushed the doctrine of sin either

there are some teachers that do gloss over sin or teach that all sin is forgiven including those you have yet to participate in, like Prince, but my particular gripe was when someone started posting that the prayer Jesus gave to the disciples as an example of how to pray was no longer valid. that was a bridge too far for most I think

I'm sorry someone said what now?!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Once a son, always a son?

Of course. If you are your father's son, nothing can change that. Similarly if one is a child of God nothing can change that, since no one can be "unborn". Even little children understand these elementary truths. A genuine Christian is a child of God, and therefore must live like one. If someone is not living soberly, righteously, and godly, then that person is NOT a child of God. He or she may claim to be "Christian" but that is self-deception.

Since OSAS has come up, let's call it a misnomer. The correct term is "the eternal security of the believer" (not the pretender). The Bible is very clear that every child of God is eternally secure in Christ. No one "loses" their salvation, since those who seem to do so were never saved to begin with. And Paul even called the carnal among the Corinthians "saints" (sanctified ones): Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Just ignore "to be" which is in italics but not in the text. "Called saints" is what Paul said/

 

[SophieT]

To understand repentance we have to understand sin and it’s deadly effects

we know the deadly effects

we found out about them in Genesis and on the journey from Egypt to the Promised Land

we seem to be missing the cure for all of that though, in these sin threads that offer nothing but condemnation and judgement to people who believe they are just a sinner saved by grace

that is not what scripture teaches and would be interesting to discuss why certain individuals seem to have an almost pathological need to discuss sin in all its various flavors

where is the new man? floundering in sin? where are the righteous in Christ? did that seal somehow slip off?

“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

right. so people will accept Christ. not so that they can be reminded of what rotten sinners they are day after day after day

no wonder there are so many unhappy faces in all these so called 'holiness' churches. that kind of holiness is FAKE holiness

the outward expression of our salvation should be a countenance that illustrates the love of God and not the fear of punishment

I could write a book, but we already have a book. concentrating on only one thing, creates cultish behavior IMO

 

[Blain]

“Sin works like a poison it slowly infects you so yes it is important to not sin this I agree with however those obsessed with sin instead of love have fogotten what is important”

“But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s an important matter I think is why it’s important to some to get away from it it leads to the death of the soul of we don’t recognize what it is

like you do recognize it’s destructive power. It’s a good thing to discuss sin and the truth that it’s death still

there’s a balance we should come to with the focus on Jesus and the gospel that’s where we learn to love truly , but part of the message is that sin is death so we can’t keep partaking of it

I don’t think it’s an obsession but just sort of a truth God has made known. If we really understood and believed that sin will destroy our soul I don’t think many of us would continue on in those things freely and would develope a healthy recognition that we need to repent truly repentance is a main theme of the gospel king with sin being remitted through repentance

“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To understand repentance we have to understand sin and it’s deadly effects

I think if done correctly it would be good edification and again I think you would be a good fit for it. I am not a teacher I don't think I have that gift I also am not good at organizing scriptures like you are which would be important for such a thread

 

[SophieT]

it's almost as if you have to beat the truth out of people

maybe we should flog ourselves or become ascetics so avoid the wrath of God

that is the conclusion someone might come to if all they read was about sin and punishment

since we cannot just stop sinning with never a sin again, then surely there must be an answer if God expects holiness

you would think

 

[SophieT]

I think if done correctly it would be good edification and again I think you would be a good fit for it. I am not a teacher I don't think I have that gift I also am not good at organizing scriptures like you are which would be important for such a thread

you know I started a thread about how God views us...He does not view us as a sinner in Christ

pilgrim there, inserted himself and posted only about sin...basically wiped out the thread and put it on another course

how many more of his sin threads do you think we need?

never mind

smh