's' no such thing as human freewill
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God wills IN US to do of His good pleasure. THAT'S what the bible says. Paul said he had no choice but to preach the gospel.
God does not force anyone, when He speaks we recognise the Father's voice and we obey.
When mama duck quacks her little chicks fly to her bosom ... most natural thing in the world .... the crows don't fly to her bosom.
God does not force anyone, when He speaks we recognise the Father's voice and we obey.
When mama duck quacks her little chicks fly to her bosom ... most natural thing in the world .... the crows don't fly to her bosom.
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You're pretty well rounded brother. I can see that. I find it quite helpful to read through these many threads. I don't know if its something in me lately - but I am finding some genuinely valuable insights - in fact its rather peculiar because I can see many of the points I have made myself in the past popping up and then seeing the way the poster handles the flack. Thats the benefit of learning from one another's walk. God Bless.
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numberless multitudes of good soul winning christians have a problem believing that BILLIONS of human souls will end up in eternal pain and sorrow. They feel in their guts that it can't be so.
But they can't see any alternative in scripture ... I can.
Many good soul winning christians find warning about hell difficult ... I don't, the wicked will go to hell. I find it easy to preach [although I don't major on that topic.] because I believe in a much wider mercy than most evangelicals teach.
But they can't see any alternative in scripture ... I can.
Many good soul winning christians find warning about hell difficult ... I don't, the wicked will go to hell. I find it easy to preach [although I don't major on that topic.] because I believe in a much wider mercy than most evangelicals teach.
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I guess I'll have to do a new blog, it will be full of contention because christians have believed [in my judgement of course] the wrong things for so many centuries.
The doctrine of the last judgement and eternal destinies was formed at the time when the [Catholic] church was working in cahoots with the Roman empire which was intent upon conquering the whole world. You were either Roman and christian or barbarian and certain scriptures were translated [by St Jerome] in that mind frame ... Many teachings of the so - called Fathers escaped the Reformation and have carried through to the Protestant church, like amillenialism and the future of the Jews. Eternal destinies is another.
The doctrine of the last judgement and eternal destinies was formed at the time when the [Catholic] church was working in cahoots with the Roman empire which was intent upon conquering the whole world. You were either Roman and christian or barbarian and certain scriptures were translated [by St Jerome] in that mind frame ... Many teachings of the so - called Fathers escaped the Reformation and have carried through to the Protestant church, like amillenialism and the future of the Jews. Eternal destinies is another.
"They can’t see any alternative in scripture. I can". Enlighten us ! Scripture and Verse. Please. You may be accountable for millions if not billions lost if you don’t share this secret revelation. Don’t want that for you . To be accountable for burying your talent in the earth. Where might I find the scripture or scriptures to validate this important revelation. What is this alternative you see , from what scripture(s) ?
Far be it for me to speak for another member - but @#49 in this thread @Evmur laid down a similar claim. So why don't we let him share freely in his own time and not try to corral him into a box. A secret revelation you say - secrets are for witches who are without hope if they do not repent - and children who are innocent and more fitted for the kingdom of heaven than many of us.
So to quote the brother @#49
I believe in what is called THE WIDER MERCY that is to say that a very great many more people will find mercy on that day than is commonly supposed by evangelical christians [I am evangelical] mebbe I'll make a blog post about it to show scripturally [for we must stick like glue to scripture] how certain doctrines concerning the last judgement can be understood differently to show that The Father's house will indeed be packed to the rafters and that the redeemed will be a vast multitude which even in heaven it will be impossible to count.
So to quote the brother @#49
I believe in what is called THE WIDER MERCY that is to say that a very great many more people will find mercy on that day than is commonly supposed by evangelical christians [I am evangelical] mebbe I'll make a blog post about it to show scripturally [for we must stick like glue to scripture] how certain doctrines concerning the last judgement can be understood differently to show that The Father's house will indeed be packed to the rafters and that the redeemed will be a vast multitude which even in heaven it will be impossible to count.
. OK that sheds a whole different light on things . Thanks for the reference Rhomphaeam. I checked it out. I was presuming this wider mercy was univeralism of some sort . I apologize for my comments regarding the wider mercy you believe in Evmur. I was mistaken as to the meaning of a wider mercy . I thought you were saying a more inclusive mercy rather than referring to the compassion and mercy of Christ that one might receive at the judgement of believers. Thanks again for the reference to #post 49 and the reference to Paul. I am definately on the same page with regard to the mercy of Christ and compassion I hope to receive at the judgement.[/QUOTE]