Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[brightfame52]

Justified by His Blood !

Justified by His Blood ! Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood[Knowing it by Faith], we shall be saved from wrath through him.

This is one verse the adversaries of Truth cannot deny, even though they do, which is that those Christ died for are Justified by His Blood or by His Death, and that while they have no faith. For Christ's Blood that Justified them was shed for them before they had being in themselves, but being the foreknown of God; And what was His Blood shed for or because of ? Why for their sins 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And He died for their sins before they had a actual being, so they were Justified before God from all their sins before they had an actual being, and so Justified by His Blood. It does not matter how this Truth is opposed, for the Resurrection of Christ from the dead, after dying for their sins, evidences or confirmed their Justification before God , by His Blood or Death Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

YLT who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous.

That's an excellent Translation and agrees with OT scripture Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

ESV Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities.

This is Justification by His Blood Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Understand this, one for whom Christ died for in 33 ad, was Justified by His Blood then, though they may not have yet been given Faith to know it or realize it until 1958, when they believed. Their act of believing did not change what was already done and evidenced by Christ's Resurrection, their Justification by the Blood in 33 ad, and to say otherwise is to lie against the Truth, to bear false witness.

 

[brightfame52]

There's a reason you rip verses from the context ...


Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive


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Theres a reason why a scripture is in the context, so again

According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?

 

[brightfame52]

Again ... the only "truth" in your posts are the few verses from Scripture scattered here and there. I believe the Scripture verses ...


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Your adversity is against scripture. Watch. How were these believers Paul wrote to redeemed from the curse of the Law according to Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

 

[brightfame52]

Justified through Redemption !

That one or those whom Christ died, that by His Death alone [apart from any act of the one died for] they are declared Justified before God before they believe, or even before they physically exist, this is true because by His Blood alone they were Redeemed, and through this very Redemption they were freely Justified . Eph 1:7

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

Rom 3:24-25

24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

That word freely in Vs 24 is the greek word dōrean and means:

freely, undeservedly

The word is translated without cause here Jn 15:25

But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

Also the word undeserved gives the connotation that instead of deserving, we actually were in a state that deserved God's displeasure and wrath at the time He declared us Justified, we were blamable and unbefitting, reprehensible.

That's why Paul says that He Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

Now Faith in His Blood is a by product or outcome of Redemption through His Blood and the Faith is the means by which God reveals the Justification to the redeemed one ! 6

 

[reneweddaybyday]

the Resurrection of Christ from the dead, after dying for their sins, evidences or confirmed their Justification before God

Nope. The resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead is evidence that the grave could not hold Him

Acts 2:24 Whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he [the Lord Jesus Christ] should be holden of it [death].

If the grave had held the Lord Jesus Christ, the whole of Scripture would be broken because God made promise and God's promise must come to pass:

Psalm 16:8-10 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

These verses in Psalm 16:8-10 are reiterated in Acts 2:25-27 and they give the reason why it was not possible that the Lord Jesus Christ should be held in the grave. The Father would not allow His Holy One to see corruption.

Additionally, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself had told His disciples that He would be raised from the dead:

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

If the Lord Jesus Christ had not been raised from the dead, He would be a liar and the whole of Scripture fails.


Quit making everything in Scripture about yourself. Focus on the primary Subject of Scripture … which is Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Until you take your focus off of yourself and/or mankind in general, you will never understand Scripture and you will have a veil on your heart. Because you have a veil on your heart, you will turn to whatever wind of doctrine catches your fancy:

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Their act of believing did not change what was already done and evidenced by Christ's Resurrection, their Justification by the Blood in 33 ad, and to say otherwise is to lie against the Truth, to bear false witness.

Inasmuch as Scripture clearly states that mankind is justified by faith, you're actually arguing the incorrect point …

The unbelief of some does not negate God's eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Here are some of the verses which indicate mankind is justified by faith:

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Romans 3: 25-26 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 4:4-5 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:24-25 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romams 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith …


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[reneweddaybyday]

Theres a reason why a scripture is in the context,

There's a reason you refuse to include the context within which the verse sits? so again, why do you rip verses from context?

Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)

so again
According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?

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[reneweddaybyday]

they are declared Justified before God before they believe

nope

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Romans 3: 25-26 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 4:4-5 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:24-25 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romams 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith …

That word freely in Vs 24 is the greek word dōrean and means:

freely, undeservedly

Since it is clear from Scripture that salvation is purely grace on the part of God and, furthermore, God very specifically tells us we are justified through faith (Rom 5:1) and that faith is not works (Rom 4:1-5), why do you continue to oppose what is written in Scripture?

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[brightfame52]

Nope. The resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead is evidence that the grave could not hold Him

Acts 2:24 Whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he [the Lord Jesus Christ] should be holden of it [death].

If the grave had held the Lord Jesus Christ, the whole of Scripture would be broken because God made promise and God's promise must come to pass:

Psalm 16:8-10 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

These verses in Psalm 16:8-10 are reiterated in Acts 2:25-27 and they give the reason why it was not possible that the Lord Jesus Christ should be held in the grave. The Father would not allow His Holy One to see corruption.

Additionally, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself had told His disciples that He would be raised from the dead:

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

If the Lord Jesus Christ had not been raised from the dead, He would be a liar and the whole of Scripture fails.


Quit making everything in Scripture about yourself. Focus on the primary Subject of Scripture … which is Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Until you take your focus off of yourself and/or mankind in general, you will never understand Scripture and you will have a veil on your heart. Because you have a veil on your heart, you will turn to whatever wind of doctrine catches your fancy:

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.




Inasmuch as Scripture clearly states that mankind is justified by faith, you're actually arguing the incorrect point …

The unbelief of some does not negate God's eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Here are some of the verses which indicate mankind is justified by faith:

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Romans 3: 25-26 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 4:4-5 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:24-25 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romams 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith …


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You deny the evidence, witness of the resurrection of Christ Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

who was betrayed and crucified because of our sins, and was raised [from the dead] because of our justification [our acquittal—absolving us of all sin before God].AMP

 

[brightfame52]

There's a reason you refuse to include the context within which the verse sits? so again, why do you rip verses from context?

Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)

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When you refuse to listen to a scripture in any given context, you refuse the voice of scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

nope

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Romans 3: 25-26 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 4:4-5 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:24-25 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romams 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith …





Since it is clear from Scripture that salvation is purely grace on the part of God and, furthermore, God very specifically tells us we are justified through faith (Rom 5:1) and that faith is not works (Rom 4:1-5), why do you continue to oppose what is written in Scripture?

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Yes, the resurrection of Christ was before they believed, and the resurrection of Christ declares sinners Christ died for Justified.

 

[oyster67]

This is more conditionalism, works salvation conditioned on man !

All I have been doing is quoting Bible verses. You are the one who has been calling it "works salvation". It is actually faith salvation. The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

 

[brightfame52]

All I have been doing is quoting Bible verses. You are the one who has been calling it "works salvation". It is actually faith salvation. The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Yes you condition Justification before God based on your believing , am I correct ? Quoting scripture doesnt help you if you dont understand them.

 

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You deny the evidence, witness of the resurrection of Christ

nope ... I believe in my heart that God raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.

Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

oh my ... you have to rip Romans 10:9-10 out of your Bible because of your errant dogma.


I also believe that the Lord Jesus Christ ascended up into heaven and is now seated at the right Hand of God ... far above all principality, and power, and might and dominion and every name that is named not only in this world but also in that which is to come.

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the resurrection of Christ was before they believed

So? You think God forgot that when He wrote all the verses concerning justification through faith and that faith is not works?

Your continuous yammering about faith being "works" ... that's just you not believing Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

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[brightfame52]

Rom 4:8 ; 2 Cor 5:19 Non Imputation !

Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

All those whom God does not Charge with sin or impute with sin , are Justified from sin, freed from sin because their sins were charged to Christ, and Paul writes in Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So Non Imputation of sin, non Charge of it equals Justification, or God Justifieth. The word Justifieth above is the greek word dikaioō:

to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

So, God's non imputation or not charging of one is also His Declaring them Righteous or Just !

David writes Ps 32:2

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

The Hebrew word for imputeth is chashab :

to think, plan, esteem, calculate, invent, make a judgment, imagine, count

a) (Qal)

1) to think, account

2) to plan, devise, mean

3) to charge, impute, reckon

4) to esteem, value, regard


2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord chargeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. That means he is Righteous, to have no guile in his spirit speaks of the new birth !

Now Paul under New Covenant Teaching quotes David here Rom 4:7-8, and so this describes a Justified man, because by non imputation also equates to forgiveness of sins, yes all their lawless deeds, which is Justification.

With forgiveness comes vindication:

to clear, as from an accusation, imputation, suspicion, or the like

to afford justification for; justify

Now none of this is contingent upon anything the forgiven ones has done or believed.

You see forgiveness of sins is no different from Justification, its just another aspect or feature of it; One is not forgiven by the Blood without being at the same time Justified by it or vice versa, and non imputation of sins equals forgiveness of it, and that's why God does not charge those with it for whom Christ died because He was charged their iniquities and as the Prophet say: Isa 53:5

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6

 

[brightfame52]

nope ... I believe in my heart that God raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.

Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

oh my ... you have to rip Romans 10:9-10 out of your Bible because of your errant dogma.


I also believe that the Lord Jesus Christ ascended up into heaven and is now seated at the right Hand of God ... far above all principality, and power, and might and dominion and every name that is named not only in this world but also in that which is to come.

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The resurrection of Christ is the Divine Evidence that God accepted the sacrifice of His Son as it regarded the sins of them He was delivered for, that the sacrifice put away their sins, justified them before His Law and Justice. You flat out deny that ! Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

 

[brightfame52]

So? You think God forgot that when He wrote all the verses concerning justification through faith and that faith is not works?

Your continuous yammering about faith being "works" ... that's just you not believing Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

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If Christ died for a persons sins in 33 ad, put them away then, and that person is born in 1958 a sinner, has those sins he or she begins to commit already put away by Christ back in 33 ad ? Yes or no ?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

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Now none of this is contingent upon anything the forgiven ones has done or believed.

The only reason you come to this conclusion is because you continue to rip verses from context.

Romans 4:

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!


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[reneweddaybyday]

You flat out deny that ! Rom 4:25

Nope ... I do not deny Scripture. I deny your erroneous dogma.


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[reneweddaybyday]

If Christ died for a persons sins in 33 ad, put them away then, and that person is born in 1958 a sinner, has those sins he or she begins to commit already put away by Christ back in 33 ad ? Yes or no ?

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


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