You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!

[Evmur]

Most buy satan's lie that that repeated sins are fine. They call it comforting lies for a reason.

i know no one will watch the 13 minute video --- but i really wish you would, it got me to write these notes:


What are you Saved from? Are you Saved from any sins at all or do you keep doing them?

Most walk up to The Cross but never get on IT!

Are you dead IN sin -- or are you dead TO sin?

Did your spiritual life change at all after you were "Saved" or did you just continue in your normal way of life?

If you are not using JESUS to stop repeated sins -- then why do you think anything happened? Why do you think you are Covered in His Blood?

Do you think CHRIST is in you right now?

The goal is to have a living relationship with Him. Do you want Him to know you?

Matthew 7:21-23​

21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants. 22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’ 23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’​

If you are in CHRIST -- you are a new Creation -- do you think that happened for you?

If your instinct is to find ways to excuse sin -- ask yourself if you are really Saved.

An experience of GOD that costs nothing, does nothing. GOD in your life means you give this world up.

Exhortation is good, encouragement, building up, strengthening, comforting the brethren [sisteren] even rebuking when need be.

Don't go knocking people's teeth out or seeking to chop their heads off.

The best way to help people is by teaching good doctrines that will give them a firm ground on which to stand against their foe.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Acknowledging that Christians will sin is NOT the same as saying that Christians should revel in sin.

Why do some people NOT get that??

 

[Blain]

Acknowledging that Christians will sin is NOT the same as saying that Christians should revel in sin.

Why do some people NOT get that??

This is a great mystery isn't it?

 

[Magenta]

This is a great mystery isn't it?

Not really. They are simply high on their horse holier-than-thou hypocrites LOL.

From James 4

 

[RichMan]

New account. Check.

Been here 5 minutes, no introduction, just start a contentious thread, and post the SAME stuff as the guy who got banned yesterday. Check

Now let’s see how sinless you really are.
Have you EVER posted on this site, under a different name before today?

I am thinking he has 3 accounts.
Two have been banned while a third offers encouragement by agreeing with him.

 

[Isaskar]

I like it how on a Christian forum anyone who comes in and preaches even a bit of righteousness with no "but we all mess up doe, nobody perfect doe" sprinkled on top they get banned lol.

Christian forums in 2022. Im out.

Christianity is the only faith that has abandoned the teachings of its founder, Jesus. They worship a god Jesus never knew (trinity) nor the jews, nor the disciples, and preach a message they never preached, very rarely do we hear anything about the kingdom of God, we just hear "accept Jesus into your life" which is absent from the NT. Instead they have merchandised the gospel into american diet version.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Acknowledging that Christians will sin is NOT the same as saying that Christians should revel in sin.

Why do some people NOT get that??

It should be obvious - but the lad clearly got banned and so seeing as this is his wake - I say he was a terribly good egg - just that he forgot to commend himself to the venerable Ravenhill - hence he will have to be buried at Sea.

Lord, we do in all humility and with reasonable and sound mind commit the departing of that dog from Pittsburg to the ocean and ask Lord, nay cry out Lord with tears of unfathomable distress - make it deep O Lord. Amen.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes we should make it a point to not sin that goes without saying however there also is a line to not cross when it become more important to you than the love of God then that is when it becomes an obsession and has the oposite effect. you have seen it preached and debated on the matter of grace and living in it while also not using it as an excuse to sin this is because those who go by this theology understand how grace actually works and do not live by their fleshly lusts however when they do fall short as all do at some point they know they are forgiven and move forwards.

The same goes for not sinniing if I fall short which I will I know I am forgiven yes I try not to sin by I live in his love I keep my intimacy with him my priority that is the key my method for not sinning if my focus is on him my focus is not on the things of the flesh

yeah sin is the opposite of everything God Wills for mankind and righteousness is the opposite of everything Satan wills for mankind

we shouldn’t focus on sin I agree but when someone brings up not sinning it shouldn’t become an issue everyone should agree with not sinning

we shouldn’t pretend it’s just part of who we are and no one ever really repents and that Jesus leaves us as we were before and that he doesn’t actually set us free from serving sin ect

my only real position is that it’s all true and should all be acceptable

if we are loving people Gods way we wo t be sinning against anyone but if we’re sinning we aren’t actually loving anyone Gods way is the thing

if I’m lying to you , cheating you , committing violence against you , robbing and stealing from you ect I can’t also say I love you sin and right living are opposite contrary is the thing

we should have the focus on Christ and the gospel what he said that will bring us out of serving sin and into the righteousness of God but he does say if we don’t repent we will Perish . Just as paul says and John says

it’s part of the doctrine it’s not all of the doctrine but it’s true and part of the biblical message and shouldn’t create issue of anyone brings up repenting Of sin or actually change gong our ways is all I’m saying we should take in and believe it all

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you think you have Life if JESUS isn't Reigning over you? Do you think you have live if JESUS isn't in you?

1 John 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

... by the way I am sure that you are one of God's chosen ....

there’s instruction for the elect In scripture the term elect should be considered among the word

“Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:5-16‬ ‭KJV‬

If we are to claim we have our on the new man made in the image of Christ we can’t keep Living like we used to we have to really be the elect me look for true righteousness and holiness at times it’s a good thing to acknolwedge

 

[RichMan]

there’s instruction for the elect In scripture the term elect should be considered among the word

“Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:5-16‬ ‭KJV‬

If we are to claim we have our on the new man made in the image of Christ we can’t keep Living like we used to we have to really be the elect me look for true righteousness and holiness at times it’s a good thing to acknolwedge

Why do you continue to agree with, support and defend a person that makes false accusations against people he does not know while he continues to state he lives without sin?

 

[Blain]

yeah sin is the opposite of everything God Wills for mankind and righteousness is the opposite of everything Satan wills for mankind

we shouldn’t focus on sin I agree but when someone brings up not sinning it shouldn’t become an issue everyone should agree with not sinning

we shouldn’t pretend it’s just part of who we are and no one ever really repents and that Jesus leaves us as we were before and that he doesn’t actually set us free from serving sin ect

my only real position is that it’s all true and should all be acceptable

if we are loving people Gods way we wo t be sinning against anyone but if we’re sinning we aren’t actually loving anyone Gods way is the thing

if I’m lying to you , cheating you , committing violence against you , robbing and stealing from you ect I can’t also say I love you sin and right living are opposite contrary is the thing

we should have the focus on Christ and the gospel what he said that will bring us out of serving sin and into the righteousness of God but he does say if we don’t repent we will Perish . Just as paul says and John says

it’s part of the doctrine it’s not all of the doctrine but it’s true and part of the biblical message and shouldn’t create issue of anyone brings up repenting Of sin or actually change gong our ways is all I’m saying we should take in and believe it all

This is why I focus on love, our focus will decide how we act how we think how we feel everything we do. if our focus is on God's love if our hearts are filled with it then sin will not even be on our radar, I couldn't get overcome to understand this his focus was on sin not God's love his way of going about it was condemning not encouraging or building.
We are to build and edify the church not tear it down he did not speak in love nor did he edify he spoke only in his own voice and only liked you because you agreed with him everyone else he looked down upon he said he heard the voice of satan from me he was not fit to be preaching this doctrine, you however have a good head on your shoulders you can speak without condemnation you know how to debate without mockery or insults perhaps you should start a thread and teach this doctrine the correct way.

For instance repeated sin does mean sin in general or sin against others does it mean that we must be without sin or does it mean we must strive to not repeat our mistakes

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you think you have Life if JESUS isn't Reigning over you? Do you think you have live if JESUS isn't in you?

1 John 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

some people are here in thier knowledge of Jesus Christ

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:14-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we become seedlings just sprouting up and then later we receive the things that cause repentance and growth but we don’t want to forget about the beginning what made us come to life is to believe in Jesus.

The reference Jesus made there to his own self is a reference to Moses making the bronze serpent it was to save them from the consequences of thier sin against God in the desert .

he had sent deadly vipers among them to kill them and later they relented and Moses was told to
Make the serpent so that when they were bitten and would die they could instead look upon the serpent Moses made and held up on the pole and t be would live even though they had been bitten by the vipers that came for their sins to kill them

when we grow and mature we can’t forget about the place we began or condemn anyone else who’s there

seedlings have to get rooted strong before they will bear fruit as they get stronger God will bring us along we don’t want to harm the faith of others and call thier belief in the sufficiency of Christ to save them into question

we want to build upon that true and reliable foundation so as not to crack the foundation and weaken the house we’re building upon it

it’s a process of faith hearing and believing the gospel some are yet babes we don’t want to harm the babes but want to feed them solid food when the time comes but it’s milk on the menu for
Many yet

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Why do you continue to agree with, support and defend a person that makes false accusations against people he does not know while he continues to state he lives without sin?

the same reason I look to support anyone in Christ. I’m no ones judge and I’m not looking to bring people down who are escaping from sin , or club people over the head who haven’t arrived there yet

if you wish to be his enemy that’s up to you im not looking to be anyone’s enemy. If you guys don’t want to speak to him simply don’t there’s even an ignore button if what he’s saying offends you it doesn’t offend me I realize people all have things to grow in whether we think too highly of our self or whether we think we’re still servants of sin

I’m no ones judge so I’ll keep communicating with anyone who doesn’t request that I don’t speak to them and let everyone else choose who they wish to speak to

 

[RichMan]

the same reason I look to support anyone in Christ. I’m no ones judge and I’m not looking to bring people down who are escaping from sin , or club people over the head who haven’t arrived there yet

if you wish to be his enemy that’s up to you im not looking to be anyone’s enemy. If you guys don’t want to speak to him simply don’t there’s even an ignore button if what he’s saying offends you it doesn’t offend me I realize people all have things to grow in whether we think too highly of our self or whether we think we’re still servants of sin

I’m no ones judge so I’ll keep communicating with anyone who doesn’t request that I don’t speak to them and let everyone else choose who they wish to speak to

I do not see Jesus approving of his false statements about others and even his own supposed sinless life.
The Scripture states that God hates a liar and he has demonstrated that he is.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is why I focus on love, our focus will decide how we act how we think how we feel everything we do. if our focus is on God's love if our hearts are filled with it then sin will not even be on our radar, I couldn't get overcome to understand this his focus was on sin not God's love his way of going about it was condemning not encouraging or building.
We are to build and edify the church not tear it down he did not speak in love nor did he edify he spoke only in his own voice and only liked you because you agreed with him everyone else he looked down upon he said he heard the voice of satan from me he was not fit to be preaching this doctrine, you however have a good head on your shoulders you can speak without condemnation you know how to debate without mockery or insults perhaps you should start a thread and teach this doctrine the correct way.

For instance repeated sin does mean sin in general or sin against others does it mean that we must be without sin or does it mean we must strive to not repeat our mistakes

yeah it’s good to focus in the right things to do good to focus on Gods love that Christ teaches us to live in . It’s also good to have the understanding that we aren’t supposed to ignore our deeds and pretend they aren’t applicable whether good or bad.

if this wasn’t from the Holy Spirit it wouldn’t be so prevalent in the New Testament

“Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s good to focus on actually loving people in deed and truth in our actions . But Sin is of the devil it’s his Will . it’s not wrong to accept that part it’s not taboo to discuss it , it shouldn’t offend people it should edify us and change our thinking to agreement with the apostles my only point is that it’s all one doctrine it all works together to change the mind of Christians and a tree what brings us out of sin

as long as we don’t recognize that sin is still death we’re going to allow for it to persist

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I do not see Jesus approving of his false statements about others and even his own supposed sinless life.
The Scripture states that God hates a liar and he has demonstrated that he is.

well that’s your judgement so why are you still worrying about it ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Isn't Righteousness the opposite of sin? How can you not be focused on both equally? You would be Righteous because you are against sin. What is with these word games?

Do you think Repenting works if you didn't mean it? Like you willfully repeated sin?

to focus on righteousness is what puts sin away . To focus on sin is what keeps it alive . This doesn’t mean we shouldnt talk about it and know it’s deadly for us but the way to be free is simple

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭

what he’s saying is focus here

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-33, 35-39, 41-43, 45-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s teaching Gods way of righteousness the way to overcome sins grip is to focus on the author and finisher of salvation and the truth of Gods word . Sin will die if we take up righteousness and recognize sin is poisonous to our soul

this bekng said it’s not wrong to discuss what the New Testament says about sin and death and serving the devils Will that’s all good and true doctrine and needs to be let into the thinking of Christians

but it shouldnt be the focus it’s like fighting with a dead man we just need to let it be buried if we hold it up and make it relevant it gives sin power over us keeps it alive we want to change our minds to Christ and his word that will achieve what needs to be done

 

[Phoneman-777]

If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness, If we say we have not sinned we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

My little children these things write I unto you that ye sin not. And if any man sin we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous and He is the propitiation for our sins and not for our sins only but also for the sins of the whole world.

I believe in victorious living, we will only overcome by knowing that sin is forever defeated.

Donald Trump once said he didn't have any sins for which to seek forgiveness. I think we can all agree that's not the case. Why take a verse, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves" - intended to address Trump and the many like him who are "in" the church but not "of" the church, and twist it into a cover for willful disobedience?

We don't overcome by "knowing", but by "choosing" - to deny ourselves, take up our Cross daily, and follow Christ.

Christianity has gotten to the place where Christians forsake the armor of God, march to the battlefield naked shouting "more than conquerors!" but get their butts handed to them every time Satan's fiery darts of temptation fly.

 

[SophieT]

Donald Trump once said he didn't have any sins for which to seek forgiveness. I think we can all agree that's not the case. Why take a verse, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves" - intended to address Trump and the many like him who are "in" the church but not "of" the church, and twist it into a cover for willful disobedience?

We don't overcome by "knowing", but by "choosing" - to deny ourselves, take up our Cross daily, and follow Christ.

Christianity has gotten to the place where Christians forsake the armor of God, march to the battlefield naked shouting "more than conquerors!" but get their butts handed to them every time Satan's fiery darts of temptation fly.

yeah

only John was not writing to unbelievers. He was writing to Christians

I am curious though. do you count yourself among all those Christians without armor or are you giving everyone else what for again, while standing on an observation deck from miles away

 

[Phoneman-777]

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I’ve repeated sins while repenting deeply it became a hideous feeling which is what ended up setting me free

after that point I’m with ya I won’t ever go back to that feeling of knowingly sinning

the thing I think we should all consider is this part

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re all at a different place in what we know so the only judgement we can really have is on our own sins. And it doesn’t seem Impossible to do what you know is right ?

when we think in terms of the ot we’re doing a disservice to ourselves but if we think in terms of repentance and remission of sins becoming disciples who are constantly growing in knowledge it’s not that hard to do what you know in your heart and mind is the right thing.

that’s a pretty big difference because most people do what they know is right. It’s when we’re doing what we know is sinful and refuse to change our mind out it not being an issue that we’re willfully sinning

we have to know first before sin is taken into account and again it’s not that hard to follow the thkngs you know are right. It’s simply about acknowledging what God said is right within so we can be. Roughy ton to at place of terror and hideous feeling knowing we are serving the Will of Satan and not God

sin is a personal Matter now according to what we ourselves know of righteousness and sin . The more we know it raises the bar of our judgement

The Just Man wets his pillow with tears at night begging God for power to overcome shameful habits, and eventually does...there's inexhaustible mercy to cover that Just Man.

However, the Presumptuous Man with his OSAS License to Sin who not only refuses to "confess" and "forsake" his sin, but intends to carry them up to the moment he enters the pearly gates is in danger of waking up in the wrong resurrection.