Question in story of noah.

[A-Sword-Cometh]

And you have shown how you misinterpreted it just now.

You are wrong again.

But i am saying if Jesus quoted Oral Tradition like it was Gospel then it was Gospel.
If Peter and Jude quote it as gospel pertaining to the angels from Enoch then it is Gospel.
So, what we read from Enoch and the angels turning into human to procreate with Women is GOSPEL!

Well, the problem here is that Jesus is not quoting the Oral Tradition of the Pharisees. In fact Jesus said to beware of these things. For evident reasons.

 

[Oblio]

Jude 14, 15.

 

[Magenta]

But i am saying if Jesus quoted Oral Tradition like it was Gospel then it was Gospel.
If Peter and Jude quote it as Gospel pertaining to the angels from Enoch then it is Gospel.
So, what we read from Enoch and the angels turning into human to procreate with Women is GOSPEL!

Gospel and Scripture, hmmm, isn't there a distinction?

Angels procreating with women against the wishes of God is not good news!

 

[Magenta]

You are wrong again.

Yes, your problem is you are so closed minded you cannot admit to being wrong.

Peter specifically says the prophets did not offer their private interpretations.

 

[Oblio]

I state my opinions. Feel free to state yours. If we can respect each other, then to me, it's all good.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Yes, your problem is you are so closed minded you cannot admit to being wrong.

Peter specifically says the prophets did not offer their private interpretations.

I'm pretty open-minded, but if I know the right answer it would be foolish to forsake it for the wrong answer.

Right, so none of the scriptures are open to interpretation, the books mean what they say, and then it is simply a matter of faith whether one believes what is written, or does not.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Well, the problem here is that Jesus is not quoting the Oral Tradition of the Pharisees. In fact Jesus said to beware of these things. For evident reasons.

And neither is Peter or Jude. they are quoting Oral Tradition but it is about what Enoch said of the angels. So, if Peter and Jude believe Enoch concerning angels impregnating human women, why should i disagree?

 

[Oblio]

Correction...Jude said, "14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” - Jude 14, 15
I've found the R.H. Charles translation of 1 Enoch to be the best.

 

[Magenta]

I'm pretty open-minded, but if I know the right answer it would be foolish to forsake it for the wrong answer.

Right, so none of the scriptures are open to interpretation, the books mean what they say, and then it is simply a matter of faith whether one believes what is written, or does not.

No, it is not simply a matter of faith, but in how line by line and precept by precept one puts things together to come to a conclusion on a matter. Men of faith come to vastly different conclusions. They are not all wrong if they disagree with the conclusion you have come to.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

And neither is Peter or Jude. they are quoting Oral Tradition but it is about what Enoch said of the angels. So, if Peter and Jude believe Enoch concerning angels impregnating human women, why should i disagree?

Well, you're ascribing to Peter and Jude that they quote the Pharisees, but they themselves do not say that they were quoting the Pharisees or any of their works.

A better way to look at it is that Genesis says that the angels fell and defiled themselves with women. Peter and Jude confirm this event, even showing plainly those angels are in hell and bound in chains of darkness and can do nothing until Judgement Day, and Paul also makes a connection to women's modesty and the angels. All of this can be ascertained without relying on forgeries that are not in the Bible for a good reason. Again, the Bible is sufficient for all study of this topic, and as another person pointed out, many others.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

No, it is not simply a matter of faith, but in how line by line and precept by precept one puts things together to come to a conclusion on a matter. Men of faith come to vastly different conclusions. They are not all wrong if they disagree with the conclusion you have come to.

Well, if one believes in the story the scriptures tell, and one believes also in the logic of precept upon precept and that the scriptures cannot be broken, then they should be able to arrive at the correct answer pretty easily.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Oblio,

Excellent Point!

Was Jude quoting Oral Tradition by also using Chapter and Verse?

 

[Magenta]

A better way to look at it is that Genesis says that the angels fell and defiled themselves with women.

Scripture does not say that. That is how some interpret what Scripture actually says.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Well, you're ascribing to Peter and Jude that they quote the Pharisees, but they themselves do not say that they were quoting the Pharisees or any of their works.

A better way to look at it is that Genesis says that the angels fell and defiled themselves with women. Peter and Jude confirm this event, even showing plainly those angels are in hell and bound in chains of darkness and can do nothing until Judgement Day, and Paul also makes a connection to women's modesty and the angels. All of this can be ascertained without relying on forgeries that are not in the Bible for a good reason. Again, the Bible is sufficient for all study of this topic, and as another person pointed out, many others.

No I am not!

The Oral Tradition included what the Fallen Watchmen/Angels did!

 

[Magenta]

Well, if one believes in the story the scriptures tell, and one believes also in the logic of precept upon precept and that the scriptures cannot be broken, then they should be able to arrive at the correct answer pretty easily.

And they are wrong if they come to a different understanding than yours. Got it.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Scripture does not say that. That is how some interpret what Scripture actually says.

The scripture says in three places that the first round of angels fell. In one place it draws a connection to women's modesty and the angels. And for a bonus there is one prophecy that a second round of angels will fall near the end of world.

 

[Oblio]

Oblio,

Excellent Point!

Was Jude quoting Oral Tradition by also using chapter and Verse?

I erred when I said that Jude quoted the address. As I corrected. As I understand, there were no addresses originally. Sorry about the confusion. As far as Enoch being an oral tradition, it's been awhile and I'm fuzzy on that.

 

[Magenta]

The scripture says in three places that the first round of angels fell. In one place it draws a connection to women's modesty and the angels. And for a bonus there is one prophecy that a second round of angels will fall near the end of world.

So? It does not say angels had sex with women, yet that is EXACTLY how you interpret what is said.

It does not say the Nephilim were the offspring of these unholy unions, either.

 

[Oblio]

I'm pretty tired so I'll bow out. Shalom.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

No I am not!

The Oral Tradition included what the Fallen Watchmen/Angels did!

Well, the Oral Tradition of Pharisees is at best of no merit whatsoever.